OT: Let's talk about Movies and TV Shows, Part XXX (...how can this possibly go wrong)

[sandviper]

Andor is such a magnificent show.

Basically in my head the prequel trilogy is now: Andor S1, Andor S2, Rogue One.

For those who haven't watched it: it's set in the Star Wars universe, but without Jedi's and lightsabers. It's about the origins of resistance movement against the Empire before it formally becomes the rebel alliance. It plays as character driven WWII resistance story.

You don't even really need prior Star Wars knowledge other than that the Empire is a fascist dictatorship. Though there are several easter eggs for the SW nerds throughout.

10/10 strongly recommend.

I just finished watching season 2 and i agree with you. The best Star Wars "universe" show i have seen. It's like Star Wars for adult. Now i need to rewatch Rogue One!

The last four episodes were FANTASTIC, with the hospital episode being my favourite. Rogue One is still my favourite “Disney” Star Wars movie.

 

[Knackys]

The last four episodes were FANTASTIC, with the hospital episode being my favourite. Rogue One is still my favourite “Disney” Star Wars movie.

I just re-watched Rogue One and while i agree with you that it's the probably the best "Disney" Star Wars movie, i can't help but think that Andor was clearly on another level. Your right, the hospital episode was great, the Ghorman episode was amazing, i also loved the speech episode. BTW the actress playing Dedra Meero was really good, her facials expressions were something else haha,

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Couldn't disagree more. The good bye scene between Jim and Kim was perfect.

Jimmy re-gained his conscience although he lost his freedom, and thus re-gained Kim's respect.

The truth is that Jimmy was not an evil man, although he did evil things. Walter White was evil, HIS decision to save Jesse was out of character way more than what Jimmy did.

Jimmy was pretty evil. He did a lot of evil shit.

I'm watching John Hamm's new series on Apple TV, Your Friends and Neighbors, and I like it so far.

It's good!

One of my all time favourite shows growing up

Also, 32 years ago today was the final episode

I remember it like it was yesterday.

 

[Runner77]

Saw the first couple of episodes of Murderbot, It's a quirky show to be sure. The main character shows a lot of traits found in autism when it comes to relating with people. He's funny and sarcastic. Worth checking out, imo.

Was waiting for more episodes before posting about it but even with only two episodes having aired, it looks promising.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Jimmy was pretty evil. He did a lot of evil shit.

Yeah, but deep down he meant good. Walter was just a psychopathic piece of shit, like Fring and the Salamancas.

 

[Habs]

I'm watching John Hamm's new series on Apple TV, Your Friends and Neighbors, and I like it so far.

Loved Mad Men, I'll check it out. Thanks Gramps

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah, but deep down he meant good. Walter was just a psychopathic piece of shit, like Fring and the Salamancas.

They are two sides of the same coin. They see themselves as the good guy but they do terrible things.

Jimmy gaslit his brother and Howard bringing about their deaths. He turned into a crooked lawyer... he's a piece of shit. Yeah, they made him loveable because he told jokes and was funny but he was an evil dude.

Did Walter mean to do good? It started out that way right? They named him Walter White for a reason.

Walter sold drugs. Jimmy broke the law to help him do it... same thing.

 

[BenchBrawl]

They are two sides of the same coin. They see themselves as the good guy but they do terrible things.

Jimmy gaslit his brother and Howard bringing about their deaths. He turned into a crooked lawyer... he's a piece of shit. Yeah, they made him loveable because he told jokes and was funny but he was an evil dude.

Did Walter mean to do good? It started out that way right? They named him Walter White for a reason.

Walter sold drugs. Jimmy broke the law to help him do it... same thing.

Deep down I think Jimmy deserved better, whereas I think Walter White deserved f*** all. Walter was a worm and a coward and then he become this giant psychopath through a sequence of extreme luck and crazy moves, to compensate for the spineless man that he had been.

Jimmy was a hustler, always working on some project and trying moves, good or bad. Taking risks, giving his all. It was his nature. This increasingly led him a slippery slope that turned out evil but you feel with Jimmy it could have gone the other way too, with better situational luck.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Deep down I think Jimmy deserved better, whereas I think Walter White deserved f*** all. Walter was a worm and a coward and then he become this giant psychopath through a sequence of extreme luck and crazy moves, to compensate for the spineless man that he had been.

Jimmy was a hustler, always working on some project and trying moves, good or bad. Taking risks, giving his all. It was his nature. This increasingly led him a slippery slope that turned out evil but you feel with Jimmy it could have gone the other way too, with better situational luck.

Not sure why you give Jimmy that pass.

If Walter doesn't get cancer, does he turn to crime? No. He just lives out a boring existence as a high school teacher after his pals kind of cheated him out of a fortune.

Jimmy is a crook from the very beginning. There's no reason to do the things he does other than he likes to do it. It leads to some dark places and dark consequences but he's responsible for all of it.

If you're going to go after Walter for selling drugs, you have to hold Jimmy just as accountable. He's doing the exact same thing. It's not like he was following the principle of the law... he was an active participant. Just as bad. And his gaslighting is reprehensible.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Not sure why you give Jimmy that pass.

If Walter doesn't get cancer, does he turn to crime? No. He just lives out a boring existence as a high school teacher after his pals kind of cheated him out of a fortune.

Jimmy is a crook from the very beginning. There's no reason to do the things he does other than he likes to do it. It leads to some dark places and dark consequences but he's responsible for all of it.

If you're going to go after Walter for selling drugs, you have to hold Jimmy just as accountable. He's doing the exact same thing. It's not like he was following the principle of the law... he was an active participant. Just as bad.

The pass I'm giving him is metaphysical. He still deserved a life sentence in prison for his impact on other humans and society at large.

But I think Jimmy gave a better shot at life than Walter did. And his redemption arc was more credible than Walt's.

I don't care that Walt sold drugs, that's not why I call him a psychopath. Selling drugs is nothing.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The pass I'm giving him is metaphysical. He still deserved a life sentence in prison for his impact on other humans and society at large.

But I think Jimmy gave a better shot at life than Walter did. And his redemption arc was more credible than Walt's.

I don't care that Walt sold drugs, that's not why I call him a psychopath. Selling drugs is nothing.

He wasn't selling weed. Selling drugs caused all kinds of misery for a lot of people. Crystal meth is incredibly addictive and destructive. It's a horrible crime. And then of course there was all the murdering that went along with it.

If you want to say Walter's crimes were worse that's fine. But Jimmy facilitated all of it. And he has a whole bunch of other shit to answer for as well.

Great that he sacrificed himself for Kim. Walt did the same for Jesse. It doesn't redeem either one of them.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He wasn't selling weed. Selling drugs caused all kinds of misery for a lot of people. Crystal meth is incredibly addictive and destructive. It's a horrible crime. And then of course there was all the murdering that went along with it.

If you want to say Walter's crimes were worse that's fine. But Jimmy facilitated all of it. And he has a whole bunch of other shit to answer for as well.

Great that he sacrificed himself for Kim. Walt did the same for Jesse. It doesn't redeem either one of them.

Walt's greatest crime was putting his family in horrifying danger to flatter his ego.

Jimmy didn't as actively made decisions to get stuck in with the cartel and stuff, IIRC. It kind of fell on him, didn't it? I may misremember.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Walt's greatest crime was putting his family in horrifying danger to flatter his ego.

Jimmy didn't as actively made decisions to get stuck in with the cartel and stuff, IIRC. It kind of fell on him, didn't it? I may misremember.

Jimmy gaslit his own brother into suicide. He gaslit Howard for no real reason other than for fun, ruining the guy.

And then he became a sheister lawyer...

I have no problem if you want to say Walter's worse. He ordered the murders of people and commited murder himself. Watched Jesse's girlfriend die... yeah, he's evil. But it's interesting to think that none of it would've happened if he just had some health insurance.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Jimmy gaslit his own brother into suicide. He gaslit Howard for no real reason other than for fun, ruining the guy.

And then he became a sheister lawyer...

I have no problem if you want to say Walter's worse. He ordered the murders of people and commited murder himself. Watched Jesse's girlfriend die... yeah, he's evil. But it's interesting to think that none of it would've happened if he just had some health insurance.

His brother was a dick. The arc with Howard was weird, felt like writers needed to add it for filler.

You're right I guess, it's not like I think he's a great guy.

 

[sandviper]

I just re-watched Rogue One and while i agree with you that it's the probably the best "Disney" Star Wars movie, i can't help but think that Andor was clearly on another level. Your right, the hospital episode was great, the Ghorman episode was amazing, i also loved the speech episode. BTW the actress playing Dedra Meero was really good, her facials expressions were something else haha,

100% agree. I loved Rogue One but halfway through a rewatch it does feel very rushed and a little disjointed after the slow burn in Andor.

Yes, the senate escape and Ghorman massacre were also peak episodes.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Once again, I am advocating for people to watch The Studio.

Hilarious show.

 

[Habs Icing]

Once again, I am advocating for people to watch The Studio.

Hilarious show.

Yeah, it's an excellent show. But not for everyone.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

His brother was a dick.

So he deserved what he got?

All those prisoners Walt killed were dicks too. Does he get a pass for that?

The arc with Howard was weird, felt like writers needed to add it for filler.

You're right I guess, it's not like I think he's a great guy.

He's a piece of shit. He's funny, charismatic and there are elements of good to him (just like with Walt) but that doesn't mean he's a good person.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Once again, I am advocating for people to watch The Studio.

Hilarious show.

It's okay. I like Friends and Neighbours better.

I find the Studio to be a lot like Curb Your Enthusiasm and I was never really a big fan of that one. It's basically cringe humour... not my thing. I'm sure others will love it though.

 

[windycity]

Once again, I am advocating for people to watch The Studio.

Hilarious show.

I was just gonna post about it. A couple of the middle episodes were middling but otherwise great. Sal Sapperstein is awesome

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's okay. I like Friends and Neighbours better.

I find the Studio to be a lot like Curb Your Enthusiasm and I was never really a big fan of that one. It's basically cringe humour... not my thing. I'm sure others will love it though.

Oh yeah, if you don't like Curb or that vein of comedy, it's not for you.

I was just gonna post about it. A couple of the middle episodes were middling but otherwise great. Sal Sapperstein is awesome

When he was memed and everyone was thanking him, gold.

 

[windycity]

Oh yeah, if you don't like Curb or that vein of comedy, it's not for you.



When he was memed and everyone was thanking him, gold.

Yeah I knew early he was going to be my favorite character. But they're all good

 

[Habs]

His brother was a dick. The arc with Howard was weird, felt like writers needed to add it for filler.

You're right I guess, it's not like I think he's a great guy.

Man I thought Chuck was a great guy, a real professional who spotted Jimmy's bullshit and knew what he would do with an inch. Did he not vouch for Jimmy to get the job ? Why did you dislike Chuck? When Jimmy sabotaged Chuck's comeback with the Mesa Verde address change, I was disgusted with him as a character lol

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Didn't feel right at all. Hated how Howard ended, .. the awful plot to destroy him via Jimmy and Kim was so weak. So they steal Howards car, and say he's picking up hookers.. but traffic cams could totally bust Jimmy

The show isn't set in 2025. It's set somewhere between 2000 and 2003, hence the Fight Club reference in season 4 (iirc). Traffic cams were much less prevelant then, on top of the fact Jimmy does the deed halfway between two traffic lights, when he stops to dump Wendy the hooker, on a relatively small road, not a boulevard.

and prove Howard was anywhere but in the car lol. You know, Jimmy's prints were in the car.. and a smart guy like Howard could easily have it dusted since he knew Jimmy was trying to sabotage his life.

Even though Jimmy has a criminal record in an another state (Illinois), he doesn't have one in New Mexico because of the pre-prosecution agreement. Any which way, Howard would need to either hire someone to snatch Jimmy's fingerprints to make a match, or do something illegal to gain access to his criminal record and prints, which is out of character for Howard. It's also relevant to mention that despite the stoic facade and fake smiles, Howard is actually very emotional (we see many scenes developing this). He's also in the midst of a sorta-seperation with his wife and consulting a shrink, so we know Howard is in emotional turmoil at the time of the scam and since it's Jimmy, with whom he also has quite an extensive history with, Howard isn't thinking clearly. It's personal. It goes back to Jimmy spoofing Howard's looks on the billboard, Jimmy pressuring him to settle Sandpiper, Jimmy pulling the address scam on the Mesa Verde files, sending the hookers at Forque's, the bowling balls on his car, the 'bacterium' Jimmy blowout when Howard offers him a job (my avy), and so much more.

Better Call Saul is about attention to details, and if you remember all those tiny character development that add-up, everything was set-up properly.

The writing fell off so hard, went from such a smart show to ... The black and white 'artistic' filming for the odd store robberies.. just to end his character arc so quickly. Kim's character deserved so much worse for her role in everything, I felt robbed.

Deserved much worst? She created her own little hell. Look back at her interview with Schweikart (the formal one, not the informal one with the Russian mules). and she mentions where she comes from and why she moved to ABQ. She loathed the small town destiny she had. That's exactly the life she created after leaving ABQ. Small town, boring husband, boring job. She also came clean and was ready to live with the consequences and she also started doing pro bono work to redeem herself. It's never said if she was sued by Howard's wife either, which would've wiped her clean of any money she'd have.

My only true problem with season 6 is how stupid Jimmy is at the end of his stint in Omaha. He breaks his own rules to steal the cancer guy and makes mistakes on top of mistakes from that point on. His arrest was a bit forced. Still, it gave some incredible moments, like when he's confronted by Jeff's mother. For a short moment, you get the feeling Jimmy's gonna cross the line and strangle her to death. He doesn't, even though not killing her majorly raises the odds he would get caught. So your whole qualm about morals is undeserved. Jimmy didn't cross that line, because he does have empathy and in the end wanted to be Kim's knight in shining armor because he still loves her.

Then he gets a sweet settlement offer, but .. he rediscovers his morals lol.. come on!

She's the love of his life. It's not about morals. I thought it was obvious.

 

[Habs]

The show isn't set in 2025. It's set somewhere between 2000 and 2003, hence the Fight Club reference in season 4 (iirc). Traffic cams were much less prevelant then, on top of the fact Jimmy does the deed halfway between two traffic lights, when he stops to dump Wendy the hooker, on a relatively small road, not a boulevard.



Even though Jimmy has a criminal record in an another state (Illinois), he doesn't have one in New Mexico because of the pre-prosecution agreement. Any which way, Howard would need to either hire someone to snatch Jimmy's fingerprints to make a match, or do something illegal to gain access to his criminal record and prints, which is out of character for Howard. It's also relevant to mention that despite the stoic facade and fake smiles, Howard is actually very emotional (we see many scenes developing this). He's also in the midst of a sorta-seperation with his wife and consulting a shrink, so we know Howard is in emotional turmoil at the time of the prank and since it's Jimmy, with whom he also has quite an extensive history with, Howard isn't thinking clearly. It's personal. It goes back to Jimmy spoofing Howard's looks on the billboard, Jimmy pressuring him to settle Sandpiper, Jimmy pulling the address scam on the Mesa Verde files, sending the hookers at Forque's, the bowling balls on his car, the 'bacterium' Jimmy blowout when Howard offers him a job (my avy), and so much more.

Better Call Saul is about attention to details, and if you remember all those tiny character development that add-up, everything was set-up properly.



Deserved much worst? She created her own little hell. Look back at her interview with Schweikart (the formal one, not the informal one with the Russian mules). and she mentions where she comes from and why she moved to ABQ. She loathed the small town destiny she had. That's exactly the life she created after leaving ABQ. Small town, boring husband, boring job. She also came clean and was ready to live with the consequences and she also started doing pro bono work to redeem herself. It's never said if she was sued by Howard's wife either, which would've wiped her clean of any money she'd have.

My only true problem with season 6 is how stupid Jimmy is at the end of his stint in Omaha. He breaks his own rules to steal the cancer guy and makes mistakes on top of mistakes from that point on. His arrest was a bit forced. Still, it gave some incredible moments, like when he's confronted by Jeff's mother. For a short moment, you get the feeling Jimmy's gonna cross the line and strangle her to death. He doesn't, even though not killing her majorly raises the odds he would get caught. So your whole qualm about morals is undeserved. Jimmy didn't cross that line, because he does have empathy and in the end wanted to be Kim's knight in shining armor because he still loves her.



She's the love of his life. It's not about morals. I thought it was obvious.

I have a rebuttal to everything you posted but I have to poop, and its hard to do such a long reply on my phone