Leon Draisaitl is not having a good season, he's having a great season
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Video Nasty
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What do his stats need to be to satisfy your personal ritual?
McFlyingV
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Should be the hart favourite at this point of the season. First in goals. Second in points. Playing a great defensive game. I just don't see anyone who has out performed him at this point in the season. Kaprizov should also be in the conversation.
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GhostfaceWu
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He's top two in points and tops in goals what a monumentally stupid post.
Apparently there are stars in the top five for production that make less than 8.5 this year.
Oilslick941611
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hes still on his 8.5 contract. He doest make 14mil yet.
Pip
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He’s been a beast defensively and has been playing with Podkolzin and Kapanen as his wingers for a stretch now and a snake bitten Arvidsson early in the season. Sure he gets PP and the shifts on the loaded line after pks and in critical situations but he’s doing a ton with not a lot of help at evens. Clear MVP for the Oil so far. It’s incredibly what he’s doing. You expect it come playoff time but in recent years in the regular season he hasn’t played to this level. It’s great to watch.
tarheelhockey
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Who cares? OP didn’t say Draisaitl is leading the league in Points Per Dollar. OP said Draisaitl is having a great season, which he is.
Frank the Tank
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Love how Draisaitl walked into the league leading Minnesota's barn and big-manned them all game, resulting in a blowout win by the Oilers. It was his signature game in what has been a great season so far.
The Nuge
Some say…
You might want to look again because Draisaitl is actually the lowest paid of all the players in the top 5 in scoring. He’s also the lowest paid player among the top 5 in goals too
Draisaitl - 8.5mil AAV
MacKinnon - 12.6mil AAV
Kaprizov - 9mil AAV
Kucherov - 9.5mil AAV
Rantanen - 9.25mil AAV
So, Draisaitl earns less money than all of them, not the other way around. You're as wrong as it's possible to be wrong.
As an Oilers fan, it’s been great watching him build his game and dominance since he came into the league. This isnt some overnight success….each season has been a building block and the ceiling hasn’t been reached yet. Enjoy the ride.
Connor McConnor
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This is the best I’ve ever seen Drai play in the regular season.
McFlyingV
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Always have a good laugh when people bring up anything salary related with Drai and McDavid. Not only are these the top 2 performers in the regular season the past 5 years, but they blow every other player out of the water with their playoff performances. These guys deserve what they make. They show up all the time which isn't true for a lot of high paid players in this league.
Fourier
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Draisaitl makes less than every other player in the top 5 scoring right now.
But lets look a where he stands vs the league:
This year as of now:
4th in points 1st in goals
Since the beginning of 2023-24:
5th in points 7th in goals
Since the beginning of 2022-23
4th in point 4th in goals
Since the beginning of 2021-22
3rd in points 2nd in goals
Since the beginning of 2020-21
2nd in goals 2nd in points.
Lets go back to the season he started his deal 2017-2018:
2nd in goals 2nd in points
Now add in playoffs:
Over the last three years:
1st in goals 2nd in points
(And he had significant injuries in two of those three years).
The league is on the edge of a potentially huge upward movement in the cap and salaries will follow. Draisaitl signed an 8 year deal starting next year. Aside from an off year last year in the regular season he has been as consistent a producer as any player not named McDavid. Based on this context make your case as to why his next deal is not deserved.
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A high point share for Crosby/Malkin was the exception, not the norm. They notably were able to produce a lot more consistently apart from each other at ES which won them a Cup in '09 and got them to the SCF in '08.
Fourier
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Here is a comparison of how the teams did 5 vs 5 with the pairs.
Crosby and Malkin 2007-2008 and 2008-2009
Crosby and Malkin
TOI 710 GF/60 4.14 GF% 62.82
Crosby without Malkin
TOI 1149 GF/60 2.82 GF% 52.94
Malkin without Crosby
TOI 1683 GF/60 3.1 GF% 56.86
McDavid and Draisaitl since 2022-23 (including a down year last year for Leon)
McDavid and Draisaitl
TOI 1081 GF/60 4.55 GF% 62.60
McDavid without Draisaitl
TOI 1912 GF/60 3.48 GF% 54.4
Draisaitl without McDavid
TOI 1937 GF/60 2.92 GF% 52.81
Over these two periods the pairs played together roughly the same proportion of their minutes and the results separately and apart do not distinguish the two pairs.
Now what is true is that if you were to look at Pittsburgh nearer their second cup run with this pair they did not play all that much together or have much success when they did. From 2015-216 through 2017-2018 they played 58 5 vs 5 minutes together and the team scored 0 goals when they were on the ice.
Crosby without Malkin
TOI 3534 GF/60 2.92 GF% 55.31
Malkin without Cosby
TOI 2728 GF/60 3.08 GF% 54.25
In fact separately the pairs are statistically very similar. The big advantage comes when they are together. But unlike Malkin and Crosby whose styles don't jive all that well, what makes McDavid and Draisaitl work so well is that Draisaitl can play a completely different style of game when paired with McDavid to complement him than he does when he plays alone. This is one of the unappreciated aspects of Draisaitl's game. He reinvented himself precisely to play with McDavid. On his own he is a pass first guy whose instinct is to slow the game down and control possession. With McDavid he becomes a shooter, playing an up tempo give and go game.
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Not sure why you didn't include any seasons from 2009 to 2014 and include info about McDrai prior to 22/23 but regardless, the main point was about their playoff success (four SCFs) without spending hardly any time at ES and producing, and sometimes carrying 3rd line/4th line level linemates.
McDrai have been more of a duo than a two headed monster and there really isn't a huge similarity between them and Crosby/Malkin, or other great 2C combos like Sakic/Forsberg and Yzerman/Federov.
Arthur Morgan
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I for the longest time have said on here that his point totals are inflated from McDavid which I don't think can be debunked. replace McDavid with Bozak and Drai will have lower totals but he's among the best players in the leagues. top 3-5
they did call him the German Gretzky for a reason
edit* I used Bozak cause he was what he was a 2nd/3rd C used as a 1C most his career. with my team atleast lol, I am aware that Bozak doesnt play anymore
The McDavid factor is greatly exaggerated. Draisaitl has always played great in McDavid’s absence. Look no further than his Art Ross and Hart Trophy winning season as an example. As much as there are benefits to playing with McDavid (mostly on the PP), there are some drawbacks. For instance, Draisaitl usually doesn’t get to play with the best wingers on the team.
I am quite confident in saying that he would remain a top 3-5 scorer with or without McDavid.
In the past I have often criticized Draisaitl’s defensive play, but this year he has been awesome all over the ice, especially as of late. What a joy he is to watch.
Arthur Morgan
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oh thats not what Im saying, Drai is a top 5 player maybe even top 3. just I dont know how your points dont get inflated a little playing with the best player in the world even if its just on the PP> its just going to result in higher point totals. does Drai need him though? no for sure he doesnt
no player is perfect, even McDavid has areas he can work on. like faceoffs lol
McPoyle
Start breaking bricks wet nips
Draisaitl is playing the best overall hockey of his career right now, which is no small feat.
Since Oct 31 in 20 games, Draisaitl has:
16 goals (1st in the NHL)
19 assists (7th)
35 points (1st)
+18 (first)
0 PIM
ES GS of 28-10 (74%).
Hes doing all this while playing with a mishmash of wingers in Podkolzin, Kapanen, Skinner, and when healthy Ardvisson.
He is playing near his best level of offensive output, but has tidied up his defensive game so much so that he should be getting Selke consideration. On top of that he should be in the running to win the Rocket, Ross, Hart, and Pearson.
Drai is playing the best hockey of his career, watch an Oiler game and enjoy the show.
Since Oct 31 in 20 games, Draisaitl has:
16 goals (1st in the NHL)
19 assists (7th)
35 points (1st)
+18 (first)
0 PIM
ES GS of 28-10 (74%).
Hes doing all this while playing with a mishmash of wingers in Podkolzin, Kapanen, Skinner, and when healthy Ardvisson.
He is playing near his best level of offensive output, but has tidied up his defensive game so much so that he should be getting Selke consideration. On top of that he should be in the running to win the Rocket, Ross, Hart, and Pearson.
Drai is playing the best hockey of his career, watch an Oiler game and enjoy the show.
BallardEra
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Jordan Belfort
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Guy is insane and a beast on the puck. Treat to watch.
Cant see McDavid beating him for the art ross with his play at this point and kuch and McKinnon also consistently blowing him out of the water. 1 assist for McDavid while big three all had massive nights
Cant see McDavid beating him for the art ross with his play at this point and kuch and McKinnon also consistently blowing him out of the water. 1 assist for McDavid while big three all had massive nights
