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On another note, I did enjoy that Skinner completely stonewalled Hertl on several glorious chances
Split second isn't about justifying its about explaining what real players are facing in real time in the sport of hockey when they see their net being completely vacated. I've seen players slide right into the net in that situation many times, bringing the puck with them, into their own goal. I've seen this own goal deflection several times. Whats rarer is to see it in an ENTIRELY empty net.People keep bringing up this "split second decision" like it justifies the own goal. Im sorry, but if the split second decision is to put the puck in my own net, or do literally anything else, I'm picking the latter every time. Let it go through, even if they score, well atleast it wasn't a f***ing own goal.
I'm talking about starting Rodrigue. I don't see how you can dismiss that possibility. Rodrigue is at least a relative unknown. Skinner is well-established as not belonging in the NHLIsn't it as simple as Pickard being injured?
No mention of McD anywhere here being -2 and as bad and ask yourself what McD is even doing on the GA.No, the reason he was in that position is because the whole team gave up with 15 seconds left. This has happened multiple times when pushing McDrai to get a win late, rather than playing it safe, playing til the clock hits 0.0 and getting to OT. Nobody on the ice in those last 15 seconds is without some blame.
Draisaitl had one of his worst games of his career, before the own goal even. He is a bigger catalyst to our teams success than Skinner. He's paid to never have these games, Skinner is paid to hopefully give us a fighting chance and he kept us in it til the end. People like to bitch that the team needs to play "perfect" to win, well ya, when you nerf your goaltending by spending so little and choose to instead invest in forwards and D, that is to be expected. Problem is, this team is playing nowhere close to perfect and frankly it's the big guys who are failing to pull their weight for long stretches of play despite getting some points. Dumb turnovers by Leon, horrid line changes, refusal for Connor to shoot for 90% of the game, those are bigger reasons we lost the game than any 1 guy on the last play.
Skinner sucks and even the players know it as some here like to say? Well why aren't they playing like they know they have to be better in front of him? Are they weak mentally too? like some accuse Skinner of, and just admitting defeat because their preferred tender isn't in net? If so, doesn't sound like a team ready for a cup imo.
I'm no Skinner defender, I wanted an upgrade at the deadline. But it's really annoying seeing everything blamed on him when the team shits the bed at glorious opportunities.
I think it was going wide because Smith changed his blade angle expecting Skinner would keep pushing lateral with him. That said there is no way for Drai to react to knowing if it’s on net or not. He had less than 200ms between the time the puck was released and the time it hit his stick.Maybe it’s just me but that puck wasn’t going wide btw. It was going just inside the far post. Smith beat Skinner wide and shot it well before the goal line.
We can criticize skinners play without resorting to this nonsense and personal attacks , are you a medical professional lol.Let just call it what it is. Guy is a narcissist.
I still can’t believe there are Oiler fans on social media saying Skinner played GWG well.![]()
Mcdavid defensively has been disappointing this playoff. Both him and Drai needs to be better.No mention of McD anywhere here being -2 and as bad and ask yourself what McD is even doing on the GA.
Drai as a center is in the shithole position of trying to desperately prevent a goal on his goal line while the goalie has completely vacated cage. Talk to any footballer, and football is conceptually similar to Hockey is the least favorite situation ever, for any defender is being left alone on the goal line with a shot coming. Its no mans land.
We should be thankful Drai is the kind of player that will even come back to goal line to try to save day instead of burying him.
So many takes in this are dense. The shot actually was taken above the goal line From freeze frames I'm guessing it was as much as 12inches from goal line. the puck had a conceivable path to net. Only the shooter knows. For a defender its impossible in that instant second to know whether the puck is going wide or whether its a pass to Karlsson. In anycase the puck being there represents extreme danger.
Take hindsight and emotion out. What is the proper reaction to a shooter in the slot?
I mean, I could point out McDavids -2, but he was actually -1 so Id look like a bit of an idiot. I said everyone on the ice was at fault there, and your gotcha is to say I didn't mention Mcdavid specifically in the final goal? I also alluded to him being trash for stretches, along with Drai. Overall, Drai looked worse last night. Can you admit any fault in 29's game last night? I think not, because you find your guys to hate and love and never abandon those feelings. You old guys do that a lot.No mention of McD anywhere here being -2 and as bad and ask yourself what McD is even doing on the GA.
Drai as a center is in the shithole position of trying to desperately prevent a goal on his goal line while the goalie has completely vacated cage. Talk to any footballer, and football is conceptually similar to Hockey is the least favorite situation ever, for any defender is being left alone on the goal line with a shot coming. Its no mans land.
We should be thankful Drai is the kind of player that will even come back to goal line to try to save day instead of burying him.
So many takes in this are dense. The shot actually was taken above the goal line From freeze frames I'm guessing it was as much as 12inches from goal line. the puck had a conceivable path to net. Only the shooter knows. For a defender its impossible in that instant second to know whether the puck is going wide or whether its a pass to Karlsson. In anycase the puck being there represents extreme danger.
Maybe it’s just me but that puck wasn’t going wide btw. It was going just inside the far post. Smith beat Skinner wide and shot it well before the goal line.
You can add me to that list lol Skinner is straight up trash
I dunno… watching the replay and judging from the corpses in the center of the slot, he would have had a pretty clear look at the net with angles at goal on both sides of Skinner. Have a look again and see if you agree (based on where he stepped around Nurse and McD. .Agree on most points, that last one though he gambled on a strong challenge and lost when there was no reason to. He just had to maintain position and track and close up the short side. There would be no real shot for the shooter at that point.
Your issue is McD and Drai the best players on this club and the only reason to watch while absolving Skinner who is a clown. You tie this in with something blame old people.I mean, I could point out McDavids -2, but he was actually -1 so Id look like a bit of an idiot. I said everyone on the ice was at fault there, and your gotcha is to say I didn't mention Mcdavid specifically in the final goal? I also alluded to him being trash for stretches, along with Drai. Overall, Drai looked worse last night. Can you admit any fault in 29's game last night? I think not, because you find your guys to hate and love and never abandon those feelings. You old guys do that a lot.
Idk why you are on about the last goal, I didn't place blame for that on anyone in that post. My issue is with the big fwds for long stretches of the game up until that point, and even going into last game. 29 and 97 both.
But isn’t this the issue? The guy doesn’t think there’s anything to clean up. At least that hasn’t been evident in any interview I’ve ever seen him give.Not that I agree with Skinner but with goalies a lot is their mental state. I don't think a good attitude for him would be a "well I tried my best..." or to be down on himself. I even will agree with him in that he had some good saves leading up to McDavid tieing the game.
He's probably in net again next game so I'd prefer he take an attitude of trying to build off of what went right last time and then cleaning up what went wrong as best he can. I don't see how taking blame for the loss will make things better
On first frame the point is in real time, in real game action one cannot know that the puck ISN'T going in or that its not possible (it was) in brief glance it would be impossible for Drai to know that the puck is trajectory wide. Reilly released the shot around 12 inches above goal line. Drais own cognitive bias would be knowing that he could score from there. Drai does instinctively what any player would. Tries to swipe the puck away.View attachment 1033882
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Craziest part about this actually actually now that I've watched it a few dozen times, Draisaitl could've absolutely let this go. Look at Karlsson, he's not getting jack shit on that pass.
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Not to overlook Skinner here either. So in this picture, Stuart Skinner has begun moving after the fake shot from Smith. One problem, in the frame before, Skinner doesn't move quick enough to get his feet and body set to the original shot that ended up being faked. The result is what you see below.
Firstly, he's out of position. The yellow line here matches the goalie's centre of mass with the centre of the goal. Ideally, you'd like for the puck or at least the shooter's eyes to be in line with the yellow. Skinner's body is about 2 feet behind Smith and 4 feet behind the puck. What this causes is when Skinner has to butterfly slide he's not square to the net, so instead of taking the ideal (blue) route, he pushes along the red line which exposes the crease. This is all literally caused by Skinner not getting set for the original opportunity.
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This is what people need to start clueing in to.skinner still has a lot of supporters. None of them are oilers fans
Great post! Skinner isn't good at math either.But isn’t this the issue? The guy doesn’t think there’s anything to clean up. At least that hasn’t been evident in any interview I’ve ever seen him give.
Issues with talent have never been personal with me until Stu came along. I can tolerate and even respect a guy who sucks at hockey and will at least admit he has areas he needs to work on. Stu never does that. How telling is it that he refers to the rest of the team as “them”, when he says he gave them a chance to win? That’s not a misspoken word or an issue of semantics, that’s a guy who is clearly laying the blame on his teammates while taking no issue with his own play. When has McD or Drai or Pickard or anyone else ever not spoken of the team as a collective?
He’s untouchable and beyond criticism, both in his own mind and in the eyes of the local press, and it drives people up the wall. A positive attitude is important for sure, but you also have to be honest with yourself. That’s what missing here. He’ll never improve because he’s too arrogant to see any of his own weaknesses.
The angle wasn’t great in the first place. You don’t need to come out 20 feet.Drai tipped it in
Skinner cut off the angle and forced a Hail Mary crossing pass that was clearly going wide but for drai’s brain fart
On first frame the point is in real time, in real game action one cannot know that the puck ISN'T going in or that its not possible (it was) in brief glance it would be impossible for Drai to know that the puck is trajectory wide. Reilly released the shot around 12 inches above goal line. Drais own cognitive bias would be knowing that he could score from there. Drai does instinctively what any player would. Tries to swipe the puck away.
The puck could also bounce in off either Karlsson or Skinner, or Drai himself. Nobody knows in that moment how much time is left on the clock. Human cognition would maybe narrow it down to within a few seconds. Certainly not fractions of seconds.
nice breakdown overall though.
skinner still has a lot of supporters. None of them are oilers fans
Everything conspired on Drai there. The curvature of his blade, the fact that he could've scored on that shot from that angle and that being his cognition. Feel sorry for the guy. Own goals like that can be awful. I've mentioned football several times in discussion. You could be the best defender on the planet but if the ball is coming at you on the line and your goalie has vacated its the single worst hell. Its the play all defenders, no matter how good they are have nightmares of in Football. Seen so many top defenders kick ball right in their own net. I've done it too.Agreed, it's probably too much to expect Draisaitl to not make an instinctual reaction to the play.
I guess from my standpoint, even if Skinner played that perfectly, I don't exactly love a forward (or defence) intercepting a puck with a blade turned perpendicular to the net within 4 or 6 feet of the goal mouth; but any other play would've not been remotely instinctual to a forward.
I actually joked with my dad last night that we probably go to OT if Nurse is there instead of Drai because he'd probably just dive into the post sealing off that side lmao.