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vorky said:
It is very sad what you wrote.
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Sad? Finland doesn't have millions of people in cities so i think per capita wise we are doing very good. I can everyday see people wearing Ilves merch and the two clubs from Tampere are doing financially better than ever before.
 
Yellow and the green said:
Sad? Finland doesn't have millions of people in cities so i think per capita wise we are doing very good. I can everyday see people wearing Ilves merch and the two clubs from Tampere are doing financially better than ever before.
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I do not think so.

I would expect the new great arena will attract fans. Seems it does not work here. It is not only about Tampere. And TPS is a mystery case.

Liiga is the worst in all attendance aspects from leading leagues.


 
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vorky said:
I do not think so.

I would expect the new great arena will attract fans. Seems it does not work here. It is not only about Tampere. And TPS is a mystery case.

Liiga is the worst in all attendance aspects from leading leagues.


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Also the lowest population is in Finland. What a shock that when there is like 5 million more people in Sweden and Czechia.
 
Yellow and the green said:
Also the lowest population is in Finland. What a shock that when there is like 5 million more people in Sweden and Czechia.
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If comparing the average arenas capacity of SHL/TELH vs Liiga, we see the Swedish/Czech leagues are just +500 comparing to Finland. But the real attendance is much much worse in Finland.

And Liiga game attendance with around 2000-3000 fans is realy realy bad signal.
 
Hockey history in Tampere is pretty much based on the fact there is two teams on the top level (and until 1980 there were even more). Combining them would kill the enthusiasm for many people and would not bring any new fans.
 
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Max Lindroth had 4-goal-game today. First defenseman to do that since 1985 and the first ever to have first four goals of his career in the same game counting back to 1975 when SM-liiga was formed.

His first game was on January 31st and this was his 7th game.
 
vorky said:
If comparing the average arenas capacity of SHL/TELH vs Liiga, we see the Swedish/Czech leagues are just +500 comparing to Finland. But the real attendance is much much worse in Finland.

And Liiga game attendance with around 2000-3000 fans is realy realy bad signal.
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I just have to say, that the culture in sports isn´t so passionate in Finland, Tampere and both of it´s teams are doing fine with attendance, believe me, if they get 8000+ attendance in regular season games everyone can be thankful.
500,000 people live Tampere and it´s closest neighboring municipalities, so you can´t expect a lot more than that.
Finnish people are also poor, we pay a lot of taxes, and now when the inflation is very high, we just can´t afford going to every game.
In Sweden very small cities have better attendance, because it´s a matter of honor there to be a fan to your own team and go to watch them play, Swedish society also thinks, that people must spend more money, they get more usable money per month comparing to Finnish people.

I´m also on the same side with you, only three teams, Ilves, Tappara and HIFK can be pleased to their attendance, others just need to have more, no explanations.

The argument that Sweden has more population is not valid, because if you look to the cities where Swedish teams play, so many are in very small towns, and they have sold out many games in the regular season..


Yes, i know, old conversation but i needed to answer. I´m worried about attendances in Finland.
 
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Sir34 said:
I just have to say, that the culture in sports isn´t so passionate in Finland, Tampere and both of it´s teams are doing fine with attendance, believe me, if they get 8000+ attendance in regular season games everyone can be thankful.
500,000 people live Tampere and it´s closest neighboring municipalities, so you can´t expect a lot more than that.
Finnish people are also poor, we pay a lot of taxes, and now when the inflation is very high, we just can´t afford going to every game.
In Sweden very small cities have better attendance, because it´s a matter of honor there to be a fan to your own team and go to watch them play, Swedish society also thinks, that people must spend more money, they get more usable money per month comparing to Finnish people.

I´m also on the same side with you, only three teams, Ilves, Tappara and HIFK can be pleased to their attendance, others just need to have more, no explanations.

The argument that Sweden has more population is not valid, because if you look to the cities where Swedish teams play, so many are in very small towns, and they have sold out many games in the regular season..


Yes, i know, old conversation but i needed to answer. I´m worried about attendances in Finland.
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Merge the leagues and reduce the total number of teams is the answer.
 
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Lackhalak said:
Merge the leagues and reduce the total number of teams is the answer.
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I totally agree, we´ll have one more team for the next season, so 16 teams in the main league of the country... too much, because we can´t compete with salaries against other leagues in Europe this decision will reduce Liiga´s level a lot.
 
Sir34 said:
I totally agree, we´ll have one more team for the next season, so 16 teams in the main league of the country... too much, because we can´t compete with salaries against other leagues in Europe this decision will reduce Liiga´s level a lot.
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[TR]
[TD]Div 1[/TD]
[TD]Teams[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Arena[/TD]

[TD]Population (metro)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]Stockholm[/TD]
[TD]Djurgardens[/TD]

[TD]
13,850​
[/TD]

[TD]
2,392,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]Stockholm[/TD]
[TD]AIK[/TD]

[TD]
13,850​
[/TD]

[TD]
2,392,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]Gothenberg[/TD]
[TD]Frolunda[/TD]

[TD]
-16,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
1,058,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]Malmo[/TD]
[TD]Red Hawks[/TD]

[TD]
12,600​
[/TD]

[TD]
749,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]Uppsala[/TD]
[TD]Almtuna IS[/TD]

[TD]
-10,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
295,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]Linkoping[/TD]
[TD]HC[/TD]

[TD]
8,500​
[/TD]

[TD]
207,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Karlstad[/TD]
[TD]Farjestad BK[/TD]

[TD]
8,646​
[/TD]

[TD]
180,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]Helsinki[/TD]
[TD]HIFK[/TD]

[TD]
-10,500​
[/TD]

[TD]
1,671,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]Helsinki[/TD]
[TD]Jokerit[/TD]

[TD]
13,349​
[/TD]

[TD]
1,671,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]Tampere[/TD]
[TD]Ilves[/TD]

[TD]
13,455​
[/TD]

[TD]
448,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]Turku[/TD]
[TD]TPS[/TD]

[TD]
11,820​
[/TD]

[TD]
362,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]Oulu[/TD]
[TD]Karpat[/TD]

[TD]
-10,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
258,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]Copenhagen[/TD]
[TD]Eagles[/TD]

[TD]
12,500​
[/TD]

[TD]
2,100,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14​
[/TD]

[TD]Oslo[/TD]
[TD]Valerenga[/TD]

[TD]
5,300​
[/TD]

[TD]
1,600,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Div 2[/TD]
[TD]Teams[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Arena[/TD]

[TD]Population (metro)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]Orebro[/TD]
[TD]HK[/TD]

[TD]
5,316​
[/TD]

[TD]
208,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]Gavle[/TD]
[TD]Brynas IF[/TD]

[TD]
7,909​
[/TD]

[TD]
184,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]Jonkoping[/TD]
[TD]HV71[/TD]

[TD]
7,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
171,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]Vaxjo[/TD]
[TD]Lakers[/TD]

[TD]
5,700​
[/TD]

[TD]
157,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]Lulea[/TD]
[TD]FH[/TD]

[TD]
6,150​
[/TD]

[TD]
78,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]Skelleftea[/TD]
[TD]AIK[/TD]

[TD]
5,801​
[/TD]

[TD]
73,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Angelholm[/TD]
[TD]Rogle BK[/TD]

[TD]
5,045​
[/TD]

[TD]
44,000/243,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]Jyvaskyla[/TD]
[TD]JYP[/TD]

[TD]
-7,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
212,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]Lahti[/TD]
[TD]Pelicans[/TD]

[TD]
5,371​
[/TD]

[TD]
191,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]Kuopio[/TD]
[TD]KalPa[/TD]

[TD]
5,300​
[/TD]

[TD]
168,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]Pori[/TD]
[TD]Assat[/TD]

[TD]
6,300​
[/TD]

[TD]
137,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]Riga[/TD]
[TD]Dinamo[/TD]

[TD]
10,300​
[/TD]

[TD]
1,100,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]Aalborg[/TD]
[TD]Pirates[/TD]

[TD]
5,200​
[/TD]

[TD]
217,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14​
[/TD]

[TD]Stavanger[/TD]
[TD]Oilers[/TD]

[TD]
4,500​
[/TD]

[TD]
320,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Div 3[/TD]
[TD]Teams[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Arena[/TD]

[TD]Population (metro)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]Uema[/TD]
[TD]IF Bjorkloven[/TD]

[TD]
5,400​
[/TD]

[TD]
131,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]Timra[/TD]
[TD]IK[/TD]

[TD]
6,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
19,000/ 126,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]Ornskoldsvik[/TD]
[TD]Modo[/TD]

[TD]
7,600​
[/TD]

[TD]
56,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]Vasteras[/TD]
[TD]IK[/TD]

[TD]
4,902​
[/TD]

[TD]
199,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]Sodertalje[/TD]
[TD]SK[/TD]

[TD]
6,200​
[/TD]

[TD]
101,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]Leksand[/TD]
[TD]IF[/TD]

[TD]
7,650​
[/TD]

[TD]
69,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Hameenlinna[/TD]
[TD]HPK[/TD]

[TD]
5,360​
[/TD]

[TD]
67,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]Rauma[/TD]
[TD]Lukko[/TD]

[TD]
5,400​
[/TD]

[TD]
66,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]Kouvola[/TD]
[TD]KooKoo[/TD]

[TD]
5,950​
[/TD]

[TD]
61,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]Tallin[/TD]
[TD]Panter[/TD]

[TD]
5,840​
[/TD]

[TD]
455,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]Aarhus/Herning[/TD]
[TD]Blue Fox[/TD]

[TD]
11,000​
[/TD]

[TD]
350,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]Ondense[/TD]
[TD]Bull Dogs[/TD]

[TD]
3,280​
[/TD]

[TD]
205,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]Lillehammer-Hamer[/TD]
[TD]Storhammer[/TD]

[TD]
11,000-7,500​
[/TD]

[TD]
30,000-88,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14​
[/TD]

[TD]Bergen[/TD]
[TD]IK[/TD]

[TD]
-8,320​
[/TD]

[TD]
420,000​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Jukurit said:
Vaasan Sport: 10 seasons in Liiga, 0 won playoff games.
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At least they are able to sell out their games which is a rarity for Liiga. League had only 4,4% of sold-outs in regular season. For example Czech TELH had 7,9% and other top leagues had from 15% to 25%.
 
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And in the KHL we have 100 % sold out games with half empty arenas...

HIFK surviving to see another day with a triple overtime win over Pelicans, seventh longest game in league history.
 
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Any other HFer pumped for the upcoming Liiga finals? As a lifetime Pelicans fan, two straight final appearances is not something I pictured as a kid but damn I'm so hungry for redemption against Tappara!
 
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insomniaddict said:
Any other HFer pumped for the upcoming Liiga finals? As a lifetime Pelicans fan, two straight final appearances is not something I pictured as a kid but damn I'm so hungry for redemption against Tappara!
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I hope your team wins it. Would be nice to have someone else win it for a change.
 
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