Levshunov is comparable to ? Demidov is comparable to ?

[dj Mahoney]

Levshunov / Bogosian is mentioned and I tend to lean towards . Owen Power Ive seen and see nothing in common . Demidov Ive seen /Dasyuk , Kucherov . I can see both these guys in his play .

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[WarriorofTime]

Pietrangelo, Burns, Seider

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

IMO

Levshunov = A more offensively talented Dmitri Mironov
Deminov = A smaller better all around Alexei Kovalev

 

[Taze em]

Levshunov= Nic Lidstrom
Demidov= Stanislav Chistov

 

[Kevin Musto]

Levshunov= Nic Lidstrom

lol

 

[bwanajamba]

Pietrangelo is a decent comp for Levshunov's high end outcome. Don't think he will be a perennial Norris guy but could be a very very good two-way D. Maybe he settles into like a Seabrook level if he's very good but doesn't quite hit his ceiling

Demidov, stylistic comps are tough- I think he's more athletically gifted + competitive and less purely cerebral than a Kucherov or Kane type. I can see the Datsyuk comparison I suppose but that's a lofty projection for his (or any junior player's) defense

 

[clydesdale line]

I see Seth Jones in Levshunov. Some might frown upon that, but Seth is a good defenseman. He would look alot better in some peoples eyes making 8.6 mil less like Levshunov would be.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Pietrangelo is a decent comp for Levshunov's high end outcome. Don't think he will be a perennial Norris guy but could be a very very good two-way D. Maybe he settles into like a Seabrook level if he's very good but doesn't quite hit his ceiling

Demidov, stylistic comps are tough- I think he's more athletically gifted + competitive and less purely cerebral than a Kucherov or Kane type. I can see the Datsyuk comparison I suppose but that's a lofty projection for his (or any junior player's) defense

Comparisons for prospects have usually seemed off to me but I especially can't take it seriously when people say someone is going to be like Datsyuk. That guy may have had one of the most unique skill-sets we'll ever see in the league, or at least it'll be extraordinarily rare to see a guy like him again.

A 6TH round draft pick who came out of nowwhere. He had genius level offensive AND defensive awareness, some of the filthiest hands we've ever seen, simultaneously deadly on offense while being a Selke candidate and winner regularly.

I don't know anything about prospects but I'd imagine it's very tough to live up to those sorts of expectations if fans are expecting a Datsyuk-esque playstyle from Demidov.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Comparisons for prospects have usually seemed off to me but I especially can't take it seriously when people say someone is going to be like Datsyuk. That guy may have had one of the most unique skill-sets we'll ever see in the league, or at least it'll be extraordinarily rare to see a guy like him again.

A 6TH round draft pick who came out of nowwhere. He had genius level offensive AND defensive awareness, some of the filthiest hands we've ever seen, simultaneously deadly on offense while being a Selke candidate and winner regularly.

I don't know anything about prospects but I'd imagine it's very tough to live up to those sorts of expectations if fans are expecting a Datsyuk-esque playstyle from Demidov.

I appreciate you putting it into words. Like nobody compares to Datsyuk. He's Zegras hands with Toews brain. Some guys are just unicorns. Always felt that way about Kane. He didn't just score a lot. He scored a lot in a fast game by slowing the game down. Zetterberg reminds me of Barkov.

 

[bwanajamba]

I think the Datsyuk thing is just Demidov having elite hands, being Russian and not fitting into an easy archetype for comparison to someone else. I agree it's a pretty silly comparison for a junior player and I doubt Demidov looks much like Datsyuk as a pro overall. But I can see some similarities on-puck in terms of relentlessly attacking the middle with skill and creativity despite not having MacKinnon or McDavid-level athletic gifts.

 

[Darkstar]

I see Seth Jones in Levshunov. Some might frown upon that, but Seth is a good defenseman. He would look alot better in some peoples eyes making 8.6 mil less like Levshunov would be.

I think that's a pretty good comparison. I think Demidov reminds me somewhat of Kaprizov.

 

[kmwtrucks]

there was a podcast I listened to on your tube Locked on Blackhawk's and a they had talent evaluator on. Seemed knowledgeable. . he also talks about 4 prospects. its a good listen,

he thinks it has to be Demidov if it was him. he gave him the only 10 rating of any skill in regard to his hands. he thinks Arytom is a top 3 Defenseman in this draft but not necessarily # 1

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

If Demidov is Datsyuk he's going first overall.

Like....Celebrini> Datsyuk? One of the most unique skill sets in the history of hockey and elite on both sides of the ice?

Good lord.

Demidov or Levs at two would both be reaches. These media manufactured hype trains are starting to become comedic. This is a weak draft after 1 and the only player with a shred of substance after Celebrini is Sily.

My current board;

Celebrini
Sily
Eiserman
Parkeh

Overall this draft will go down as one of the weakest. Good thing Davidson traded talent for blind lottery tickets.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Do you ever get bored of this schtick of yours? Clearly no.

 

[TLEH]

Can we merge our three draft discussions so I can not read three threads.

 

[kmwtrucks]

A wing playing in MHL is not going to go over a Center paying in NCAA and won the Hobey at 17. Pavel was 171 st pick overall. elite center is going to go above an elite wing. the draft top 5 this year is not as strong as last year. last years was top 3 in the last 10 years but once you get passed # 5 its basically equal. IE who ever goes 10th this year would go about 10th last year. this is a middle of the road class. but does have one strength and that is RD with Size which is a huge need for the hawks. So even if we go 2 and 20 as forwards there will be options in the 2nd round for 6-2 + RD that is a solid skater. Jirek, badinaka, emery elick gill brunieck roberts marrelli lavoie kiebler Arson tainsov. outside of Jirek that is 10 guys that could all go between 25-75 other marrelli they are 6-3 or 4" there are probably another 4 RD that do not fit the size KD wants so that is 14 RD over 50 picks. I want demidov and Jirek and if Jarik is gone hope a middle 5 forward is there Hage or Igor or Sascha at 34 the forwards don't look very strong unless someone slides

 

[Castle8130]

If Demidov is Datsyuk he's going first overall.

Like....Celebrini> Datsyuk? One of the most unique skill sets in the history of hockey and elite on both sides of the ice?

Good lord.

Demidov or Levs at two would both be reaches. These media manufactured hype trains are starting to become comedic. This is a weak draft after 1 and the only player with a shred of substance after Celebrini is Sily.

My current board;

Celebrini
Sily
Eiserman
Parkeh

Overall this draft will go down as one of the weakest. Good thing Davidson traded talent for blind lottery tickets.

There is something wrong with you to have Eiserman ahead of Demidov. I'm usually pretty open minded, but that is crazy to me. Eiserman might be available at our 20th oa pick and I'd still be hesitant to select him depending on who is there.

Demidov is going to be a star player. I see him as such a smash at #2. Levshunov is more of a #2-3D and Demidov is a very likely top line winger/center (if he develops as a C). That's how I see it at-least

Levshunov: As far as comparables, it's pretty hard to do stylistically. Levshunov has an elite frame and elite footpacing. He has a strong stick defensively and is great at bringing physicality to the game. His skating overall is above average. I do worry a lot about his hockey IQ. Offensively, he doesn't make any big brain plays. He kind of just fires the puck towards the net with a strong wist shot or attempts a seam pass with his really strong passes. I use strong twice here because he is built and gets good use out of his strength to apply it appropriately. His compete can be questionable at times too. He will lack any sense of urgency from time to time and give up some high danger chances. The turn-over rate is also pretty high. He relies a ton on his strength to push the puck past traffic, but he will throw the puck into a lot of dangerous areas. This results in some really bad turnovers.

I worry a lot about the Hawks selecting him for some of the red flags I mentioned above, but also because Grant Mckegg, who is really close with scouts that monitor Levshunov, has him outside his top 10. I don't view Mckeggs rankings as the gospel, but it scares me that he knows Levshunov very well and has a ton of information on the guy. His hockey IQ and compete are some huge red flags I wouldn't gamble on.


Demidov: This kid was insane in his MHL season this year. I tracked a few games of his at the beginning of the season and saw a kid that controlled the puck with ease, made 1 too many moves (after being sent down), and ultimately turned the puckover too much because he was getting too fancy. It really seemed like being sent down annoyed him to the point where he felt too good for the league. I don't even blame him for the ridiculous situation. Near December he really started to get his game back. He was making incredibly crafty plays. Elite edgework, amazing vision, elite hands, and hockey IQ off the charts. You could tell his top speed improved as well. He started to really fly down the ice. Every game he had like 4-8 high danger chances. He was by far the best MHL player in the regular season. Then playoffs came and not only was he good there, he was terrific! The difference between MHL regular season and playoffs is quite dramatic. All of the KHL/VHL U20 talent got sent down to play for the MHL teams once they were no longer needed. Since the MHL is so top heavy, the semi-finals and finals are equivalent to playing the best CHL teams (maybe even better). Demidov was still hyper-efficient and created countless scoring chances. He led his team to win a championship, but unfortunately got injured the 2nd to last game.

There aren't really any concerns in his game. The one thing I heard was his top-speed, but he isn't slow either. He might not be too tall, but he is strong. Seldom do you see him get knocked over by opponents. I really hope we pick him

 

[kmwtrucks]

There is something wrong with you to have Eiserman ahead of Demidov. I'm usually pretty open minded, but that is crazy to me. Eiserman might be available at our 20th oa pick and I'd still be hesitant to select him depending on who is there.

Demidov is going to be a star player. I see him as such a smash at #2. Levshunov is more of a #2-3D and Demidov is a very likely top line winger/center (if he develops as a C). That's how I see it at-least

Levshunov: As far as comparables, it's pretty hard to do stylistically. Levshunov has an elite frame and elite footpacing. He has a strong stick defensively and is great at bringing physicality to the game. His skating overall is above average. I do worry a lot about his hockey IQ. Offensively, he doesn't make any big brain plays. He kind of just fires the puck towards the net with a strong wist shot or attempts a seam pass with his really strong passes. I use strong twice here because he is built and gets good use out of his strength to apply it appropriately. His compete can be questionable at times too. He will lack any sense of urgency from time to time and give up some high danger chances. The turn-over rate is also pretty high. He relies a ton on his strength to push the puck past traffic, but he will throw the puck into a lot of dangerous areas. This results in some really bad turnovers.

I worry a lot about the Hawks selecting him for some of the red flags I mentioned above, but also because Grant Mckegg, who is really close with scouts that monitor Levshunov, has him outside his top 10. I don't view Mckeggs rankings as the gospel, but it scares me that he knows Levshunov very well and has a ton of information on the guy. His hockey IQ and compete are some huge red flags I wouldn't gamble on.


Demidov: This kid was insane in his MHL season this year. I tracked a few games of his at the beginning of the season and saw a kid that controlled the puck with ease, made 1 too many moves (after being sent down), and ultimately turned the puckover too much because he was getting too fancy. It really seemed like being sent down annoyed him to the point where he felt too good for the league. I don't even blame him for the ridiculous situation. Near December he really started to get his game back. He was making incredibly crafty plays. Elite edgework, amazing vision, elite hands, and hockey IQ off the charts. You could tell his top speed improved as well. He started to really fly down the ice. Every game he had like 4-8 high danger chances. He was by far the best MHL player in the regular season. Then playoffs came and not only was he good there, he was terrific! The difference between MHL regular season and playoffs is quite dramatic. All of the KHL/VHL U20 talent got sent down to play for the MHL teams once they were no longer needed. Since the MHL is so top heavy, the semi-finals and finals are equivalent to playing the best CHL teams (maybe even better). Demidov was still hyper-efficient and created countless scoring chances. He led his team to win a championship, but unfortunately got injured the 2nd to last game.

There aren't really any concerns in his game. The one thing I heard was his top-speed, but he isn't slow either. He might not be too tall, but he is strong. Seldom do you see him get knocked over by opponents. I really hope we pick him

I think his speed is on par with Bedard. Bedard is a good skater but does not have elite top speed for 5-10 player. Demidov change of direction with the puck on his stick seems to freeze players like I have not seen. its not even that he sold them on Right and went left it happens so quick they defender does not even move. you throw in a high motor and at least a solid commitment for D. He is player that is top line talent with really no risk. is he going to be 70pt wing or 100 is the only question. both of which are top line. everybody after him the projection is top line to 2nd line for the forwards 50-80 and the D are either top line(i dont see any true #1) #2- #4 IE a few PP specialists in there without size or some size guys that dont project high end OFF.

 

[BHawk21]

It feels like Demidov has very similar style to Bedard...

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

There is something wrong with you to have Eiserman ahead of Demidov.

Hmmm

you mean the GOAT NTDP goal scorer of all time? That Cole Eiserman?

The concensus best goal scorer in the draft?

Demidov is going to be a star player.

Calling it now-

Demidovs game will not translate to the NHL. Being a talent in a beer league, and no offense, the MHL is an underage beer league no matter if the league is divided between good and bad teams. His competition sucks.

One hand- Sily playing against grown ass men at 17.

Other hand- Demidov dominating kids whos future is bagging groceries or shagging runaway shopping carts.

Its right in front of everyone's faces, but many will look past it.

I really hope we pick him

I dont.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Hmmm

you mean the GOAT NTDP goal scorer of all time? That Cole Eiserman?

The concensus best goal scorer in the draft?



Calling it now-

Demidovs game will not translate to the NHL. Being a talent in a beer league, and no offense, the MHL is an underage beer league no matter if the league is divided between good and bad teams. His competition sucks.

One hand- Sily playing against grown ass men at 17.

Other hand- Demidov dominating kids whos future is bagging groceries or shagging runaway shopping carts.

Its right in front of everyone's faces, but many will look past it.

I dont.

What's your top twenty?

 

[Castle8130]

Hmmm

you mean the GOAT NTDP goal scorer of all time? That Cole Eiserman?

The concensus best goal scorer in the draft?



Calling it now-

Demidovs game will not translate to the NHL. Being a talent in a beer league, and no offense, the MHL is an underage beer league no matter if the league is divided between good and bad teams. His competition sucks.

One hand- Sily playing against grown ass men at 17.

Other hand- Demidov dominating kids whos future is bagging groceries or shagging runaway shopping carts.

Its right in front of everyone's faces, but many will look past it.

I dont.

We are not alike. I do really like Parekh though.

I guess we just couldn't be more far apart in our opinions and good for you for sticking with your guns. I'm more of a Celebrini/Demidov/Buium supporter than the guys you mentioned. I'd throw Parekh in my top 6 somewhere, but we clearly just have a difference of opinion

 

[WarriorofTime]

There is something wrong with you to have Eiserman ahead of Demidov.

He is just laying the groundwork to say how Davidson is dumb and made a bad pick so that when Eiserman scores some goals in NCAA next year he can continue saying how stupid it was.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Hmmm

you mean the GOAT NTDP goal scorer of all time? That Cole Eiserman?

The concensus best goal scorer in the draft?



Calling it now-

Demidovs game will not translate to the NHL. Being a talent in a beer league, and no offense, the MHL is an underage beer league no matter if the league is divided between good and bad teams. His competition sucks.

One hand- Sily playing against grown ass men at 17.

Other hand- Demidov dominating kids whos future is bagging groceries or shagging runaway shopping carts.

Its right in front of everyone's faces, but many will look past it.

I dont.

every minior league has alot of players that are never going to play pro hockey. He was the best player in the league last year. and he followed up with an even bigger year when he was probably not that motivated since he should have been in the KHL. Also for the playoffs all the good russians that are younger move down from KHL to MHL and he dominated just as much. he cant control where SKA puts in all he can do is play hard and not whine and he did that. most 17 year olds would not put in the effort. I agree he does moves to MHL players that are not going to work as often in the NHL but that is true with every player. the puck on his stick is kane like. it never bounces. its like it has super glue on it.

 

[DANOZ28]

i would guess demidov is comparable to kaprizov.