Post-Game Talk: Literally shooting yourself in the foot

[Drivesaitl]

You’re not serious are you? How’s he supposed to know that?

Stu is at the trapezoid swimming so there is a wide open cage and a Vegas player is open netside. Sticks in lanes is what is grilled into players.

If Stu is playing goal vs doing his warm up exercises 8 feet away from the net there is no scoring chance.

This is the thing. People will watch a play 5 times and determine somehow that Drai shouldn't do that, should know the puck isn't going in, should no the exact time on the clock to tenths of secs, should know that at that exact moment Pluto and Jupiter are aligned.

jebus people, when watching replays please realize the game is played in real time, with no slow motion and no replay 10X to get it right. lol

Drai is doing what any responsible player would do there. Trying to sweep a puck out of harms way that could either be going in or could be a pass to Karlsson standing right there. Due to the nature of a puck, and sticks random deflections can occur that are other than whats expected. Again every great player in the game has had a play like this. That Drai is even there in that position vacated by the goalie trying to save the day is a reflection on his character I guess it would be better if Drai wasn't even in the frame? That would mean he's dogging it watching the goal not moving his legs..

 

[BlackDogg]

"Happens to everybody" - Skinner

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

"Happens to everybody" - Skinner

Yeah in beer leagues lol

 

[Oilhawks]

Yeh it's good to have self confidence but Skinner just pisses me off when he opens his mouth.

It comes across as gaslighting himself due to lack of real confidence. Would be sad if it wasn’t so infuriating

 

[Drivesaitl]

Play pond hockey up 2-0, goalie can't bail them out, team deflates.

Also, I have never seen an Oilers team losing as many board battles as these guys. Three against one and the opponent will routinely come out with the puck on his stick and make a play.

It's my biggest pet peeve with their game. It's infuriating.

Pond hockey? Did you even watch the game? The Knights had like 2 scoring chances and scored on both in their first two goals. At that point the OIlers were back to the mindset that they need 5 goals minimum because Stu is in net.

Further the Oilers as a team are pretty good at board battles. But they're playing a team that is topnotch at that aspect of the game. Vegas don't even survive as a team if they are not great at NZ and board battles. Its the DNA of that team. Imagine them actually being good at that aspect. Its the playoffs, its the division final, the opponent will have certain aspects that they are good at. Doesn't mean the Oilers are shitty at board battles we practically own the puck in a lot of games. Just not last night.

 

[BlackDogg]

Yeah in beer leagues lol

His post game scrum interview was trying to shed a positive light on his shit play, when most goalies would be seething at themselves.
I think he has a mental delusions of grandeur syndrome of some sort.

 

[Frank Drebin]

"Happens to everybody" - Skinner

He must have been hard on himself in a previous life and vowed to never hold himself accountable again

 

[fresh meat]

You don’t know hockey.

It’s insane. I have no other word for it. It happens over and over and over and over and over again for three years and people still defend him.

 

[bucks_oil]

Dubnyk summed up Skinners game exactly how I saw it as well. First goal was terrible, no reason for that to have been a rebound or him to be that deep and falling backwards. Second goal was also crap, my 13 year old wouldn’t have went down that quickly and opened up like the Grand Canyon at the first move. Third goal was stoppable and a good goalie makes that save but that’s not 100 percent on him. Fourth goal is the only one that he takes the least amount of blame for, for the exact reasons Dubnyk explained, just boneheaded plays by all skaters on the ice.

Haha… love it.

Carbon copy (but much more succinct) than my post above.

I’m not at all surprised Dubnyk saw it that way. Goalies gonna goalie… and one of the things we do is analyze (hyperanalyze) every goal against… that’s how you get better.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I can't tell you that and neither can you. All you can do is assume. You can assume Pickard makes one of those saves but who's to say he doesn't let in one of the ones Skinner did save?

In no way am saying I want Skinner in net over Pickard and if you want to put the entirety of this loss on Skinner to make yourself feel better, go for it. The bottom line is as a team we need to play better than this no matter who is in nets to advance, plain and simple.

Chances are, even if Pickard is ok and can play Monday and we do manage to get by Vegas and move on, Skinner is going to probably be in net at some point again. Pickard has been a career backup and isn't use to playing the amount of games we want and need him to play. He may need a rest and when that time comes and Skinner is back in the team needs to play even harder in front of him. These are professional athletes and should be playing their top game in the playoffs no matter who is in nets.

Two goalies playing on the same club:

Pickard 28-11 record this season and playoffs

Skinner 26-25 record this season and playoffs

Nothing to see here folks, its all the same, theres no difference in win probability its just all illusion and assumption.

I think your point was some logical adjunct, your point is ignoring the forest of evidence.

Pickard 6-0 in playoffs. "He may need a rest" Thats conjecture.

Finally have you considered that this is Skinners top game? Skinner invariably lets in one or two bad goals in a significant amount of the games he plays. We're not even IN the playoffs if .500 Skinner had started all our games.

 

[BlackDogg]

I hate this guy.

WOW that quote is brutal.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Dubnyk summed up Skinners game exactly how I saw it as well. First goal was terrible, no reason for that to have been a rebound or him to be that deep and falling backwards. Second goal was also crap, my 13 year old wouldn’t have went down that quickly and opened up like the Grand Canyon at the first move. Third goal was stoppable and a good goalie makes that save but that’s not 100 percent on him. Fourth goal is the only one that he takes the least amount of blame for, for the exact reasons Dubnyk explained, just boneheaded plays by all skaters on the ice.

That first goal was insane like wtf was he even doing flipping around and flopping on a shot to his chest? Took himself out of position and gave up a bad rebound . Just bad goaltending period

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

In no way am I supporting Skinner but this is a copout response. We knew Vegas was going to come out strong this game and we didn't match their intensity. We got the early lead and then we let them play their game. They pressured our D hard and our forwards did a poor job supporting them. We really needed to tighten up but we kept playing loose. The amount of giveaways by us this game was atrocious! We really deserved to lose that game!
The last goal was a comedy of errors on all our players on the ice. Why would Drai make that play on Karlsson with so little time on the clock, just clog up the neutral zone and he probably dumps the puck. We easily let Karlsson skate in and have 4 guys just puck watching and no one looking for an extra man coming in. Nurse does his sleeping man and takes himself out of the play. McDavid tries to copy Nurse. Skinner does what Skinner does and Drai decides to put the cherry on top of all that.
People seem to forget that we are playing against Vegas's version of Skinner. Hill isn't that good and we should be scoring on him more than we are, just get more shots on him! Hopefully this is a wake up call for our team and they come out strong next game and play a full 60 minutes. No reason we can't go up 3-1 after Monday night

It’s not remotely a cop out the first goal was a true amateur hour as well. Not to mention the massive five hole with poor lateral movement on the second

 

[BlackDogg]

Why was drai playing goalie mark?

 

[Drivesaitl]

And if they win, guess who'll be celebrating first? #ToxicAttirude

I said the same thing after game 2 last round, that we're coming back, and took alot heat, again, from the same posters that post immediately after a win. Here we are round 2. Now, after one loss, its all doom and gloom again

Terrible attributes as a sports fan. See ya'll in round 3, where you'll have amnesia about doubting this team after one loss following a 6 game winning streak, and celebrate when we win, and lambast when we lose. What a shame

Lets go Oilers, game 4, Stu will come through

Any team with McD and Drai and weapons like Booch is dangerous and hard to contain. Sure we came back against LA. We needed a miracle goal with 28secs left to pull one of the games out, then winning in OT. We got tons of breaks in the LA series and could've lost every one of the games in the series. The only game in the series that wasn't close, and on a dime, was the Kings 6-2 W.

The Oilers coming from behind 6X in a row isn't generally an established great path to winning. Its riding some awesome luck like last night where they just throw a puck across ice with only 3mins left (and nothing going) and it magically goes in off an opponents skate. Like perfectly directed in net like the puck had eyes.

Replay several of these games and the results are different. The Oilers have been outplayed in this series in games 2 and 3. Its not a good trend to go in expecting last second magic and third periods to win every game.

Doesn't really have reflection on fans to point out some frustration in this, its more to do with following the club and some of the flaws in how they do things. The Oilers had the PERFECT chance last night to close out a series in front of home fans taking a commanding 3-0 lead in series. But somehow they get two bad goals that goalies should be able to stop, they start thinking its easy again, and Vegas outplay OIlers for the next 50mins. In a crucially important game.

This game was frankly awful for the fans in attendance. the Oilers played arguably their worst game of the playoffs. It was dismal outing with 12 shots in two periods. Fair comment that the Oilers weren't good last night. Thats a reflection on the team and not necessarily the fans following them through thick and thin.

 

[TheMustardTiger]

Two goalies playing on the same club:

Pickard 28-11 record this season and playoffs

Skinner 26-25 record this season and playoffs

Nothing to see here folks, its all the same, theres no difference in win probability its just all illusion and assumption.

I think your point was some logical adjunct, your point is ignoring the forest of evidence.

Pickard 6-0 in playoffs. "He may need a rest" Thats conjecture.

Finally have you considered that this is Skinners top game? Skinner invariably lets in one or two bad goals in a significant amount of the games he plays. We're not even IN the playoffs if .500 Skinner had started all our games.

That's not what I am saying. Picard is the better goalie over Skinner no question, Skinner has been a total bum. But to just say with Pickard in net we easily win that game is a joke. That discounts our poor play and the infinite amount of giveaways we had. We need to play better than we have the last 2 games.
I honestly think if we would have played the game like we did in game 1, we would have got the win last night in spite of Skinner being in net.

 

[1981 Oilers]

Beyond a doubt, we know Skinner is not the guy. Not now, not next year. We don't win the series with him.
Hoping this lights a spark in Drai because he's been pedestrian at best for him.
Good time for some roster changes. Stetcher for Emberson. J. Skinner? I would take out Ardvisson, it's funny watching him fall but can't stand his play. Janmark? Two half hearted stick checks in his own zone led to goals.

Is Stetcher gtg? I would be all up for him coming in

 

[frag2]

His post game scrum interview was trying to shed a positive light on his shit play, when most goalies would be seething at themselves.
I think he has a mental delusions of grandeur syndrome of some sort.

Let just call it what it is. Guy is a narcissist.

I still can’t believe there are Oiler fans on social media saying Skinner played GWG well.

 

[McBigYak]

This is the thing. People will watch a play 5 times and determine somehow that Drai shouldn't do that, should know the puck isn't going in, should no the exact time on the clock to tenths of secs, should know that at that exact moment Pluto and Jupiter are aligned.

jebus people, when watching replays please realize the game is played in real time, with no slow motion and no replay 10X to get it right. lol

Drai is doing what any responsible player would do there. Trying to sweep a puck out of harms way that could either be going in or could be a pass to Karlsson standing right there. Due to the nature of a puck, and sticks random deflections can occur that are other than whats expected. Again every great player in the game has had a play like this. That Drai is even there in that position vacated by the goalie trying to save the day is a reflection on his character I guess it would be better if Drai wasn't even in the frame? That would mean he's dogging it watching the goal not moving his legs..

Yeah that is the thing. That puck whips by the net and Draisaitl probably has a tenth of a second to react. Literally impossible for anyone's brain to process the danger of that situation.

He had a rough night, and that was pretty much the cherry on top, but it is not his fault whatsoever.

Skinner even does a reasonable job at getting the player wide but overcommits and ends up in no mans land.

The true culprit of that play is just letting the play happen at all. That puck never should have gotten to the front of the net. There was 1 Knight and 4 Oilers.

 

[frag2]

Why was drai playing goalie mark?

Spec should have his media pass revoked and his Twitter login forever locked.

Guy does nothing but farm for engagement because he knows shitting on Oilers = engagement. He should just pay for Twitter blue (or whatever it’s called now) and he’ll make a killing grifting

 

[Gopper]

Why was drai playing goalie mark?

I'm so tired of these Skinner defenses. I agree that the players on the ice made some stupid decisions. But all Skinner had to do was play to the post. Literally it and the game goes into overtime. Why are you making that play with a second left? And goal 1 and 2, sorry there no excuses for those either.

The Oilers will start every game down with him in net.

 

[The Nuge]

This is the thing. People will watch a play 5 times and determine somehow that Drai shouldn't do that, should know the puck isn't going in, should no the exact time on the clock to tenths of secs, should know that at that exact moment Pluto and Jupiter are aligned.

jebus people, when watching replays please realize the game is played in real time, with no slow motion and no replay 10X to get it right. lol

Drai is doing what any responsible player would do there. Trying to sweep a puck out of harms way that could either be going in or could be a pass to Karlsson standing right there. Due to the nature of a puck, and sticks random deflections can occur that are other than whats expected. Again every great player in the game has had a play like this. That Drai is even there in that position vacated by the goalie trying to save the day is a reflection on his character I guess it would be better if Drai wasn't even in the frame? That would mean he's dogging it watching the goal not moving his legs..

Exactly. It’s ridiculous to blame Drai for trying to play goal when Skinner has inexplicably left the crease with 2 seconds left in the game

 

[Heavy Dee]

What I don't think is being discussed enough is how Knoblauch made the exact same mistake he made against LA in game 1.

Heavy minutes in the third for McDavid and Draisaitl for a push to tie. Get the tying goal late and rather than play for OT, he keeps them out when they are dead tired and they get scored on.

Just brain dead coaching.

 

[soothsayer]

Why was drai playing goalie mark?

I still maintain the mistake here was his commitment to the shot that Smith never took. He probably thought there wasn't enough time for Smith to go around him, and that he would have to shoot. If Smith takes that shot, it probably hits Skinner just by virtue that he's so far out.

He has a brutal habit of committing to the shooter too early and it cost him here. That said, the 1st goal was so much worse than the 4th.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

His post game scrum interview was trying to shed a positive light on his shit play, when most goalies would be seething at themselves.
I think he has a mental delusions of grandeur syndrome of some sort.

So we picked on dadbot after the twins (somewhat understandably), but I think Stu, since now having 2 kiddos (I think) has gained perspective on life. And sure, that's great. You don't have a office job or are in sales so you maybe consider a work life balance, you're supposed to be a professional hockey player, but he seems to just view it as a thing he just does.