Value of: Leon Draisaitl

[Filthy Dangles]

Ivan Provorov

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Slavin or McAvoy

 

[ChaoticOrange]

High. His value is very high.

This is the best and truest statement in this thread.

The Draisaitl equivalent in D form, preferably RHD. He moves for Seth Jones, an extended Karlsson (adding as needed) an extended Doughty (adding as needed), Roman Josi... or he doesn’t move.

Quantity offers need not apply. Just f*** right off with those.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Parayko + berglund or sobotka?
for
Drias and 2018 2nd?

I wouldnt mind this so much. Only problem is we come full circle to no replacement for Parayko

Negatory. Blues add something better than either of those two and Edmonton keeps its pick.

 

[Colt55]

Negatory. Blues add something better than either of those two and Edmonton keeps its pick.

I dont want to trade parayko anyway not sure why i through that out there. I am very content with keeping him.
If you think that Drais hold a ton more value then Parayko then we are just worlds apart.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I dont want to trade parayko anyway not sure why i through that out there. I am very content with keeping him.
If you think that Drais hold a ton more value then Parayko then we are just worlds apart.

I think he holds more value, yep. I don’t know about a ton more, but the guy that said Parayko+1st+Thompson is closer than you were.

Parayko’s good, but he took a step back. I see him more as a strong #2 and I’m only interested in the Pietrangelo’s of the world .

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think he holds more value, yep. I don’t know about a ton more, but the guy that said Parayko+1st+Thompson is closer than you were.

Parayko’s good, but he took a step back. I see him more as a strong #2 and I’m only interested in the Pietrangelo’s of the world .

He didn't take a step back, just didn't take a step forward.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He didn't take a step back, just didn't take a step forward.

That’s fair.

Do you agree that he’s more of a strong #2 than a stud #1 at this point?

 

[bleedblue1223]

That’s fair.

Do you agree that he’s more of a strong #2 than a stud #1 at this point?

He just hasn't had the opportunity. I think he'd perform just as well as he has in Petro's role, but no one can really say definitively that he'd be a stud #1 because he hasn't had that opportunity yet, and probably won't get it either.

The part of his game that is missing is being a force on the powerplay. Our powerplay was a disaster last season due to coaching IMO. We need to find a way to utilize his shot, and he needs to make sure it can be a consistent threat. If he does that, then he'll be a 45+ point that can play all situations and eat a ton of minutes.

Everything else in his game is top pairing quality IMO. I could see him being closer to prime level Seabrook than a Norris level type though.

 

[bluetuned]

I think at this point I consider Parayko a very good #2 rather than a #1, but he hasn't ever been put in the position of having to be the #1 since that is unquestionably Petro's job on this team.

That said... Draisaitl is in a similar situation. He's either been a 2C or a 1W. McDavid prevents him from really taking the duties of true 1C. It's not a knock on Draisaitl or his potential, but its the reality of the Oilers right now.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He just hasn't had the opportunity. I think he'd perform just as well as he has in Petro's role, but no one can really say definitively that he'd be a stud #1 because he hasn't had that opportunity yet, and probably won't get it either.

The part of his game that is missing is being a force on the powerplay. Our powerplay was a disaster last season due to coaching IMO. We need to find a way to utilize his shot, and he needs to make sure it can be a consistent threat. If he does that, then he'll be a 45+ point that can play all situations and eat a ton of minutes.

Everything else in his game is top pairing quality IMO. I could see him being closer to prime level Seabrook than a Norris level type though.

Sounds like the Oilers powerplay. It managed to turn a powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl that was deadly in 16-17 and render it absolutely ineffective.

Top pairing, certainly, but a no-doubter #1? I’m less sure about that, and that’s all I’d move Draisaitl for. Even then it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[bucks_oil]

Slavin or McAvoy

With all respect to these very fine young players, I consider Draisaitl a 22 year old #1C and would expect a young #1D in return. Slavin may be that, but I'd like to see more offense and McAvoy is still a work in progress with great potential. Neither of these would fetch Draisaitl 1for1.

 

[bluedevil58]

Hanafan would not be able to return Drai....

 

[bucks_oil]

He just hasn't had the opportunity. I think he'd perform just as well as he has in Petro's role, but no one can really say definitively that he'd be a stud #1 because he hasn't had that opportunity yet, and probably won't get it either.

The part of his game that is missing is being a force on the powerplay. Our powerplay was a disaster last season due to coaching IMO. We need to find a way to utilize his shot, and he needs to make sure it can be a consistent threat. If he does that, then he'll be a 45+ point that can play all situations and eat a ton of minutes.

Everything else in his game is top pairing quality IMO. I could see him being closer to prime level Seabrook than a Norris level type though.

Fair response. Seabrook is/was a great player and Parayko as well... but it still wouldn't make sense for Edmonton. We can run (and will probably HAVE TO run) cheap, half-decent wingers on McD/Drai's wings and still have a top offensive team. Our issue this year was defending (or rather puck movement), goaltending and a poorly coached PP... oh and a poorly manned PK. None of those are "one player away" issues, but moving Drai just would create a bigger problem.

I honestly don't think he's available for anything. But a young #1D is "fair".

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Sounds like the Oilers powerplay. It managed to turn a powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl that was deadly in 16-17 and render it absolutely ineffective.

Top pairing, certainly, but a no-doubter #1? I’m less sure about that, and that’s all I’d move Draisaitl for. Even then it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Usually they just rob Peter and he thanks them for it because he believes he made a good deal.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Top pairing, certainly, but a no-doubter #1? I’m less sure about that, and that’s all I’d move Draisaitl for. Even then it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I agree, he's not a stud #1 yet. If he never rounds out his PP portion of his game, then he'll never be a stud #1, but a good enough one if your team doesn't have anything better. Kind of like a Seabrook/McDonagh, someone who'll never actually push for a Norris, but will be in the conversation at times or at least top 20.

Luckily that is an aspect you can most live without because you can find offensive defensemen easier than real shutdowns types IMO, but that's why he's a notch below Draisaitl since he's had back to back 70+ point seasons.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Fair response. Seabrook is/was a great player and Parayko as well... but it still wouldn't make sense for Edmonton. We can run (and will probably HAVE TO run) cheap, half-decent wingers on McD/Drai's wings and still have a top offensive team. Our issue this year was defending (or rather puck movement), goaltending and a poorly coached PP... oh and a poorly manned PK. None of those are "one player away" issues, but moving Drai just would create a bigger problem.

I honestly don't think he's available for anything. But a young #1D is "fair".

I definitely agree. We are in the same boat, we can't move Parayko either, both would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[Brett44]

Barrie+ first round pick 2019 +Andrighetto
-Draisaitl

 

[A91]

I think edm would take colton parayko straight up.

No we would not

 

[Be a Hab]

Something around Shea Weber.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Usually they just rob Peter and he thanks them for it because he believes he made a good deal.

Low blow dude.

It’s like the other day a guy was bitching at me for ‘thinking I know more and could do a better job than NHL GM’s’.

I thought to myself - no, not all of them... but I NEVER would have dealt Hall for Larsson and nothing, or have dealt Eberle for Strome in the name of cap management, or bought out Pouliot for no particular reason then done nothing with the cap space gained.

Could I do a better job than most NHL GM’s? Probably not. Could I have done a better job than Chiarelli has done over the last two calendar years? I’m more confident about that, yes.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Something around Shea Weber.

No. Injuries, old, bad contract. You’d have to retain a good chunk - as in max allowable - and then add significantly. And even then I wouldn’t be ok dealing Draisaitl for a 33 year old coming back from a catastrophic injury that limited him to 26 games.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I agree, he's not a stud #1 yet. If he never rounds out his PP portion of his game, then he'll never be a stud #1, but a good enough one if your team doesn't have anything better. Kind of like a Seabrook/McDonagh, someone who'll never actually push for a Norris, but will be in the conversation at times or at least top 20.

Luckily that is an aspect you can most live without because you can find offensive defensemen easier than real shutdowns types IMO, but that's why he's a notch below Draisaitl since he's had back to back 70+ point seasons.

Agreed. Parayko is very good and certainly not terrible as the major piece for Drai but I’d hold out for more. After getting robbed blind for Hall and Eberle we badly need to win the next deal we make, and win it decisively.

 

[Aerrol]

Usually they just rob Peter and he thanks them for it because he believes he made a good deal.

lmao this got a good laugh out of me, and I'm an oilers fan. Well done.

 

[AvatarAang]

#1 RHD who is younger than 25 and signed long term.

No, I don't expect anyone to offer that but I don't care.

LOL a young #1 RHD, one of the most valuable assets in the league, for a 8.5M winger that has to play on a line with the best player in the world in order to put up points.