Proposal: Lindholm+Rakell for Mcdonagh+Buchnevich

[chunkylover53]

ANA has the better player in both cases, I actually think Lindholm will pass McD, who hasn't hit the peak as a few years ago, as soon as this year

Also think Buchnevich is overrated by Rangers fans...tons of teams have prospects like him.

 

[PuqTalk]

The simple fact that both fans want to pass makes me think this is the type of deal that could go down if for any reason we couldn't get Lindholm and Rakell signed.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

McDonagh is not easily better than Lindholm. I wouldn't even say that he is better than Lindholm, and Lindholm is 22. The only argument that could possibly be made is that Lindholm is probably going to make upwards of 6 mil, while McDonagh has a great contract ofor 4.3 million. And I would prefer Ravell to Buchnevich thanks

I'm a Devils fan to, but let's be real McDonagh is better at the moment, it's ain't by much anymore but there's still a gap, maybe not for long though. However, Mcdonagh does everything well and he's a leader and captain. I agree with you when it comes to Rakell and Buchnevich. Anaheim is in the win now mode and I don't think they should be trading for a prospect, a very very good prospect, a tad overrated, but the Ducks should want a forward who has had some NHL success. Getzlaf and Perry get older every year and they should be doing all they can to win while those two are still in their prime.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

ANA has the better player in both cases, I actually think Lindholm will pass McD, who hasn't hit the peak as a few years ago, as soon as this year

Also think Buchnevich is overrated by Rangers fans...tons of teams have prospects like him.

Oh he will definitely pass McDonough but he's not better at the moment, but he ain't far behind either.

 

[FLYLine27*]

LOL Rangers PASS!!!

 

[WesMcCauley]

I'm a Devils fan to, but let's be real McDonagh is better at the moment, it's ain't by much anymore but there's still a gap, maybe not for long though. However, Mcdonagh does everything well and he's a leader and captain. I agree with you when it comes to Rakell and Buchnevich. Anaheim is in the win now mode and I don't think they should be trading for a prospect, a very very good prospect, a tad overrated, but the Ducks should want a forward who has had some NHL success. Getzlaf and Perry get older every year and they should be doing all they can to win while those two are still in their prime.

Problem for Ana is the cap. Forward with some NHL success would probably make more than the bridge deal Rakell could get around 2,5-3 mill.
Mcdonagh is definetly better than Lindholm atm and im a huge Lindholm fan.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Problem for Ana is the cap. Forward with some NHL success would probably make more than the bridge deal Rakell could get around 2,5-3 mill.
Mcdonagh is definetly better than Lindholm atm and im a huge Lindholm fan.

Yeah that is true hard to find a good young player on a cheap contract. They should be trading other players to make room instead of Lindholm and Rakell. I.E. Cam Fowler but that's been beatin to death.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

ANA has the better player in both cases, I actually think Lindholm will pass McD, who hasn't hit the peak as a few years ago, as soon as this year

Also think Buchnevich is overrated by Rangers fans...tons of teams have prospects like him.

Lol okay...

 

[WesMcCauley]

Oh he will definitely pass McDonough but he's not better at the moment, but he ain't far behind either.

His name is Mcdonagh not Mcdonaugh

 

[kasper11]

ANA has the better player in both cases, I actually think Lindholm will pass McD, who hasn't hit the peak as a few years ago, as soon as this year

Also think Buchnevich is overrated by Rangers fans...tons of teams have prospects like him.

Really? Cause only 1 player in the KHL has ever scored more points as a 19 year old...Vladimir Tarasenko. Only 2 players have ever scored more as an 18 year old. Tarasenko and Kiprizov.

Buchnevich is an elite offensive talent. There are questions about his ability to adapt to NA and his play without the puck, but he is a top offensive prospect.

That said, the proposal is not feasible from the Rangers point of view (for cap reasons). I like Lindholm a lot, and would rather have him than McDonagh all things considered.

I also don't think either team is interested in a Rakell for Buchnevich swap. Just about any neutral observer would tell you that Buchnevich has much higher upside but much bigger downside as well as he could flame out. Rakell will be a middle-6 NHLer, but I don't see the offensive upside to be a top-line player.

The Rags have a ton of solid but unspectacular forwards. Guys like Miller, Hayes, Krieder, Zibanajed have all put up similar numbers to Rakell. Zuccarello and Stepan have put up better numbers, but not elite. They also have Jimmy Vessey who will likely be a solid middle-6 forward. Nash is the only Rags forward to ever score 30 goals.

In other words, Rakell doesn't help the Rags. If Buchnevich develops into a legit scoring threat, he fills a big hole.

For the Ducks, they don't have much depth at forward, and most of the forwards they do have are on the wrong side of 30. If they trade Rakell and Buchnevich doesn't work out, they could be in a lot of trouble.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

His name is Mcdonagh not Mcdonaugh

That's cool..even though I already knew that, look how I spelled his name in every other post in this thead..try to forgive me..

 

[RSeen]

Terrible for Ducks. Lindholm is much younger and is better.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Terrible for Ducks. Lindholm is much younger and is better.

lol ye no he isnt.

 

[Boruto]

Ahhh this is going well. A trade involving two pairs of players that the board is going to be split 50/50 on either in terms of value or quality then you throw in the "way better" between two high quality players and the "higher ceiling vs. complete unknown (despite 2 pro seasons in the KHL)".

 

[Vipers31]

lol ye no he isnt.

Can't see it as lol-worthy given the past two years. McDonagh hasn't been near his best to put himself above such a claim. Even fully acknowledging the anchor he tends to carry around.

 

[tony d]

Doubt either team does this.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Can't see it as lol-worthy given the past two years. McDonagh hasn't been near his best to put himself above such a claim. Even fully acknowledging the anchor he tends to carry around.

The year NYR came to the finals he was unreal. Almost Norris worthy how good his two way game was. Problems is that he is paired with the biggest anchor in the league a lot so he looks much worse than he is at times. Look at the World Cup, was very good scored 3 goals etc. Every time he get away from Girardi his stats and cf% go up a lot and he looks much better. Brady Skjei played with Girardi in the preseason game the other day, worst game he has played as a NYR. They had the Worst cf% on both teams. I'm not saying Mcdonagh is doughty or Karlsson but he is a lot closer to a top 5D in the league than a lot of people think. Just give him a decent partner and not the player with the worst cf% in the league

 

[xxreact9]

I can't agree on this.

McDonagh is one of the best players in the NHL at playing without the puck. He's not really a defensive defenseman since he routinely scores above 30 points, but pure play in his own zone, McDonagh is top 5 in the league in that category.

He is also an excellent skater, and decent enough offensively. He might be a top 10D in the league, certainly no worse than around top 15.

Lindholm is one of the best younger players in the NHL, but only the rare defenseman is an elite level NHL player after only a few seasons.

He is one of those.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Can't see it as lol-worthy given the past two years. McDonagh hasn't been near his best to put himself above such a claim. Even fully acknowledging the anchor he tends to carry around.

Try playing with arguably the worst defenseman in the entire NHL for 24-25 minutes a game and getting the top assignments to boot.

I'd rather have Stoner than Girardi and that's not even bringing contract into context.

 

[Vipers31]

Try playing with arguably the worst defenseman in the entire NHL for 24-25 minutes a game and getting the top assignments to boot.

It's a great and valid excuse, but in order to get consideration or more for somewhat elite company, it takes a bit more than a valid excuse for not playing so well. It's not like McDonagh is entirely beyond criticism over that timeframe.

I'd rather have Stoner than Girardi and that's not even bringing contract into context.

Well, yeah, Stoner is actually a decent bottom pairing type player, just overpaid by $1-1.5M. Girardi seems to be seen as a borderline NHLer. I remember that the Ducks were rumored to be very interested before his extension happened - don't hate having dodged that bullet. (Although it probably would have negated the Bieksa and to a lesser degree Stoner bullets.)