Like you haven't heard it: Paul Henderson's goal

[Doshell Propivo]

That one is kind of all by itself with Czechs? That was Czech's year, or two years as a recall. I had wondered about 68, which was before I became aware. But also 72 IIHF, maybe, although I figure I would have felt the reverbs.
One question, do you think that older people who remember 68 would say that 98 was bigger? Or the other way? There are three such goals in Canada, 72, 87 and 10.

68? Nah. the 72 world championships was a much digger deal. But Olympic Gold tops it all.

 

[PrimumHockeyist]

No way, not in a million years. Eruzione's goal transcends "best on best."

It would be fun to do a poll on the main board...

Amonte's goal was much more for the hockey afficionado, if my speling is correct. Summer season, when most Americans look the other way. I could feel the groundswell all the way up in Canada in the weeks leading up to the tournament. USA had a confidence about them that JR voiced so eloquently.

Hey!! we're getting off track here, this thread is supposed to be about the crowning Jewel in Canadian hockeys prodigious crown.

Let's keep things on track here, my goodness.

"1972" :

68? Nah. the 72 world championships was a much digger deal. But Olympic Gold tops it all.

I've watched the Czechs since September of 72, and for all of the great teams they've had, 98 seems like the apex.

 

[PrimumHockeyist]

Stweet !

 

[Hanji]

It probably isn't since it wasn't in a best-on-best tournament. I'd say for United States people, it would be Tony Amonte's goal.

No. Just no.
There’s a reason Disney was able to make the movie ‘Miracle’. It was because the public had an existing knowledge of and interest in 1980.
Try doing that with any other historical moment in our game. It would be a total flop instead of grossing 65 mil like Miracle did.

Globally speaking, there is no other goal as well known as Eruzione’s.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

It stands alone at the top of the mountain.

Lake Placid is a better story.

 

[jj cale]

Lake Placid is a better story.

this doesn't sound like "steely resolve" etc.

Oh, and no, it isn't. It was a game shown on tape delay in the U.S for gods sake, that's how much the U.S cared about that game to begin with. The whole nation sat in front of the T.V for the Summit series as it happened, the whole country was shut down to watch..............................because it meant more. It was spiritual here.


But your opinion was expected of course. No matter, it stands alone on the top of the mountain as always.

Lake placid and other games shouldn't be violating this thread anyway, it's the 50th anniversary of Hendersons goal, people can make a thread about that and talk about it there if they wish., it has no place here.

 

[Hanji]

this doesn't sound like "steely resolve" etc.

Oh, and no, it isn't. It was a game shown on tape delay in the U.S for gods sake, that's how much the U.S cared about that game to begin with. The whole nation sat in front of the T.V for the Summit series as it happened, the whole country was shut down to watch..............................because it meant more. It was spiritual here.


But your opinion was expected of course. No matter, it stands alone on the top of the mountain as always.

Lake placid and other games shouldn't be violating this thread anyway, it's the 50th anniversary of Hendersons goal, people can make a thread about that and talk about it there if they wish., it has no place here.

1980 USA vs USSR is the most watched game in history despite it being on tape delay. Think about how crazy that is.
It was a true David vs Goliath scenario; with a politcal backdrop waaaay more heated than that of the Summit Series.

The Summit Series was a more important hockey moment. And I'm sure it was a better 'story' for the Canadian audience. But 1980's appeal transcends the sport on a global level to which the Summit Series just can't compete with.

 

[jj cale]

1980 USA vs USSR is the most watched game in history despite it being on tape delay. Think about how crazy that is.
It was a true David vs Goliath scenario; with a politcal backdrop waaaay more heated than that of the Summit Series.

The Summit Series was a more important hockey moment. And I'm sure it was a better 'story' for the Canadian audience. But 1980's appeal transcends the sport on a global level to which the Summit Series just can't compete with.

transcends the sport on a global scale the summit series can't match? International hockey still owes a debt to that summit series, the development of the game as we know it today that came out of that series with it's international flavor is all encompassing, the miracle on ice can't come close to matching it in global impact, not even close.it's impact was confined to the U.S. It was a one game affair that wasn't even must see t.v for Americans when it was actually happening, but of course after winning the game it is now so venerated(hours after the fact of course) how convenient!! hard core hockey fans those Yanks are!!

Not saying it wasn't a great moment but you are pumping up it's global impact(very, very little) and grossly downplaying the global impact of the Summit Series.

I watched the miracle on ice LIVE, as it happened here in Canada, not on tape delay, that should say enough in itself about the importance of the 2 events as it was going down for the populations of both countries. That's pretty sad when a fan from Canada got to experience it when it happened and the hosting country that now proudly lives off the cheques they cashed for you all in that game that you still all gleefully live off weren't even there by the t.v set to support them as it was going down. But then again,I lived in a hockey loving country, you didn't. Notice the difference if you may.

The summit series resonates louder and longer in our sport to this very day. I'm sure you won't agree with this but that's o.k, as you are American and are expected not to but it doesn't change the fact that it is a more important moment in the sport of hockey overall and again.................this is not a thread about Lake Placid, you can make a thread for that if you wish, i'll read it.

I wouldn't go any further on this subject with me concerning the 2 events, as I've said Lake Placid doesn't belong in the thread and two, you will never convince me otherwise and for so many good reasons. It's a waste of your valuable time.

 

[Tripledeke333]

No. Just no.
There’s a reason Disney was able to make the movie ‘Miracle’. It was because the public had an existing knowledge of and interest in 1980.
Try doing that with any other historical moment in our game. It would be a total flop instead of grossing 65 mil like Miracle did.

Globally speaking, there is no other goal as well known as Eruzione’s.

Hollywood made the “Miracle Movie” because the USA is the largest market so economically, it makes sense to make a movie about an American team as opposed to Canada or another country.

 

[Tripledeke333]

Lake Placid is a better story.

It’s all subjective. Obviously Americans will like Lake Placid more and Canadians the Summit Series.

However, you can easily make the argument the Summit Series was the better story for reasons such as:

It happened 10 years before and was one of the first true clashes of hockey cultures.

It was a series and not just a game.

It was a best on best.

Canada went down on the series count and had to make a comeback. Many say Russia would have claimed victory if there was a tie and Canada won it at the last moment.

Canada is much more passionate about hockey. The whole country shut down to watch the games, and they won at the last moment.

 

[Hanji]

transcends the sport on a global scale the summit series can't match? International hockey still owes a debt to that summit series, the development of the game as we know it today with it's international flavor is all encompassing, the miracle on ice can't come close to matching it in global impact, not even close.it's impact was confined to the U.S. It was a one game affair that wasn't even must see t.v for Americans when it was actually happening, but of course after winning the game it is now so venerated(hours after the fact of course) how convenient!! hard core hockey fans those Yanks are!!

Not saying it wasn't a great moment but you are pumping up it's impact and grossly downplaying the impact of the SS.

I watched the miracle on ice LIVE, as it happened here in Canada, not on tape delay, that should say enough in itself about the importance of the 2 events as it was going down for the populations of both countries..

The summit series resonates louder and longer in our sport to this very day. I'm sure you won't agree with this but that's o.k, as you are American and are expected not to but it doesn't change the fact that it is a more important moment in the sport of hockey overall and again.................this is not a thread about Lake Placid, you can make a thread for that if you wish, i'll read it.

I wouldn't go any further on this subject with me concerning the 2 events, as I've said Lake Placid doesn't belong in the thread and two, you will never convince me otherwise and for so may good reasons. It's a waste of your valuable time.

Everything your describing is hockey related. We're in agreement here. The Summit Series was the most important and influential moment for the game. Especially internationally. But it did not transcend the game beyond the game itself on a global scale. Nobody but Canadians/Russians and hockey fans realistically know about the event.

1980 did. The magic of 1980 lies in that it's not about hockey; similar to how Jesse Owens or Jackie Robinsons achievements aren't about sport either. The political situation between 2 world superpowers of the times ensured this. Not to mention the event occured in front of a global audience. Summit Series did not.
After a decade of gloom in the West 1980 sparked a period which started the downfall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
Hell, 1980 changed the way the olympics are broacasted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ed-olympics-coverage-were-seeing-every-night/

Again, you can't make a box office movie about the Summit Series, or at least a sussessful one. The influence is not far reaching enough.
Disney was able to with Miracle because millions of non-hockey fans have an emotional attachment to the event, even 42 years later.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

transcends the sport on a global scale the summit series can't match? International hockey still owes a debt to that summit series, the development of the game as we know it today that came out of that series with it's international flavor is all encompassing, the miracle on ice can't come close to matching it in global impact, not even close.it's impact was confined to the U.S. It was a one game affair that wasn't even must see t.v for Americans when it was actually happening, but of course after winning the game it is now so venerated(hours after the fact of course) how convenient!! hard core hockey fans those Yanks are!!

Not saying it wasn't a great moment but you are pumping up it's global impact(very, very little) and grossly downplaying the global impact of the Summit Series.

I watched the miracle on ice LIVE, as it happened here in Canada, not on tape delay, that should say enough in itself about the importance of the 2 events as it was going down for the populations of both countries. That's pretty sad when a fan from Canada got to experience it when it happened and the hosting country that now proudly lives off the cheques they cashed for you all in that game that you still all gleefully live off weren't even there by the t.v set to support them as it was going down. But then again,I lived in a hockey loving country, you didn't. Notice the difference if you may.

The summit series resonates louder and longer in our sport to this very day. I'm sure you won't agree with this but that's o.k, as you are American and are expected not to but it doesn't change the fact that it is a more important moment in the sport of hockey overall and again.................this is not a thread about Lake Placid, you can make a thread for that if you wish, i'll read it.

I wouldn't go any further on this subject with me concerning the 2 events, as I've said Lake Placid doesn't belong in the thread and two, you will never convince me otherwise and for so many good reasons. It's a waste of your valuable time.

For Canada, it's Henderson. AIAEC
For the US, it's Eruzione, AIAEC

 

[Tripledeke333]

Everything your describing is hockey related. We're in agreement here. The Summit Series was the most important and influential moment for the game. Especially internationally. But it did not transcend the game beyond the game itself on a global scale. Nobody but Canadians/Russians and hockey fans realistically know about the event.

1980 did. The magic of 1980 lies in that it's not about hockey; similar to how Jesse Owens or Jackie Robinsons achievements aren't about sport either. The political situation between 2 world superpowers of the times ensured this. Not to mention the event occured in front of a global audience. Summit Series did not.
After a decade of gloom in the West 1980 sparked a period which started the downfall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
Hell, 1980 changed the way the olympics are broacasted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ed-olympics-coverage-were-seeing-every-night/

Again, you can't make a box office movie about the Summit Series, or at least a sussessful one. The influence is not far reaching enough.
Disney was able to with Miracle because millions of non-hockey fans have an emotional attachment to the event, even 42 years later.

If the teams were “reversed” and it was USA that won the Summit Series and Canada the 1980 Olympics, you absolutely could make a movie about it. High budget Hollywood has a Pro-USA bias. That is just how it works and would be the same if it was Canada that had the larger population.

The Mighty Ducks series would be less successful if it was set in Canada. All you are proving is that the USA has the larger population.

Sure, there are good reasons why the 1989 Olympics is a better hockey story, but the idea that the Miracle movie proves such makes no sense at all.

 

[Czechboy]

If the teams were “reversed” and it was USA that won the Summit Series and Canada the 1980 Olympics, you absolutely could make a movie about it. High budget Hollywood has a Pro-USA bias. That is just how it works and would be the same if it was Canada that had the larger population.

The Mighty Ducks series would be less successful if it was set in Canada. All you are proving is that the USA has the larger population.

Sure, there are good reasons why the 1989 Olympics is a better hockey story, but the idea that the Miracle movie proves such makes no sense at all.

Now explain why Cool Runnings (Jamaican bobsled team) and Eddie the Eagle (England Ski Jumper) did so well?lol

 

[jj cale]

Everything your describing is hockey related. We're in agreement here. The Summit Series was the most important and influential moment for the game. Especially internationally. But it did not transcend the game beyond the game itself on a global scale. Nobody but Canadians/Russians and hockey fans realistically know about the event.

1980 did. The magic of 1980 lies in that it's not about hockey; similar to how Jesse Owens or Jackie Robinsons achievements aren't about sport either. The political situation between 2 world superpowers of the times ensured this. Not to mention the event occured in front of a global audience. Summit Series did not.
After a decade of gloom in the West 1980 sparked a period which started the downfall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
Hell, 1980 changed the way the olympics are broacasted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ed-olympics-coverage-were-seeing-every-night/

Again, you can't make a box office movie about the Summit Series, or at least a sussessful one. The influence is not far reaching enough.
Disney was able to with Miracle because millions of non-hockey fans have an emotional attachment to the event, even 42 years later.

I'd love to know how many in the world can speak intimately about the miracle on ice and didn't forget about it 2 weeks after it happened , i'm sure they all recall this like yesterday in croatia and ghana.

You assume it had global impact because it had a big impact in the U.S but the two are not automatically connected.

and I sure hope you are not saying the miracle on ice was what started the downfall of the soviet union are you? cmon now. Hopefully I am misinterpreting what you wrote about that here.

But yes, you are correct and we are in agreement when you say the summit series was by far the more important moment for the game itself and well, that is what moments in hockey are really about...............................the game of hockey, not some silly cold war that we all unfortunately had to deal with. That's for dumb politicians not fans.

This global thing that transcended the game itself, I suppose a lot of eyeballs were watching no doubt and it was a great hockey moment, but I think you drastically overstate it's global impact because it involved the U.S and so assume it has to be so, after all...............it's the U.S involved, isn't everything we do always on the front page everywhere? We dominate world culture, economics, etc, etc , etc. I get the thinking behind the assumption and a lot of times it's true, but not always, certainly not in hockey matters the U.S doesn't dominate headlines or call all the tune.

I question that, especially 42 years after the game, in a game that has very little popularity world wide. And that holds true for the U.S too, after the game, everyone went back to watching football, baseball and basketball. It didn't even have the impact you could argue it should have had for the sport there, it had some, but if it was as impactful as is being claimed you would think hockey should have been able to make it's inroads to being a sport that is on or near the level of the above mentioned. but nope.............still basically the same in importance there, 2nd tier in popularity looking up in envy at nascar.

Don't get me wrong though, Lake Placid was a momentous moment in hockey, I wouldn't argue that.

 

[jj cale]

For Canada, it's Henderson. AIAEC
For the US, it's Eruzione, AIAEC

That's true and to be expected. But the summit series is number 1 if we are looking at it solely from a hockey and not nationalistic perspective, I don't think there is any question about that.

 

[Tripledeke333]

Now explain why Cool Runnings (Jamaican bobsled team) and Eddie the Eagle (England Ski Jumper) did so well?lol

Lol Cool Runnings is great. I think we also should all agree that “a great movie” does not always been the greatest sports moment.

However, regarding the discussion at hand, I will add this:

All Canadians know about the Summit Series because they either watched it, or their parents told them about it. If it were not for the Miracle movie, many Americans would not know about about the Lake Placid win or who Mike Eurizone is.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes, for Canada. In other countries it is not a very well known moment at all.

Well then they aren’t fans of hockey history

 

[Doshell Propivo]

That's true and to be expected. But the summit series is number 1 if we are looking at it solely from a hockey and not nationalistic perspective, I don't think there is any question about that.

In Canada.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No. Just no.
There’s a reason Disney was able to make the movie ‘Miracle’. It was because the public had an existing knowledge of and interest in 1980.
Try doing that with any other historical moment in our game. It would be a total flop instead of grossing 65 mil like Miracle did.

Globally speaking, there is no other goal as well known as Eruzione’s.

Oh boy

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Lol Cool Runnings is great. I think we also should all agree that “a great movie” does not always been the greatest sports moment.

However, regarding the discussion at hand, I will add this:

All Canadians know about the Summit Series because they either watched it, or their parents told them about it. If it were not for the Miracle movie, many Americans would not know about about the Lake Placid win or who Mike Eurizone is.

That is not true. The movie did popularize with a younger generation but it was consistently regarded as one of (if not the) greatest sports moments in US history. And that was before the movie. There were also other movies before the Disney one. There was a made for TV one with Karl Malden as Herb Brooks in the late 80's. Adn a great HBO doc (which IMO is better than Miracle) in the 00's.

Well then they aren’t fans of hockey history

I guess... But you have to be 60+ years old to remember Henderson's goal. And while some younger hard core hockey fans will no doubt learn about it, it's just not going resonate as much with non-Canadian audiences.

 

[Tripledeke333]

That is not true. The movie did popularize with a younger generation but it was consistently regarded as one of (if not the) greatest sports moments in US history. And that was before the movie. There were also other movies before the Disney one. There was a made for TV one with Karl Malden as Herb Brooks in the late 80's. Adn a great HBO doc (which IMO is better than Miracle) in the 00's.


I guess... But you have to be 60+ years old to remember Henderson's goal. And while some younger hard core hockey fans will no doubt learn about it, it's just not going resonate as much with non-Canadian audiences.

I think it is true that many Americans would not now about the Miracle if not for the Movie. I think this is especially true compared to Canada.

Even a popular high budget Movie with the most memorable line being the below, that through word of mouth and folklore more Canadians k ow of the Summit Series.

Coach:What’s your name?

Player: Mike Eurizione

Coach: What team do you play for?

Player: USA

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I think it is true that many Americans would not now about the Miracle if not for the Movie. I think this is especially true compared to Canada.

Even a popular high budget Movie with the most memorable line being the below, that through word of mouth and folklore more Canadians k ow of the Summit Series.

Coach:What’s your name?

Player: Mike Eurizione

Coach: What team do you play for?

Player: USA

For the younger (20 and under) generation probably. Like I said it was part of popular culture well before the movie.

 

[Tripledeke333]

For the younger (20 and under) generation probably. Like I said it was part of popular culture well before the movie.

Maybe in Minnesota. Go to California, Texas or Florida and nobody knows about it. Even in hockey markets such as Boston most think about American Football, Baseball and Basketball first when thinking of the best sports moments.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Maybe in Minnesota. Go to California, Texas or Florida and nobody knows about it. Even in hockey markets such as Boston most think about American Football, Baseball and Basketball first when thinking of the best sports moments.

In 1999 (5 years before Miracle), Sports Illustrated had a big, well publicized series on the 100 Greatest Sports Moments of the 20th Century. Miracle on Ice was #1.