Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

[70sSanO]

Because we have Gauthier, it will never be Carlsson vs Fantilli for me.

I’d rather have Carlsson and Gauthier than Fantilli and Gauthier.

John

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Because we have Gauthier, it will never be Carlsson vs Fantilli for me.

I’d rather have Carlsson and Gauthier than Fantilli and Gauthier.

John

It's like if you had Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant on same team they both want the ball and to shoot it.

Fantilli + Gauthier would be like:
Fantilli: hey Terry pass the puck to me
Gauthier: nah pass it to me please

 

[Leonardo87]

Rangers PP rarely gets scored on. What Leo and Killorn did was a really good thing.

 

[Boxscore]

Michkov and Carlsson were my two favorite players in their draft. And I stand by that, as great as Bedard, Fantilli, and Smith are. The Ducks are building something very nice. Oh, and that Jackson LaCombe is a beast.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I love when Leo goes charging in like he did on that goal yesterday. He's unstoppable when he does that.

 

[shach1]

Anaheim Ducks' Leo Carlsson joins Players Only | NHL.com

The Anaheim Ducks' Leo Carlsson joins NHL Now for their Players Only segment

www.nhl.com

 

[70sSanO]

It's like if you had Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant on same team they both want the ball and to shoot it.

Fantilli + Gauthier would be like:
Fantilli: hey Terry pass the puck to me
Gauthier: nah pass it to me please

Agree.

Except Terry would have a better chance of losing the puck trying to split the defense a half-a-dozen ways than making a pass to either of them.

John

 

[anezthes]

I love when Leo goes charging in like he did on that goal yesterday. He's unstoppable when he does that.

MacKinnon-like.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

I love when Leo goes charging in like he did on that goal yesterday. He's unstoppable when he does that.

Last season I noticed he would do it a lot but then hold on to the puck for too long, essentially skating it directly into opponents’ goalies.

I can’t remember if he said it himself, or if somebody said it about him, but in his time with Team Sweden apparently they worked with him on how he used to try to “pass the puck” into the net instead of shooting it. Really think it has opened his eyes offensively.

 

[HanSolo]

At this point the whole Fantilli has pulled away from Leo thing is kind of bunk.

Leo is 5 points behind him. That isn't that significant to begin with but it's even less so when considering he's played 6 fewer games while averaging a minute and 44 seconds less ice time per game and on a team that is much worse offensively (Columbus has the 11th best GFpg in the league with 3.17. Anaheim's post 4 Nations stretch gave them a bump but they're still 26th with 2.72).

Also we all know one of Leo's biggest flaws is his faceoff game but Fantilli is not much better off. Fantilli is at 42.5% on the season. Leo is at 40.8%.

Considering many of us wanted to draft Fantilli over Carlsson because we thought he'd be a faster 1c and NHL edge has Leo with a higher top speed, there's really not much there for anyone to confidently say Leo over Fantilli was a mistake.

 

[ohcomeonref]

At this point the whole Fantilli has pulled away from Leo thing is kind of bunk.

Leo is 5 points behind him. That isn't that significant to begin with but it's even less so when considering he's played 6 fewer games while averaging a minute and 44 seconds less ice time per game and on a team that is much worse offensively (Columbus has the 11th best GFpg in the league with 3.17. Anaheim's post 4 Nations stretch gave them a bump but they're still 26th with 2.72).

Also we all know one of Leo's biggest flaws is his faceoff game but Fantilli is not much better off. Fantilli is at 42.5% on the season. Leo is at 40.8%.

Considering many of us wanted to draft Fantilli over Carlsson because we thought he'd be a faster 1c and NHL edge has Leo with a higher top speed, there's really not much there for anyone to confidently say Leo over Fantilli was a mistake.

Leo's pre-draft scouting reports on his skating have to be the hugest red flag ever for anyone who treats scouts or "hockey people's" opinions as gospel. How can you get something so f***ing wrong? It was obvious fairly quickly that Leo was kinda a burner, and not even "for a big guy." He's just fast straight-up fast.

If he bulks up significantly are we getting a speed demon bull like MacKinnon? Holy shit man.

 

[HanSolo]

Leo's pre-draft scouting reports on his skating have to be the hugest red flag ever for anyone who treats scouts or "hockey people's" opinions as gospel. How can you get something so f***ing wrong? It was obvious fairly quickly that Leo was kinda a burner, and not even "for a big guy." He's just fast straight-up fast.

If he bulks up significantly are we getting a speed demon bull like MacKinnon? Holy shit man.

I'd seriously rather Leo end up a Barkov type unless Leo actually puts up MacKinnon-esque numbers playing the same way.

But yes. The knock on his skating is so laughable in retrospect. Just like "Gauthier's hockey IQ will hold him back" is a goddamn joke. I think that should really be enough for this community to stop caring what Pronman has to say about anything. There's plenty of other reasons but him saying Leo is a below average skater should disclaim any notion that his opinions have value.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Yeah Leo is a better fit for us than Fantilli right now. I think some of that has to do with uncertainty around Zegs.

When we drafted Leo, Z was trending nicely offensively and with him and Terry I felt maybe we could afford to take a shooter/finisher in Fantilli.

I do think Leo is more skilled than Fantilli but probably more importantly he is the type of forward you start with to build out a forward group. He’s much like Getzlaf in that respect. Fantilli might’ve been good here too, but I feel his style is a little less accommodating.

What happens if Z never figures it out? Terry is then kind of our lone true distributor without Leo. It just makes things more complicated. Then again, I’ve never actually been crazy about shoot-first centres (would always choose the distributor all else equal)

 

[ScarTroy]

To be fair to Fantilli from what I’ve seen he’s also a really good passer and has high IQ. Think the scouts got him a bit wrong too. Both are gonna be studs for a long time

 

[Leonardo87]

To be fair to Fantilli from what I’ve seen he’s also a really good passer and has high IQ. Think the scouts got him a bit wrong too. Both are gonna be studs for a long time

Both Leo and Fantilli are going to be better all around players than Bedard and Michkov. I have no issues to sacrifice a little, yes only a little offense to being a more two way player who can play in all situations. This is why I hype the Barkov comparisons.

He needs to work on his FO’s more. Was getting better but seemed to have regressed a little as of late. He went against the Rangers last game , so not easy to win those. They are top 3 in the league.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yeah Leo is a better fit for us than Fantilli right now. I think some of that has to do with uncertainty around Zegs.

When we drafted Leo, Z was trending nicely offensively and with him and Terry I felt maybe we could afford to take a shooter/finisher in Fantilli.

I do think Leo is more skilled than Fantilli but probably more importantly he is the type of forward you start with to build out a forward group. He’s much like Getzlaf in that respect. Fantilli might’ve been good here too, but I feel his style is a little less accommodating.

What happens if Z never figures it out? Terry is then kind of our lone true distributor without Leo. It just makes things more complicated. Then again, I’ve never actually been crazy about shoot-first centres (would always choose the distributor all else equal)

I actually think Fantilli fits Verbeek-Cronin's style of play very well, especially with that speed of his. But I think Verbeek wanted the more talented player in Carlsson so he can mold him to play the Fantilli style and get the best of both worlds. For the past two seasons, Cronin has been trying to mold all of our youths into a Fantilli type player, but with an emphasis to make the defense a priority.

Carlsson's explosion post 4 Nations is because he changed his psyche to become a shoot-first center. Kudos to whoever on the Swede team at 4N to flip the script of Carlsson's mind.

 

[Leonardo87]

I actually think Fantilli fits Verbeek-Cronin's style of play very well, especially with that speed of his. But I think Verbeek wanted the more talented player in Carlsson so he can mold him to play the Fantilli style and get the best of both worlds. For the past two seasons, Cronin has been trying to mold all of our youths into a Fantilli type player, but with an emphasis to make the defense a priority.

Carlsson's explosion post 4 Nations is because he changed his psyche to become a shoot-first center. Kudos to whoever on the Swede team at 4N to flip the script of Carlsson's mind.

The 3rd goal last game was the result of a quick shot on goal by Leo , Cutter was able to get the rebound. It threw Igor off balance and Cutter had a nice open net to shoot the rebound. LaCombe also made a very nice pass to set up Leo to start the play. It was just a great sequence all around.

I hope they show them the tape and can execute that type of plan more often. Because both of them will start to see the flood gates open in points.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

"I think it’s been, since the 4 Nations tournament, he’s come back and he seems like he has more pace to his game, more explosiveness," head coach Greg Cronin said. "I’ve talked about this, about how he needs to get to the inside of the ice, play in the inner third of the ice and he’s doing that. His goal, he just ripped through the middle and snapped it...When he’s not carrying the puck, he’s driving inside ice which is giving him puck recoveries in the offensive zone."

Carlsson owns 10 goals and 10 assists with a +10 rating in the 18 games since representing Sweden last month, tied for 20th in the NHL in scoring during that span.


Nice to see Carlsson … checks notes …. Tied for 20th in the NHL in scoring since the 4N’s.

 

[FiveTacos]

Leo's pre-draft scouting reports on his skating have to be the hugest red flag ever for anyone who treats scouts or "hockey people's" opinions as gospel. How can you get something so f***ing wrong?

The sheer number of highly drafted guys who don't pan out tells you how unreliable scouting 17 year olds can be.

The difficulty with scouting some of the uber-talented top of the draft types is that their opposition is so comparatively weak that they can just lean on their best tools and still dominate. But it can lead to false conclusions.

Like Gauthier spamming shots, because he could score on them, so a lot of his bad shots really weren't bad shots at that level. But it leads scouts to conclusions about his IQ.

 

[eaterfan]

The sheer number of highly drafted guys who don't pan out tells you how unreliable scouting 17 year olds can be.

The difficulty with scouting some of the uber-talented top of the draft types is that their opposition is so comparatively weak that they can just lean on their best tools and still dominate. But it can lead to false conclusions.

Like Gauthier spamming shots, because he could score on them, so a lot of his bad shots really weren't bad shots at that level. But it leads scouts to conclusions about his IQ.

With all do respect, there are tens of thousands of draft eligible players every year from dozens of countries all over the world. Saying a guy was the third best prospect instead of the second best of best is pretty awesome. Hell, putting a guy who is a top 30 player in the 7th round is pretty darn impressive.

Yeah, they aren't perfect. But they are really darn impressive. It's good enough that after the top 5 picks the value of the pick goes down significantly, a second rounder isn't with nothing, but it isn't worth much. That just shows you how good scouts are at evaluating talent.

In my life there have been 3 generational prospects: Crosby, McDavid, and Bedard. Bedard hasn't hit, but the other two are the two best players I've seen.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

With all do respect, there are tens of thousands of draft eligible players every year from dozens of countries all over the world. Saying a guy was the third best prospect instead of the second best of best is pretty awesome. Hell, putting a guy who is a top 30 player in the 7th round is pretty darn impressive.

Yeah, they aren't perfect. But they are really darn impressive. It's good enough that after the top 5 picks the value of the pick goes down significantly, a second rounder isn't with nothing, but it isn't worth much. That just shows you how good scouts are at evaluating talent.

In my life there have been 3 generational prospects: Crosby, McDavid, and Bedard. Bedard hasn't hit, but the other two are the two best players I've seen.

And we almost had 2 of them….

 

[ohcomeonref]

And we almost had 2 of them….

We think we almost had them, the NHL knew we never had a shot.

 

[FiveTacos]

Yeah, they aren't perfect. But they are really darn impressive. It's good enough that after the top 5 picks the value of the pick goes down significantly, a second rounder isn't with nothing, but it isn't worth much. That just shows you how good scouts are at evaluating talent.

They get it right on a macro scale yes. I mean, by and large the talent by round is sorted well. But individual nitpicking of guys who are a half decade or more from being finished products? I don't get carried away with that micro stuff on what a guy supposedly can't do. They're kids, there's tons of stuff they haven't learned yet.

It reminds me of this one time ages ago, was listening to a guy on a draft preview on the radio, where as a joke he literally word for word used the same generic scouting description for three players with all the usual buzz words about tolls, rough edges, physical development, etc.. And when you thought about it, it was arguably applicable for all of them.

In my life there have been 3 generational prospects: Crosby, McDavid, and Bedard. Bedard hasn't hit, but the other two are the two best players I've seen.

Geez, make me feel old why don't you.

 

[Leonardo87]

Happy I was in town to see 4 of these goals…

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Happy I was in town to see 4 of these goals…

Leo's doing great but the comparison is a bit disingenuous. Kariya would have ended up around 30 goals that year if the lockout hadn't shortened the season.