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Said it during the game he is developing a reputation with the officials. Even Kerry Fraser on tsn 690 montreal mentioned it. I love the way he plays and hope he doesn't stray from his game but you can see the officials are paying extra attention to him.
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IMHO he’s (unfairly) paying for the sins of his father.
eco's bones
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It was happening last year too. He got a major and tossed out of a game against Vancouver when Antoine Roussel caught his foot in a rut and then fell into him. The major was for a head shot but he didn't even hit him in the head if I remember rightly and there was really nothing he could do. As it happened as well a few days before that Zibanejad was tossed from a game and that was a f***ed up call so much that the league actually apologized to Zibanejad which was kind of a first. They didn't apologize to Lemieux however and what I thought at the time was having just apologized for Zibanejad it would have been too embarrassing keeping in mind that the refs were f***ing us over all season long and they're doing a good job of the same this year too.
That said the Rangers haven't exactly been the push overs they use to be when AV was coach. We're a lot more pro-active when it comes to defending ourselves.
Machinehead
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Only player in sports history to get an unsportsmanlike penalty for walking away from a fight.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Eh you know he looked like he wanted it, the other guy wouldn't have thrown down had Lemieux not gestured as he had. I know Lemieux is a pest, but that was lame. I would have given him a penalty as well. Baiting someone into dropping their gloves then skating away is weak. If he keeps doing that stuff he's going to keep getting penalties.
Listening to Joe act incredulous about Lemieux getting penalized was also lame. Joe has been around long enough to know how that situation will be dealt with. No different than grabbing a guy around the neck from behind, and then another guy comes and gives you a couple shots. You're both gonna go even though what you did isn't really worthy of a penalty. It's the situation it creates. That's how they've always called it in the NHL.
Crease
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He's got a reputation and it's not entirely undeserved. Refs have always and will always penalize guys who make their jobs harder.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
The NHL sanitizes everything except head shots.
It keeps the ever growingly soft great unwashed happy as they watch on TV and stuff food in their faces.
They would work on the head shots too, but the average Joe doesn't seem to understand brain injuries, and the bulk of the effort the NHL focuses on covering loopholes in the massive litigation they might face from today's players as they become invalids 20 years from now.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
eco's bones
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That said they did pretty much let Ryan Ellis's head shot of Buchnevich go. Sometimes it's hard to figure what the f***.....but the concussion issue is something they do need to address.
The question here though is how uneven NHL officiating is and that certain players are targeted and often wrongly.
leetch99
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I think he had a misconduct in Anaheim on a play when he grazed the stick of a player going by him after the whistle. Some here even thought it might get rescinded . I am not sure if that ever happened ? I thought the call was very marginal but I was not sure if he was doing/ running lip service or not . Can't always see that stuff on the TV . Figures as soon as we get an agitator they decide to clamp down on them.
Yeah it is totally inconsistent, which has been a problem for a long time now.
Thing is, guys like Lemieux, have a short leash. The referees seem to have no problem clamping down on the after the whistle stuff and the chippiness in-game that leads to stuff getting out of hand. So if he's out instigating every shift and the game is getting rough at least partly because of that, they try to shut it down.
The Ellis thing was sick; I think it was one of those cases of the league blaming the victim, saying he put himself in a dangerous position. I didn't see it that way but I bet that was the logic, just like when someone boards another guy into oblivion and they say the guy turned into it, so no big deal.
egelband
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I understand the penalties to Lemieux but what about the opponents? Dude swinging his stick like a lumberjack on pcp? The guy who dropped his gloves? He wasn’t a victim? He was going after Lemieux all the way up the ice. I get the refs sticking it to Lemieux. But they cannot turn a blind eye to actual infractions. They need to act like professionals, not like fans.
edit: I see they did call the first one with Lemieux ok. Though they did give the Ducks a ticky-tack freebie right after on De Angelo. Which I think was the refs making a dumb point.
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
It was a flying elbow in front of the ref near a major advertisement, and you still think they give a flying f***?
eco's bones
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I never said they gave a flying f***. What I more or less said was they're shit at the job they're doing.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Forgive me.
I meant "you" in the ubiquitous form. I didn't mean you as in @eco's bones specifically didn't understand.
eco's bones
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He got all head and I have to think that if Buch had seen it coming like any rational human being he would have moved his head out of the way. I think there's something to the argument that the referees and the league will give certain players a pass and being a good old Canadian boy with a fairly spotless reputation worked here in Ellis's favor---keeping in mind that most of the refs are Canadian as is the guy in charge of DOPS and a good % of NHL apparatchiks.
haveandare
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I’d say grabbing a guy by the neck is pretty different than saying something that makes it seem like you might want to fight.
The fact is, there’s different rules for Lemeiux and it’s getting to be more and more a problem. He shouldn’t have to change his play style because the refs don’t like him. Borderline 2 min calls here and there is one thing but they can’t be taking him out of the equation for 1/6 of an entire game every week because he makes their jobs a bit harder. It’s a unique job, but its work, sometimes it’s hard and you need to find a way to do it well instead of just taking a lazy way out.
Grabbing a guy by the neck happens in literally every single post-whistle scrum every single game. So, like ten or more times each game. And it's fine until it ends up leading to retaliation. Is that screwed-up logic? Maybe? But it's how refs keep games in check. Stuff is allowed until it looks like it might lead to things getting out of hand.
They don't have different rules for Lemieux. They have different rules for guys like Lemieux, whose role is to stir shit up. Like that's a main part of his job, to instigate and cause shit to get nasty. Of course the referees have an interest in preventing that, so they will do what they need to do to stop it.
Name a pest, and we can go over how the rules were "different" for that guy.
Edge
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The great irony is that in the list of the NHL’s most dangerous players, Lemieux isn’t up there.
If the league was this diligent with head shots, they wouldn’t have a damn concussion problem.
If the league was this diligent with head shots, they wouldn’t have a damn concussion problem.
romba
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I think they're confusing him with Hollweg who was well known for his viscious runs at players in vulnerable positions
Totally agree that players like Lemieux are treated much differently, but the refs also need to act professionally when multiple players gang up on those players. It's not a free fall all because that player is a agitator and there is no difference between that act and the act of players introducing questionable hits that can cause injuries. Slew foots, heat shots, knee shots and cross checks while the player is laying on the ice are just a few that go unanswered in a game that need to be addressed as well in similar fashion.
What gets my ire, is that the high sticks are so much more prevalent today than they were before the face shields. It appears to me that high sticks are the most dangerous penalty that has that OH WELL league attitude. Shi t happens with a game that includes sticks in the game. This is a problem that needs to be addressed soon, with double minors given and 5 minute majors with blood.
What gets my ire, is that the high sticks are so much more prevalent today than they were before the face shields. It appears to me that high sticks are the most dangerous penalty that has that OH WELL league attitude. Shi t happens with a game that includes sticks in the game. This is a problem that needs to be addressed soon, with double minors given and 5 minute majors with blood.
Konamic Ice Hockey
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Same thing happened to Avery. To often blame was put on Torts but it was really the refs that made his type of play worthless. Same thing is happening to Lemy. I like that DQ is sticking up for him though. I wonder what advice Avery would have for Lemy...
Do you have him change his style of do you think about trading him? Either way it is just ridiculous how much the NHL hates personalities. I don't want the NHL to become the WWF but if they keep it on the ice, NHL can have sub plots to games. Not just team rivalries but personal. Avery face guarding fatso was so funny and entertaining... at least to me(I have never heard so much laughter at MSG). It was picked up by all the nightly news in pretty much the entire country and to this day it gets talked about. The NHL rightfully took it out of the game but it should have been embraced in a parody NHL commercial or some other form of taking advantage of the all the publicity NHL received. Lemy goading Gudbranson made it to the front page of hockey on reddit and has been all over twitter. NHL should run with it, but they won't, they will act like it is a cancer that needs to radiated.
Do you have him change his style of do you think about trading him? Either way it is just ridiculous how much the NHL hates personalities. I don't want the NHL to become the WWF but if they keep it on the ice, NHL can have sub plots to games. Not just team rivalries but personal. Avery face guarding fatso was so funny and entertaining... at least to me(I have never heard so much laughter at MSG). It was picked up by all the nightly news in pretty much the entire country and to this day it gets talked about. The NHL rightfully took it out of the game but it should have been embraced in a parody NHL commercial or some other form of taking advantage of the all the publicity NHL received. Lemy goading Gudbranson made it to the front page of hockey on reddit and has been all over twitter. NHL should run with it, but they won't, they will act like it is a cancer that needs to radiated.
