Levshunov is comparable to ? Demidov is comparable to ?

[Giovi]

From the post/scouting report I was quoting:

I do worry a lot about his hockey IQ. Offensively, he doesn't make any big brain plays. He kind of just fires the puck towards the net with a strong wist shot or attempts a seam pass with his really strong passes. I use strong twice here because he is built and gets good use out of his strength to apply it appropriately. His compete can be questionable at times too. He will lack any sense of urgency from time to time and give up some high danger chances. The turn-over rate is also pretty high. He relies a ton on his strength to push the puck past traffic, but he will throw the puck into a lot of dangerous areas. This results in some really bad turnovers.

Who is the source of this quote?

 

[ello]

Levshunov indeed does not have that dawg in him

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

From the post/scouting report I was quoting:

I do worry a lot about his hockey IQ. Offensively, he doesn't make any big brain plays. He kind of just fires the puck towards the net with a strong wist shot or attempts a seam pass with his really strong passes. I use strong twice here because he is built and gets good use out of his strength to apply it appropriately. His compete can be questionable at times too. He will lack any sense of urgency from time to time and give up some high danger chances. The turn-over rate is also pretty high. He relies a ton on his strength to push the puck past traffic, but he will throw the puck into a lot of dangerous areas. This results in some really bad turnovers.

Hockey iq sure but the effort level is always there he's just not as assertive as he could be but again that goes to hockey iq not effort.

 

[Taze em]

To return to the original question:
Levshunov:
Pronman: Drew Doughty Erik Karlsson
Wheeler: Brent Burns
EP Draftguide: Charlie McAvoy and Zach Werenski

Demidov:
Pronman/Wheeler Kaprizov/Kucherov
EP Draftguide: Kirill Kaprizov

 

[ello]

What could Pronman's rationales possibly be for those comps? I swear he's just naming random elite RHDs

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

EK65 as a Levshunov comp is f***ing laughable. Like if everything goes perfect he's not even EK.

 

[Geoist]

Who is the source of this quote?

Thought the poster was quoting a report but I guess it was their own observations, so my bad on that.

But there is plenty of similar criticism over him lacking compete and acting lackadaisical at times. There are a few examples here:

2024 NHL SCOUTING REPORT (VIDEO + GRADES): Artyom Levshunov, D, Michigan State Univeristy (NCAA)

McKeen's Brock Otten provides a detailed scouting report on 2024 NHL Draft prospect Artyom Levshunov including video and grades.

www.mckeenshockey.com

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Thought the poster was quoting a report but I guess it was their own observations, so my bad on that.

But there is plenty of similar criticism over him lacking compete and acting lackadaisical at times. There are a few examples here:

2024 NHL SCOUTING REPORT (VIDEO + GRADES): Artyom Levshunov, D, Michigan State Univeristy (NCAA)

McKeen's Brock Otten provides a detailed scouting report on 2024 NHL Draft prospect Artyom Levshunov including video and grades.

www.mckeenshockey.com

It's not lacking compete he's just in over his head. Hockey happens around him too often. It was my biggest complaint about Vlasic. It's also the single hardest thing to fix.

 

[Giovi]

Thought the poster was quoting a report but I guess it was their own observations, so my bad on that.

But there is plenty of similar criticism over him lacking compete and acting lackadaisical at times. There are a few examples here:

2024 NHL SCOUTING REPORT (VIDEO + GRADES): Artyom Levshunov, D, Michigan State Univeristy (NCAA)

McKeen's Brock Otten provides a detailed scouting report on 2024 NHL Draft prospect Artyom Levshunov including video and grades.

www.mckeenshockey.com

That article states that he has to get more physical at net front. It also states that overall, his compete level is sound.

 

[belfour30]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805717838465745145

 

[ello]

I mean the key here is that Demidov has more traits that project him as a top line guy than Lev has that project him as a top pair guy. Framing this as a "well dur cmon you always pick the stud dman over the winger" is so dumb and clearly feels like there's a Lev bias here.

Barring a miracle I really think Lev is the pick. Feels like local media is trying to soften us up for it lol

 

[Kevin Musto]

I mean the key here is that Demidov has more traits that project him as a top line guy than Lev has that project him as a top pair guy. Framing this as a "well dur cmon you always pick the stud dman over the winger" is so dumb and clearly feels like there's a Lev bias here.

Barring a miracle I really think Lev is the pick. Feels like local media is trying to soften us up for it lol

Iginla has more traits that project him as a top line guy than Demidov

Silayev has more traits that project him as a top pair guy than Levshunov

And yet, here we are

 

[ello]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805010577514799394

Encapsulates my thoughts on these two pretty well

 

[Kevin Musto]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805010577514799394

Encapsulates my thoughts on these two pretty well

And I thought I loved Stiga

Christ

 

[Geoist]

That article states that he has to get more physical at net front. It also states that overall, his compete level is sound.

Here's a report that is a bit less charitable on the compete front:

Where a gap is observed between [Reinbacher and Levshunov] is regarding their Compete-Level. This is the main reason why I prefer Reinbacher.

This is observed in various scenarios. First, Levshunov sometimes jumps into the offensive play and when the puck falls into the enemy’s hands and they begin a counterattack, he does not seem in any hurry to backcheck. During a sequence, a 4 against 2 took shape for the opposing team and it was a forward who assumed the defensive backcheck. Levshunov arrived a few seconds later, sliding down.

The most notable difference between the two, however, is how they will accept contact in order to protect the puck. This was one of the things I loved most of Reinbacher last year. In the case of Levshunov, I saw him get rid of the puck softly because he didn’t want to get hit. This is an integral part of a player’s Compete-Level for me.

I have continually questioned myself with Levshunov this season. At times, I was ready to forgive him for everything I had criticized him for early in the year, but now that I have a portrait of his entire season, I must note that it is a player who is quite inconsistent in his desire to compete.

Artyom Levshunov : In-Depth Scouting Report

Artyom Levshunov : In-Depth Scouting Report - TSLH -

www.toutsurlehockey.com

 

[Giovi]

Here's a report that is a bit less charitable on the compete front:

Where a gap is observed between [Reinbacher and Levshunov] is regarding their Compete-Level. This is the main reason why I prefer Reinbacher.

This is observed in various scenarios. First, Levshunov sometimes jumps into the offensive play and when the puck falls into the enemy’s hands and they begin a counterattack, he does not seem in any hurry to backcheck. During a sequence, a 4 against 2 took shape for the opposing team and it was a forward who assumed the defensive backcheck. Levshunov arrived a few seconds later, sliding down.

The most notable difference between the two, however, is how they will accept contact in order to protect the puck. This was one of the things I loved most of Reinbacher last year. In the case of Levshunov, I saw him get rid of the puck softly because he didn’t want to get hit. This is an integral part of a player’s Compete-Level for me.

I have continually questioned myself with Levshunov this season. At times, I was ready to forgive him for everything I had criticized him for early in the year, but now that I have a portrait of his entire season, I must note that it is a player who is quite inconsistent in his desire to compete.

Artyom Levshunov : In-Depth Scouting Report

Artyom Levshunov : In-Depth Scouting Report - TSLH -

www.toutsurlehockey.com

Here's some of the same site's take on Demidov:

""What worries me the most about him is that at the moment he noticeably lacks physical strength. This carries over into three different aspects within his game;

First, this penalizes him in physical confrontations, having difficulty gaining the upper hand over his opponent along the boards or in the corners.

Second, this lack of strength is also observed in his shot. I briefly touched the subject earlier on, but Demidov’s shot is not strong enough at the moment to threaten the goalkeepers. This could significantly limit his ‘Ceiling’ in terms of point production at the next level.


And finally, most importantly to me, Demidov lacks what we call separation speed. He is not a player who generates a lot of power with each stride and this means that he presents some difficulty getting away from his coverer by creating distance with his acceleration. He is forced to be a one-speed player. (His skating mechanics need a little work too since he skates while being too hunched over.)""

 

[Geoist]

Here's some of the same site's take on Demidov:

""What worries me the most about him is that at the moment he noticeably lacks physical strength. This carries over into three different aspects within his game;

First, this penalizes him in physical confrontations, having difficulty gaining the upper hand over his opponent along the boards or in the corners.

Second, this lack of strength is also observed in his shot. I briefly touched the subject earlier on, but Demidov’s shot is not strong enough at the moment to threaten the goalkeepers. This could significantly limit his ‘Ceiling’ in terms of point production at the next level.


And finally, most importantly to me, Demidov lacks what we call separation speed. He is not a player who generates a lot of power with each stride and this means that he presents some difficulty getting away from his coverer by creating distance with his acceleration. He is forced to be a one-speed player. (His skating mechanics need a little work too since he skates while being too hunched over.)""

I'm not as concerned about 'physicality at #2 as I am about compete and hockey IQ. Typically you get your physical players later in the draft.