Lehner will get paid, but is not counting against the cap

[Romang67]

Vegas is now under the cap with this no? How is this not a gift to them?

Because Lehner didn't report for his physical? Why should they have been forced to put a player who didn't report on LTIR?

 

[jackp0t]

Could be related to the fact that he filed for Bankruptcy

 

[Salsero1]

Surely if a Canadian franchise tried this, they'd be denied and made to forfeit 75% of their rosters (to Vegas) at no cost to their cap. I'm fumin' dammit!

 

[TLEH]

I don’t really see this as a gift to Vegas. Lehner, yes. Vegas, no.

Yeah NVM. He was gonna get termed and now he still gets paid.

 

[trellaine201]

Mind boggling. F the league and F Vegas.

 

[hangman005]

Because Lehner didn't report for his physical? Why should they have been forced to put a player who didn't report on LTIR?

In fact he had to report to be put on LTIR in the first place.

 

[LEIFey]

Can the Flyers do something like this with Ryan Johansen?

 

[LOFIN]

Because Lehner didn't report for his physical? Why should they have been forced to put a player who didn't report on LTIR?

Of course, they would not have been forced to put him on LTIR. What they would've been forced to do, is terminate his contract. Which Lehner and the NHLPA would then grieve, and it would end up in a settlement where Lehner would still be paid something AND most likely Vegas would get a cap hit (retroactively if needed). This is a clean way to get that contract out of their capsystem, while the owner is still paying him of course.

Do you really not see how enticing this would be for pretty much every team, where the owner is willing to pay more to make the team more competitive (which should mean all 32 teams)?

 

[TLEH]

Of course, they would not have been forced to put him on LTIR. What they would've been forced to do, is terminate his contract. Which Lehner and the NHLPA would then grieve, and it would end up in a settlement where Lehner would still be paid something AND most likely Vegas would get a cap hit (retroactively if needed). This is a clean way to get that contract out of their capsystem, while the owner is still paying him of course.

Do you really not see how enticing this would be for pretty much every team, where the owner is willing to pay more to make the team more competitive (which should mean all 32 teams)?

He isn’t showing up. I doubt there would be a cap hit or grievance. He didn’t uphold his portion of the contract. It’s pretty cut and dry.

According to what I’ve read it seems like he can’t report for his own legal issues? I don’t know.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Getting reports that VGK has been offered 20 year old Gretzky as compensation by the league, just ridiculous

 

[Romang67]

Of course, they would not have been forced to put him on LTIR. What they would've been forced to do, is terminate his contract. Which Lehner and the NHLPA would then grieve, and it would end up in a settlement where Lehner would still be paid something AND most likely Vegas would get a cap hit (retroactively if needed). This is a clean way to get that contract out of their capsystem, while the owner is still paying him of course.

Do you really not see how enticing this would be for pretty much every team, where the owner is willing to pay more to make the team more competitive (which should mean all 32 teams)?

Which is why I'm questioning why Lehner is still getting paid. I disagree that Vegas would have had to pay a dime of his remaining contract if the NHLPA grieve when Lehner didn't show up for his physical.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I guess details probably to come but I don’t understand why such a clear breach would find VGK paying him at all or, referencing post right above (sorry on mobile and having issues or id quote), what grounds the pa would even have to grieve

 

[GKJ]

Sounds like Lehner got the gift

 

[JianYang]

How is Lehner still able to be paid while having a seemingly significant breach of his contract by not going to physicals?

 

[LOFIN]

I guess details probably to come but I don’t understand why such a clear breach would find VGK paying him at all or, referencing post right above (sorry on mobile and having issues or id quote), what grounds the pa would even have to grieve

If it turns out Lehner is on a psychic ward and thus unable to report, or something similar, I will take a bit less issue with the league for "doing the good thing" and allowing Vegas to basically support him while he's unable to fulfil his contract.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

It is a "gift" to Vegas and Lehner. Look at 26.15 of the CBA. They can't put him on LTIR to circumvent the cap (i.e. having a player without a bona fide hockey injury not on the active roster) because he won't take their fitness tests. But these are still payments to a non-roster player who would otherwise put them over the cap. Simply disclosing these payment, which are made in lieu of cap space, doesn't satisfy the CBA.

The NHL knows it has a delicate issue with a player suffering some kind of something and yet Vegas needs help. The way to satisfy it is simply to allow the circumvention.

 

[Danarqhy]

This is basically the NHLPA bending the NHL over.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Shock.

 

[Romang67]

This is basically the NHLPA bending the NHL over.

Kinda? I mean, there is no chance Lehner would have passed the physical even if he had shown up. Lehner hasn't played hockey since April 2022. He played a combined 66 games in 2020-2022. He was falling apart long before he had the season ending surgery in August 2022.

All he had to do was show up to prove that. But he didn't.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Is Batman in share?

 

[Cup or Bust]

I am fine with the Vegas side, a team shouldn't be punished because a player doesn't properly show up and put the effort into playing and fulfilling his contract. The contract should be null and void at this point in my opinion. Vegas should not have to pay this guy a dime.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

 

[MXD]

I get it, but what exactly prevents a player from not reporting to its physical and still getting paid, while allowing the team to not use its LTIR?

 

[dem]

So now teams can gently suggest injured players not show up for physicals?

Player gets paid.. and team gets all the cap space?

Wtf is the NHL doing?

They just make it up as they go. Its f'n ridiculous.

 

[Toby91ca]

I get it, but what exactly prevents a player from not reporting to its physical and still getting paid, while allowing the team to not use its LTIR?

What would be the purpose? Players want to play, it's that simple.