Let’s talk about Lafreniere. What kind of player is he turning into?

[Adam da bomb]

Can you create a list of teams that within 6 years of STARTING a rebuild have gotten to where Rangers have gotten?

Shouldn't take long...there'll probably only be 1 team on it.

But I can make you a very, very long list of teams that have been rebuilding for significantly longer and haven't gotten close to what Rangers have achieved.

Edit: also, creativity is NOT trading your one top 6 forward that actually looks like a playoff performer. That's stupidity actually.

Having fox force his way onto the team did help a lot. So it’s not just all because of new york’s great decisions.

 

[Grifter3511]

Having fox force his way onto the team did help a lot. So it’s not just all because of new york’s great decisions.

Nor am I saying it is and it actually supports my point. To say 'Rangers window is closed in 5 years with or without Lafreniere,' is dumb because you have no idea what will happen over those 5 years (with Fox being a perfect example). That was my whole point

 

[Adam da bomb]

Nor am I saying it is and it actually supports my point. To say 'Rangers window is closed in 5 years with or without Lafreniere,' is dumb because you have no idea what will happen over those 5 years (with Fox being a perfect example). That was my whole point

I apologize I misunderstood the conversation. What you are saying is true, and it’s not the self congratulatory post I first thought it was.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

People should never underestimate how long it can take for coaches to make changes to established lineups too. Travis Green kept going back to an old Alex freakin Edler over Quinn Hughes on the PP for a couple months before he finally gave up, and that’s where the young player was way better than the vet option

Gotta respect your Edler's.

 

[Grifter3511]

I apologize I misunderstood the conversation. What you are saying is true, and it’s not the self congratulatory post I first thought it was.

Yeah I can see how my point may have gotten buried in the rebuild talk.

My whole point there was to indicate how, in 2018, when Rangers announced a full on rebuild, a reasonable expectation is that in 5 years (despite what WarriorofTime would have us believe) or so the team may be battling for a playoff spot. A couple more years after that if the rebuild went well you're battling for top spot and the cup. But a series of events happened that took Rangers to the conference final after 4 years, not just battling for a wildcard spot. And if that can happen in 4 years, who knows what can happen in 5.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

How good would Laf be right now if he weren't drafted by an organization that's notoriously horrible at developing forwards?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Laff is a superstar. People look at his stats and say ehhh 57 points. But fail to realize he didnt play on pp1 because it was the best in hockey and if it aint broke…

He had more 5v5 goals than mcdavid this year. Kid is a stud

Yeah I can see how my point may have gotten buried in the rebuild talk.

My whole point there was to indicate how, in 2018, when Rangers announced a full on rebuild, a reasonable expectation is that in 5 years (despite what WarriorofTime would have us believe) or so the team may be battling for a playoff spot. A couple more years after that if the rebuild went well you're battling for top spot and the cup. But a series of events happened that took Rangers to the conference final after 4 years, not just battling for a wildcard spot. And if that can happen in 4 years, who knows what can happen in 5.

Good point. Rebuilds often take a while. The success and speed of which the rangers occurred is rare if not non-existent.

I mean look across the river, the devils have been rebuilding since obama’s first term.

 

[Grifter3511]

Laff is a superstar. People look at his stats and say ehhh 57 points. But fail to realize he didnt play on pp1 because it was the best in hockey and if it aint broke…

He had more 5v5 goals than mcdavid this year. Kid is a stud


Good point. Rebuilds often take a while. The success and speed of which the rangers occurred is rare if not non-existent.

I mean look across the river, the devils have been rebuilding since obama’s first term.

Fun fact: lafreniere had exactly as many even strength points this year as RNH last year in his career year when he got 104 points.

Good point. Rebuilds often take a while. The success and speed of which the rangers occurred is rare if not non-existent.

I mean look across the river, the devils have been rebuilding since obama’s first tertermlike

I mean, this is what, year 9 for mcdavid? And the rebuild didn't start with him. Oilers had been collecting 1st overalls for years before they landed a generational one.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He has improved points totals 4 years in a row . He is going from a trade 1 for 1 for a change of scenery to possibly a Gabriel Landeskog type keeper
He has truly impressed the later half of the season and playoffs . OMG and still only 22..lolol. I am a Ranger hater but this kid is becoming fun to watch . He has a long way to go?

I think he is getting going. If he has a good offseason of work especially on skating next season could be special.

 

[Grifter3511]

I think he is getting going. If he has a good offseason of work especially on skating next season could be special.

If Rangers don't let him go he's going to end up holding all Rangers career point records. That's both a compliment to him and a statement about Rangers shite history.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Can you create a list of teams that within 6 years of STARTING a rebuild have gotten to where Rangers have gotten?

Shouldn't take long...there'll probably only be 1 team on it.

But I can make you a very, very long list of teams that have been rebuilding for significantly longer and haven't gotten close to what Rangers have achieved.

Edit: also, creativity is NOT trading your one top 6 forward that actually looks like a playoff performer. That's stupidity actually.

What does this have to do with anything? Are you claiming the rangers are the greatest team ever or something? You are lacking a point. Lafreniere wasn’t much a playoff performer against the devils a year prior. Gee, almost like small samples aren’t worth reading too much into.

 

[Grifter3511]

What does this have to do with anything? Are you claiming the rangers are the greatest team ever or something? You are lacking a point. Lafreniere wasn’t much a playoff performer against the devils a year prior. Gee, almost like small samples aren’t worth reading too much into.

I guess I've always given you too much credit on here.

If the Rangers can go from announcing a rebuild to competing for the cup in 4 years, how can you so confidently state what a team will look like or where they will be in 5 years? You say the Rangers window will be shut, regardless, in 5 years. But by all intents and purposes it shouldn't even have been open the past 3 years based on where they were in 2018. So where did you buy your crystal ball and how much did you pay for it?

Is my point clear yet?

 

[UnSandvich]

Creativity is trading Lafreniere not just going “durr 22 years old, can’t trade”. 5 years ago they were rebuilding now they’re not rebuilding and competing? Yeah that’s how mostly successful rebuilds go? Your point is inane.

A man throwing dung at the wall and calling it art is creativity too. That doesn't make it any more intelligent.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I guess I've always given you too much credit on here.

If the Rangers can go from announcing a rebuild to competing for the cup in 4 years, how can you so confidently state what a team will look like or where they will be in 5 years? You say the Rangers window will be shut, regardless, in 5 years. But by all intents and purposes it shouldn't even have been open the past 3 years based on where they were in 2018. So where did you buy your crystal ball and how much did you pay for it?

Is my point clear yet?

No it’s even less clear than before. You fail to draw a reason why those two statements have anything to do with each other.

 

[Grifter3511]

No it’s even less clear than before. You fail to draw a reason why those two statements have anything to do with each other.

Yep....waaaayyyy too much credit.

Take care, it's been a pleasure.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Iginla (but not reaching his abilities)

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yep....waaaayyyy too much credit.

Take care, it's been a pleasure.

If you can make a coherent argument to anything I’ve said, feel free, otherwise, you have a good day as well.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can you create a list of teams that within 6 years of STARTING a rebuild have gotten to where Rangers have gotten?

Shouldn't take long...there'll probably only be 1 team on it.

But I can make you a very, very long list of teams that have been rebuilding for significantly longer and haven't gotten close to what Rangers have achieved.

Edit: also, creativity is NOT trading your one top 6 forward that actually looks like a playoff performer. That's stupidity actually.

Trocheck too but Trocheck's 30.

 

[Grifter3511]

If you can make a coherent argument to anything I’ve said, feel free, otherwise, you have a good day as well.

I'd much rather get back to talking about Lafreniere's bright future.

Did you know that Lafreniere actually has a higher playoff ppg than he does regular season? Not significantly higher, but it bodes well. A sign that he doesn't shrink when the space gets taken away and the intensity increases.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah I can see how my point may have gotten buried in the rebuild talk.

My whole point there was to indicate how, in 2018, when Rangers announced a full on rebuild, a reasonable expectation is that in 5 years (despite what WarriorofTime would have us believe) or so the team may be battling for a playoff spot. A couple more years after that if the rebuild went well you're battling for top spot and the cup. But a series of events happened that took Rangers to the conference final after 4 years, not just battling for a wildcard spot. And if that can happen in 4 years, who knows what can happen in 5.

In 5 years a 37 year old Panarin whose contract expires in 2 years will be playing with an old man in Lafreniere at *checks notes* 27 years of age.

 

[Grifter3511]

In 5 years a 37 year old Panarin whose contract expires in 2 years will be playing with an old man in Lafreniere at *checks notes* 27 years of age.

On a side note (since we're talking ages), when Gustav Forsling was K'andre Miller's age he wasn't even a full time nhler yet.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Own goals/60 off the charts.

Gosh. Shouldn't you be worrying more about Jack Hughes' long-term health?

A cotton ball can take that dude out for 15 games.

 

[Rsswmu]

What does this have to do with anything? Are you claiming the rangers are the greatest team ever or something? You are lacking a point. Lafreniere wasn’t much a playoff performer against the devils a year prior. Gee, almost like small samples aren’t worth reading too much into.

The Rangers played poorly for large stretches of the postseason and Lafreniere was almost a ppg player with minimal powerplay time. If you watched the games it wasn’t by accident either. Bar the 7 game sample size last year he has looked like a better player than his regular season play in both runs that they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals.

He has also been almost a ppg player for half a season without playing on the first powerplay unit as a 22 year old. You don’t trade players with his skill set, it’s a weird argument to make.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The Rangers played poorly for large stretches of the postseason and Lafreniere was almost a ppg player with minimal powerplay time. If you watched the games it wasn’t by accident either. Bar the 7 game sample size last year he has looked like a better player than his regular season play in both runs that they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals.

He has also been almost a ppg player for half a season without playing on the first powerplay unit as a 22 year old. You don’t trade players with his skill set, it’s a weird argument to make.

The only other option is to run it back and just hope it works out while Shesterkin is cheap, because they have limited options due to all the NTC/NMCs

 

[Rsswmu]

It's inarguable he took a step forward this season. Just the same, he had a hot playoffs and a season buoyed by a 120 point player and a near-PPG center on his line, where he was the clear third best player. He'll need to build on it next season.

I would say is the third best player on his line however looking at it through this lense minimizes what he did. Panarin and Trocheck played on the same line last year with each other and had 10 and 19 less even strength points compared to this year. Trocheck had 1 more even strength point than Laf this year. He is pulling his weight on the line.