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List some reasons why Canada will/will not dominate in Sochi?

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On paper this team looks like it should dominate, or at the very least, control possession of the puck and have most of the quality chances in the game.

Speed is actually pretty good as well. Marleau, Duchene, Stamkos, Carter, Nash, Bergeron, Sharp. Deceptively good skaters in Toews, Crosby, Benn, Tavares. And the only players I would classify as slow are Getzlaf and Perry, but that didn't stop them from dominating Russia in 2010 and U.S. in the finals with those slick backhand passes. (My fondest memory of the tournament, besides the OT goal by Crosby, is the slick passing plays of Getzlaf and Perry).

But then look at 1998 and 2006. That offense was terrible... Zamuner (98) Draper, Smythe, Bertuzzi (06).

Bertuzzi still living off of pre-lockout success (Similar to Nash)
Smythe (skating was a disaster on big ice)
draper (like bringing a lesser version of Bergeron)

I remember the Tampa Bay trio being brought along for their chemistry but that failed big time. Bergeron was brought along in 2010 for past chemistry with Crosby but that failed (to be fair, he was coming off an injury and Babcock took him of Crosby's line half way through the 1st period). I can definitely see Getzlaf and Perry succeeding just as much as I can see them failing to establish effective chemistry in Sochi just like the Tampa Trio failed to do so (I panicked as soon as Italy gave them a hard time in 2006 and knew right there that this team wasn't going to medal; I was expecting something like a 14-0 score).
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Our Worst Player is Jeff Carter and Patrick Marleau.... Should be enough said right there..
 
Because... you know... there are three other teams just are just about as good and three other teams that are pretty darn good as well.
 
goolia said:
On paper this team looks like it should dominate, or at the very least, control possession of the puck and have most of the quality chances in the game.

Speed is actually pretty good as well. Marleau, Duchene, Stamkos, Carter, Nash, Bergeron, Sharp. Deceptively good skaters in Toews, Crosby, Benn, Tavares. And the only players I would classify as slow are Getzlaf and Perry, but that didn't stop them from dominating Russia in 2010 and U.S. in the finals with those slick backhand passes. (My fondest memory of the tournament, besides the OT goal by Crosby, is the slick passing plays of Getzlaf and Perry).

But then look at 1998 and 2006. That offense was terrible... Zamuner (98) Draper, Smythe, Bertuzzi (06).

Bertuzzi still living off of pre-lockout success (Similar to Nash)
Smythe (skating was a disaster on big ice)
draper (like bringing a lesser version of Bergeron)

I remember the Tampa Bay trio being brought along for their chemistry but that failed big time. Bergeron was brought along in 2010 for past chemistry with Crosby but that failed (to be fair, he was coming off an injury and Babcock took him of Crosby's line half way through the 1st period). I can definitely see Getzlaf and Perry succeeding just as much as I can see them failing to establish effective chemistry in Sochi just like the Tampa Trio failed to do so (I panicked as soon as Italy gave them a hard time in 2006 and knew right there that this team wasn't going to medal; I was expecting something like a 14-0 score).
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...no.
 
Canada should dominate? Yes but you have to keep in mind that there are other teams as well that could make this tournament a living hell for Canada and alla other top countries for that matter.
 
Xokkeu said:
Because... you know... there are three other teams just are just about as good and three other teams that are pretty darn good as well.
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This.
Even though on paper team Canada has possibly the best roster, there are other 3-4 teams that are almost as good. I guess it's pretty cool to have the most "expensive" team, but it does not guarantee these players will win you gold medal. Games are played on ice, not on paper. Who'd knew Pens will be swept 4-0 by Bruins in conference finals?
But if you need reasons, let's say:
1) Big ice, where Europeans have slight advantage;
2) Team needs to win only one game in playoffs to advance to the next round;
3) No home ice/crowd which they had in Vancouver in 2010.
 
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If we win the gold it's gonna be without a loss, cause I can't imagine we lose to Finland. We will see, it's not gonna be easy, but this team could play one of the best hockey we've ever seen at olympics, so......

At least solid goaltending, great defence, and superb offence.

Sharp-Toews-Carter as a 4th line ? Enough said.

Toews - 95 points in his last 96 games in regular season.
Sharp - now after 49 games, on pace for a 40-goal season
Carter - in his last 85 regular season games, he has 42 goals.

Two 40-goal scorers in the 4th line :yo: :D
 
Some players really lack effort
Goaltending
Skating
Big Ice
There are other great teams that could win

Could pretty much put this in to any team though...
 
CatOTails said:
But if you need reasons, let's say:
1) Big ice, where Europeans have slight advantage;
2) Team needs to win only one game in playoffs to advance to the next round;
3) No home ice/crowd which they had in Vancouver in 2010.
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Other teams tend to have more heart.
 
One game elimination.

Makes or breaks a team. I think Cnada is the most likely to come out top dog, but once again, it's one game. Goalie getting hot at the right time can make a big difference. Hnds up everyone who thought the Czechs would beat Canada and Russia to win the gold in 1998.

Realizes how long that was and asks for another show of hands from thos eof you too young to remember :P
 
Gold medal winner is the team that plays best as a team. Canada is dominating only on paper.

You lost to damn Switzerland twice not too long ago, that tells you something.

Also how quickly people forget Turin? How many would've picked Finland to win 4-0 against mighty Russia, who beat pretty easily Canada on QF's?
 
North American teams often have a slow start in international tournaments.

This is due to a number of factors.

1) Arriving only a few days before the start of the tournament -> major jet lag;
2) No training camp, no exhibition games -> problems with team chemistry early in the tournament;
3) Problems adapting to international rules;
4) Problems adapting to the big ice.

Now, if Canada loses the preliminary round match against Finland, they most likely will have to play the qualification play-offs. Most likely they'll face one of the complete underdogs in that scenario, but they might also have to face someone like Slovakia or Switzerland.

Because of the fact that there are no 'best-of' series in international tournaments, there's always a chance for an upset.

Because of all of this, Canada are not the favorites to win gold in Sochi. Their odds are somewhere around 30%, according to bookmakers.
 
Dominate? Team Canada did not dominate on home soil in Vancouver. They struggled against US - lost one in regulation and won the final game only in OT. They tied Switzerland. Canada wasn't dominant, they were just a little bit ahead of the competition.


I can't remember when was the last time Canada dominated in a so-called best-on-best tournament. Probably in the 1991 Canada Cup when the Soviets and Czechoslovaks didn't have most of their best players.
 
octopi said:
One game elimination.

Makes or breaks a team. I think Cnada is the most likely to come out top dog, but once again, it's one game. Goalie getting hot at the right time can make a big difference. Hnds up everyone who thought the Czechs would beat Canada and Russia to win the gold in 1998.
Realizes how long that was and asks for another show of hands from thos eof you too young to remember :P
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My hand is up
 
Yamaguchi said:
Dominate? Team Canada did not dominate on home soil in Vancouver. They struggled against US - lost one in regulation and won the final game only in OT. They tied Switzerland. Canada wasn't dominant, they were just a little bit ahead of the competition.


I can't remember when was the last time Canada dominated in a so-called best-on-best tournament. Probably in the 1991 Canada Cup when the Soviets and Czechoslovaks didn't have most of their best players.
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Our goal differential in 2010 was 35-16. That's a little bit ahead of 'a little bit ahead'.
 
There is a big talent gap between Canada and the other teams. There are minor reasons that Canada will struggle at the start of any tournament (larger ice surface, different officiating standards, stars playing in different roles) but the issue is sample size. In an NHL length season, Canada would absolutely dominate the other teams. In a seven game tournament with single game eliminations, Canada's odds are not significantly better than several other countries.
 
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