Leo Carlsson since Feb: 21gp 10g 23p +13

After a slow start, he's been on an absolute heater. He leads all 2023 drafted players in scoring since February.
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Kid doesn't get enough recognition. He is going to be an absolute 200 ft monster when he hits his prime.
I was actually wondering between Carlsson, Bedard, Fantilli and Michkov on who will have the best season next year?

I think William Smith from San Jose might be another forward to take the next step as well from that 23 draft.
 
I was actually wondering between Carlsson, Bedard, Fantilli and Michkov on who will have the best season next year?

I think William Smith from San Jose might be another forward to take the next step as well from that 23 draft.
Michkov is probably the best bet for top scorer of the group, assuming he gets a bigger role. But I would probably put my money on Carlsson to have the best all around season.

I could see all of them breaking out for 70+ point seasons though.
 
Michkov is probably the best bet for top scorer of the group, assuming he gets a bigger role. But I would probably put my money on Carlsson to have the best all around season.

I could see all of them breaking out for 70+ point seasons though.
Yes I guess we should get ready for the Michkov is better because of points argument soon eh?
 
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I don't understand Anaheim low scoring. They have so many good forward....

They have a lot of talent, but most of it is still young and developing. And the veterans outside of Terry aren't impact types.

PP is one of the main reasons for that. They are like around a 12% rate. It’s mind-boggling how with all this skill they can’t execute a decent PP.

It's absolutely ridiculous when I see guys like Strome and Vatrano playing large amounts on the PP. Of course it's going to suck, those guys aren't PP1 players, on good teams they might not even be PP2. If you're gonna suck on the PP, might as well let your kids get experience.

Also a lot of the best PP units in the league have a couple star players anchoring it who have been together for hundreds of games, the Ducks kids have only a handful together.
 
PP is one of the main reasons for that. They are like around a 12% rate. It’s mind-boggling how with all this skill they can’t execute a decent PP.

Ducks forwards have probably lost at least 20-25% of their production because of that.

To put things in better perspective, Carlsson has 31 points at ES, Bedard has 32 and has played at least a half a dozen more games with a lot more ice time than Leo.

Faceoffs have to play some part in the powerplay struggles. On pace to be the worst faceoff team since the stat was first tracked, stands to reason that they spend more time chasing pucks than most powerplay units
 
Faceoffs have to play some part in the powerplay struggles. On pace to be the worst faceoff team since the stat was first tracked, stands to reason that they spend more time chasing pucks than most powerplay units
Faceoffs, zone entries, puck movement is slowly moving the puck to different guys around the perimeter who receive it, see they don't have a shooting lane, wait to see if a defender will bite to give them that lane or a passing lane, hold it for way too long, maybe one guy rotates to adjust the set up, puck carrier will pass it to someone else who does the same thing, eventually someone either makes a bad pass or a shot gets blocked or stopped and no one activates to pick up the rebound, then it gets cleared.

It's literally all bad. Every aspect. The powerplay could not be worse short of pulling the goalie for a 6 on 4 every time. Maybe Cronin survives the chopping block, but Clune has to go. The powerplay training, development, strategy and execution has all been laughably bad.
 
I wanted Leo over Fantilli, having said that I'm extremely happy to have Fantilli on the roster for the foreseeable future. These two will be linked for their entire careers so I can't wait to see how they both develop.

Super comparable this season

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Fantilli is no slouch and every team would be happy to add a player of that caliber. Columbus may be falling off a bit down the stretch but they fought hard after a terrible tragedy and look to be developing a talented young team. Fantilli will be a big part of that as they turn the corner over the next year or so.
 
Faceoffs, zone entries, puck movement is slowly moving the puck to different guys around the perimeter who receive it, see they don't have a shooting lane, wait to see if a defender will bite to give them that lane or a passing lane, hold it for way too long, maybe one guy rotates to adjust the set up, puck carrier will pass it to someone else who does the same thing, eventually someone either makes a bad pass or a shot gets blocked or stopped and no one activates to pick up the rebound, then it gets cleared.

It's literally all bad. Every aspect. The powerplay could not be worse short of pulling the goalie for a 6 on 4 every time. Maybe Cronin survives the chopping block, but Clune has to go. The powerplay training, development, strategy and execution has all been laughably bad.
The funny thing is this team is actually really good at scoring 6 on 5.
 
The funny thing is this team is actually really good at scoring 6 on 5.
Fair but I meant pulling the goalie on every powerplay regardless of the score or stage of the game. They're good in that situation because the desperation of the situation causes them to play differently than on traditional powerplays.
 
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Fantilli is no slouch and every team would be happy to add a player of that caliber. Columbus may be falling off a bit down the stretch but they fought hard after a terrible tragedy and look to be developing a talented young team. Fantilli will be a big part of that as they turn the corner over the next year or so.
I still love pretty much everything about Fantilli. That's the great thing about Carlsson and Him, there is pretty much nothing they leave you wanting. Obviously Bedard is amongst the elite of the elite in a few categories but there are simply just things that wouldn't really ever be able to be a part of his game.
 
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I still love pretty much everything about Fantilli. That's the great thing about Carlsson and Him, there is pretty much nothing they leave you wanting. Obviously Bedard is amongst the elite of the elite in a few categories but there are simply just things that wouldn't really ever be able to be a part of his game.
A guy like Bedard occupies a different role than Carlsson or Fantilli. You hope Fantilli and Carlsson can develop into that tier of two way centers. Bedard is closer to that small but elite offensive force once he is properly supported. All great talents. Bedard probably needs more help to play his style but Chicago will figure it out.
 
I mean it's pretty clear that Carlsson has broken through offensively, this Carlsson is almost at the same level offensively as Bedard but the 200 foot game is night and day difference. Carlsson is the better player today, and I would not be surprised if it stays that way.
I think the question is can Leo keep this level of production up where it's a regular level of play. 20 games is a huge sample but objectively speaking, his shooting percentage is pretty high right now and he still has work to do both in terms of building muscle/strength and learning to more consistently navigate defensive pressure in the o-zone to more consistently create chances for himself and his linemates.

I do think if he does those things he can be the better overall player between the two. I don't see a world where Bedard ever catches up to Leo defensively especially given how much room Leo has to get physically stronger, but Bedard's offense still has room to skyrocket. Chicago is a very very bad team. Better linemates and coaching I can still see him hitting 95-100+pts in his prime.
 
How would you all rank

Bedard
Carlsson
Fantilli
Smith
Michkov
And for curiosity sake Celebrini

Break into tiers if you perceive tiers present.
 
I think the question is can Leo keep this level of production up where it's a regular level of play. 20 games is a huge sample but objectively speaking, his shooting percentage is pretty high right now and he still has work to do both in terms of building muscle/strength and learning to more consistently navigate defensive pressure in the o-zone to more consistently create chances for himself and his linemates.

I do think if he does those things he can be the better overall player between the two. I don't see a world where Bedard ever catches up to Leo defensively especially given how much room Leo has to get physically stronger, but Bedard's offense still has room to skyrocket. Chicago is a very very bad team. Better linemates and coaching I can still see him hitting 95-100+pts in his prime.

The problem is , his line-mates are not finishing as much as they should. This was happening all season. Should have picked up some more assists in the first half even during his struggles, but again line-mates cannot finish. Terry is having that issue now with Strome and Vatrano.

Leo basically said “F you Jobu I’ll do it myself” lol. 24 points in the last 21 games seems to have paid off with that mentality lol. But he is going to the middle of the ice, and front of the net more now. That goal last night was brilliant. Used Gauthier as a screen and got it past Woll.

Just has to work on those FO’s. Was starting to do better but has come down a little. Also needs to add more muscle and he will have more successful zone entries protecting the puck.
 
People should still laugh at you
Bedard is a poor man’s Patrick Kane, except somehow even softer and more useless defensively. Carlsson is a beast with elite potential everywhere. Sucks for the Hawks, tbh. Carlsson has begun to surpass Bedard offensively already. He was already light years ahead defensively and physically.
 
Faceoffs, zone entries, puck movement is slowly moving the puck to different guys around the perimeter who receive it, see they don't have a shooting lane, wait to see if a defender will bite to give them that lane or a passing lane, hold it for way too long, maybe one guy rotates to adjust the set up, puck carrier will pass it to someone else who does the same thing, eventually someone either makes a bad pass or a shot gets blocked or stopped and no one activates to pick up the rebound, then it gets cleared.

It's literally all bad. Every aspect. The powerplay could not be worse short of pulling the goalie for a 6 on 4 every time. Maybe Cronin survives the chopping block, but Clune has to go. The powerplay training, development, strategy and execution has all been laughably bad.
This. The ducks power play has very poor execution on the fundamentals and an equally bad design/concept. Often just a bunch of guys standing around making bad passes. It is maddening.
 
Faceoffs, zone entries, puck movement is slowly moving the puck to different guys around the perimeter who receive it, see they don't have a shooting lane, wait to see if a defender will bite to give them that lane or a passing lane, hold it for way too long, maybe one guy rotates to adjust the set up, puck carrier will pass it to someone else who does the same thing, eventually someone either makes a bad pass or a shot gets blocked or stopped and no one activates to pick up the rebound, then it gets cleared.

It's literally all bad. Every aspect. The powerplay could not be worse short of pulling the goalie for a 6 on 4 every time. Maybe Cronin survives the chopping block, but Clune has to go. The powerplay training, development, strategy and execution has all been laughably bad.
You guys have an enforcer running your powerplay??
 
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Faceoffs, zone entries, puck movement is slowly moving the puck to different guys around the perimeter who receive it, see they don't have a shooting lane, wait to see if a defender will bite to give them that lane or a passing lane, hold it for way too long, maybe one guy rotates to adjust the set up, puck carrier will pass it to someone else who does the same thing, eventually someone either makes a bad pass or a shot gets blocked or stopped and no one activates to pick up the rebound, then it gets cleared.

It's literally all bad. Every aspect. The powerplay could not be worse short of pulling the goalie for a 6 on 4 every time. Maybe Cronin survives the chopping block, but Clune has to go. The powerplay training, development, strategy and execution has all been laughably bad.

Yeah and there's no good excuse for it, the skill is there
 
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I don't know if its random, it was a really strong draft at the top end. And its a decent sample size where he's really taken off relative to his impressive peers.
For sure, still decent sample and good results, seeing as it's the most recent sample of games, but I tend to be cautious about this type of thing, especially when there are 6 guys from that draft that have even played in the NHL so far and he's currently 4th in scoring from that group overall this year.....yes, slow start and the last 20 games have been great.

When I say only 6 guys, I mean regulars, there are a few others that have played like 1, 2 or a few games.
 
Really glad he's finding his groove. Was my favourite player from the 2023 draft, had him right behind Bedard. Saw him a Barkov type. A big smooth skating 2 way center who can put up 90+pts in his prime? Yes please. I think he might even put up 100 points in a season depending on the linemates.
People often forget that Barkov scored only 24 and 36pts on his first 2 seasons in the NHL. I can see Carlsson having a similar path. I don't know about 100pts. Maybe 90-95 at his prime.

I has surprise to see Anaheim with only one player above 50pts. So many talented forward. We will see next year. They need to take the big step and fight for a playoff spot.

I can't name another team with so many top 10 drafted forward like Anaheim:
McTavish, Carlsson, Cutter, Zegras and Sennecke. Maybe another forward in 2025 draft....
 
For sure, still decent sample and good results, seeing as it's the most recent sample of games, but I tend to be cautious about this type of thing, especially when there are 6 guys from that draft that have even played in the NHL so far and he's currently 4th in scoring from that group overall this year.....yes, slow start and the last 20 games have been great.

When I say only 6 guys, I mean regulars, there are a few others that have played like 1, 2 or a few games.
He came back from the 4 Nations thing a different player. His confidence, decision making, positioning on the ice, and how he was using his linemates all changed. It’s not just a hot streak, he went from looking like a tentative young player to a confident NHL player.

Someone said something to him that flipped a switch.
 

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