Post-Game Talk: Literally shooting yourself in the foot

[Mr Positive]

Someone posted a link to a Wikipedia page describing toxic positivity. Fits Stu to a T. If you can’t criticize your own game, you’re doomed to never improve. Hell, that applies to everyday life. I f*** up at work, I say I f***ed up.

I didn't get that vibe from his post game, not like the comments from Campbell anyway, in how he was really affected by his mental state. There isn't too much to assume from his comments tbh. He was mostly talking about the team in general with him in it, and he didn't blame it on nerves or it being his first game in a while. Even his comment on him giving the team a chance to win could be taken different ways, and I didn't take it to mean that he thinks he did great and the team did bad. He likely meant it in a way that he gave the team a chance to win, and the skaters did too, and that it ultimately came down to which team got the bounces. He even gave a ton of props to Pickard, so it's implied that Pickard was a bit better than him.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Last game went to OT. Before OT Pickard made a late save and the rebound was directed wide. Use some common sense here

Here's some common sense: one goalie has significantly worse numbers than the other (and pretty much any other goalie in the playoffs) and the team has literally only lost with him in net. A goalie that, by your own admission, failed to stop two goals that he should have stopped. What is the score if he stops those two shots? You can myopically isolate every play you want in order to deflect from the bigger picture, but your failure to acknowledge what is patently obvious is why you aren't taken seriously on this board.

 

[McShogun99]

I didn't see Knob's presser but did he blame the refs for not calling the slash that knocked Mcdavid's stick out of his hand around 1:30 left in the 3rd? Refs call that penalty and the winning goal doesn't happen. If Vegas can play that game then why can't Edmonton.

 

[onetweasy]

Oh yeah? Tell me how the final goal was all Skinner's fault?
I happen to think he sucks and was a complete goof on the first goal but please tell me how I'm blind for seeing that the final goal was a total team failure?

You can’t see why he is to blame…..well maybe the fact that we can’t see him in this screenshot is a bit of a problem.

He grossly overplays the puck at a time when he should just sit in his net and soak up whatever was coming his way with 1 second left.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Skinner did 2 things that you are taught to do from the time you put on .

#1.Step out to face the shot
#2. Play to the whistle.

A million ppl and our 2 dmen ignored #2.

Hilarious to see how many ppl.change the narrative cuz of emotions

He did not "step out to face the shot". Not even close. When you do that you remain on your feet so you can push off left to right if need be. He went on his knees well before the shot was taken and then hit pure panic mode, pushing off his right skate like a warm up exercise pre game (Ryan Whitneys words). You can only move so fast doing that, and Smith simply went around him and shot for the now empty cage. Skinner would up ***past the trapezoid marker***. NO goalie does that EVER.

Skinner also said he lost track of how much time was left.

Yes, the rest of the players forgot you play to the whistle, however Skinner misplayed that so badly as to be simply laughable. His play on that goal is indefensible full stop.

He let in 4 stoppable shots last night, 2 were not even scoring chances.

He needs to be shot into the sun.

 

[Dhockey16]

It can't just be fans who don't want Skinner to start game 4. There has to be players on the team and people in management who feel the same way. And yet it's almost certain they're going to start him. Is there an insider on this board who can explain the thinking? It's just so obviously the wrong decision to let this guy start another game in net.

 

[soothsayer]

It can't just be fans who don't want Skinner to start game 4. There has to be players on the team and people in management who feel the same way. And yet it's almost certain they're going to start him. Is there an insider on this board who can explain the thinking? It's just so obviously the wrong decision to let this guy start another game in net.

Isn't it as simple as Pickard being injured?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

So you agree Smith missed his shot despite Skinner leaving enough room for him to put it in

sure
do you agree Skinner made the angle harder for Smith to get a clean shot on the net?

 

[Gopper]

It can't just be fans who don't want Skinner to start game 4. There has to be players on the team and people in management who feel the same way. And yet it's almost certain they're going to start him. Is there an insider on this board who can explain the thinking? It's just so obviously the wrong decision to let this guy start another game in net.

If Pickard is hurt, he's their best option. Rodrigues is not better than Skinner. The Oilers could have won last night, even with Skinner in net.

 

[suddeninterest]

Uh oh chat, I think we might be cooked

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Ya I don’t know that your top player shouldn’t tip in a shot that was clearly going wide

But yes let’s all be simple minded morons and yell

Derp bLaMe sKiNnEr

Did I say Drai isn’t to blame at all?

Skinner and Drai are to blame. Simple minded moron.

 

[Oilhawks]

It can't just be fans who don't want Skinner to start game 4. There has to be players on the team and people in management who feel the same way. And yet it's almost certain they're going to start him. Is there an insider on this board who can explain the thinking? It's just so obviously the wrong decision to let this guy start another game in net.

The best rumour going around is that Dustin Schwartz (the Oilers goalie coach since forever even despite constant failures) is banging Katz niece or something. And how that relates to Skinner is that Skinner is Schwartz “boy” (been coaching him forever) and with Schwartz teflon status in the org, whatever he says, goes.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The best rumour going around is that Dustin Schwartz (the Oilers goalie coach since forever even despite constant failures) is banging Katz niece or something. And how that relates to Skinner is that Skinner is Schwartz “boy” (been coaching him forever) and with Schwartz teflon status in the org, whatever he says, goes.

Not being fired for recommending Campbell is mind boggling. But I guess Holland couldn’t can him because his son seconded the recommendation or do the story goes. Thought Jackson would tie the can around him last summer but he was too busy signing another useless Skinner.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Things were looking so good man. Feels like we’re cursed sometimes.

Everyone went pretty easy on him but watch the Hertl clip.. he doesn’t get pushed into Pickard. Vegas intentionally injured our goalie and nobody should be surprised. Same shit happened to Toronto.

So frustrating being an Oilers fan. 3 playoffs in a row, soon to be 4, where all I can think is “surely management realizes we need at least an AVERAGE goalie”.

Will they get a decent goalie next year? Or will it be 5 years in a row where we are held back by the same predictable weakness? How the f*** does McDavid feel? I hate to say it but I’d be reluctant to sign that contract that they’re gonna put in front of him in a couple months..

 

[Jarvi]

I think its perfectly fair to lay blame on the guy that has a 5.37 gaa and .818 sv% this year and a career 3.03/.888% over the Hart candidate who was scrambling to cover for his wildly out of position goalie.

Yes, if Leon simply took a knee that puck doesn't go in. The only reason he was in that position in the first place is because he was desperately trying to cover for skinner who misjudged the time left on the clock and overplayed the shooter.

No, the reason he was in that position is because the whole team gave up with 15 seconds left. This has happened multiple times when pushing McDrai to get a win late, rather than playing it safe, playing til the clock hits 0.0 and getting to OT. Nobody on the ice in those last 15 seconds is without some blame.

Draisaitl had one of his worst games of his career, before the own goal even. He is a bigger catalyst to our teams success than Skinner. He's paid to never have these games, Skinner is paid to hopefully give us a fighting chance and he kept us in it til the end. People like to bitch that the team needs to play "perfect" to win, well ya, when you nerf your goaltending by spending so little and choose to instead invest in forwards and D, that is to be expected. Problem is, this team is playing nowhere close to perfect and frankly it's the big guys who are failing to pull their weight for long stretches of play despite getting some points. Dumb turnovers by Leon, horrid line changes, refusal for Connor to shoot for 90% of the game, those are bigger reasons we lost the game than any 1 guy on the last play.

Skinner sucks and even the players know it as some here like to say? Well why aren't they playing like they know they have to be better in front of him? Are they weak mentally too? like some accuse Skinner of, and just admitting defeat because their preferred tender isn't in net? If so, doesn't sound like a team ready for a cup imo.

I'm no Skinner defender, I wanted an upgrade at the deadline. But it's really annoying seeing everything blamed on him when the team shits the bed at glorious opportunities.

 

[McFlyingV]

sure
do you agree Skinner made the angle harder for Smith to get a clean shot on the net?

Yeah of course, but he abandoned his net in the process leaving Draisaitl to make a split second decision on a puck thrown toward a gaping net. I’d applaud skinner if he kept pushing to his right and sealed off any attempt toward the net but instead he lunged out before he even sealed that off.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Why do you think people have these emotions? You’re ignoring years of evidence.

No. I'm not ignoring it. I stated several times that I don't think Stu is a good goalie, nor am I defending him as one.

Unfortunately posters like @MessierThanThou exist who constantly take someone's words and put them into a different context.

I'm dissecting a single play and leaving history and emotion out

 

[McHelpus]

Uh oh chat, I think we might be cooked

I hope this management is happy. They should have upgraded him when they had the chance. Vitek Vanecek is even better than Skinner tbh

 

[Louis Cypher]

You can’t see why he is to blame…..well maybe the fact that we can’t see him in this screenshot is a bit of a problem.

He grossly overplays the puck at a time when he should just sit in his net and soak up whatever was coming his way with 1 second left.

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Stu's already off the showers. Needs to get ready for the media so he can tell them he kept the team in it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It can't just be fans who don't want Skinner to start game 4. There has to be players on the team and people in management who feel the same way. And yet it's almost certain they're going to start him. Is there an insider on this board who can explain the thinking? It's just so obviously the wrong decision to let this guy start another game in net.

Just look at Corey Perry expression in games where Skinner is in net vs Pickard. the whole club is happier, more confident, more moxy, when Pickard is in net. Look at the players, look at McD shaking his head in disgust after the first goal. the players aren't even keeping poker faces or tight lips about this anymore. Tehy are showing their reactions and SPEAKING it as well.

Hyman was back to looking like grumpy Al before the game. Last time he looked that way Skinner was starting game 2 in LA series.

 

[MessierThanThou]

No. I'm not ignoring it. I stated several times that I don't think Stu is a good goalie, nor am I defending him as one.

Unfortunately posters like @MessierThanThou exist who constantly take someone's words and put them into a different context.

I'm dissecting a single play and leaving history and emotion out

The fact that you keep randomly tagging me, as if you haven't already made me laugh enough today, and still go on insane tangents against me, is a pretty good indication that you struggle with leaving out "emotion" in your posts.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Take hindsight and emotion out. What is the proper reaction to a shooter in the slot?

You don’t just abandon the net because a player skates into the slot though.

 

[Jarvi]

Yeah of course, but he abandoned his net in the process leaving Draisaitl to make a split second decision on a puck thrown toward a gaping net. I’d applaud skinner if he kept pushing to his right and sealed off any attempt toward the net but instead he lunged out before he even sealed that off.

People keep bringing up this "split second decision" like it justifies the own goal. Im sorry, but if the split second decision is to put the puck in my own net, or do literally anything else, I'm picking the latter every time. Let it go through, even if they score, well atleast it wasn't a f***ing own goal.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You don’t just abandon the net because a player skates into the slot though.

If goalies did hockey scores would be around 18-15....

 

[McFlyingV]

People keep bringing up this "split second decision" like it justifies the own goal. Im sorry, but if the split second decision is to put the puck in my own net, or do literally anything else, I'm picking the latter every time. Let it go through, even if they score, well atleast it wasn't a f***ing own goal.

Right you see a wide open net behind your goalie and you put your stick in the area to cover it and you have what 2 or 3 tenths of a second to decide to lift your stick or try to block the puck. I’m sure you would have done differently. Hilarious to think that wouldn’t be everyone’s instinct