Rumor: LeBrun: Flames Remain Interested in Cozens

[SeanMoneyHands]

Soft as butter, small dime a dozen centre. Easy pass.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Soft as butter, small dime a dozen centre. Easy pass.

Small? Are you sure you’re thinking of the same person?

 

[StrompTroller]

I get that. But it makes little sense to be lashing out at other teams fans when they're offering what are reasonable offers for a player who is signed to a long-term 7M contract that he is currently not living up to. There's some risk for the team trading for him, too.

The teams listed by Weekes - Montreal, Toronto, Calgary, Detroit - have no players they could possibly give up for Cozens in a larger package. The only thing I could see, maybe, is a deal around Cozens+Byram+ for Marner if the Leafs don't want to re-sign him? But that seems very unlikely. Other than that, literally none of these teams have a good defensive top 4 RHD that they would want to trade. Montreal isn't giving up any of their young players for a downgrade, and Detroit isn't giving you Larkin, who is our only top 6 C.

Just seems like a weird hill to die on. If Cozens ends up being traded, it almost certainly won't be for the ideal situation you are hoping for.

That's the point in bold. We don't have to trade him. There is also a hypocrisy in fans of other teams "wanting him" but not willing to give up what is perceived as fair value. Saying we are pigeon holed by him falls apart instantly when you consider we can just keep him....other teams would only want him because hes young and can be fixed....that can happen here too without underselling. He's still incredibly young, fast, and has size. If it wasn't for his contract every single team in the league would see a valuable "reclamation". It's funny to me that when it's convenient for people on here they mention the cap going up and how it won't be a problem to take swings and then also when it's convenient for them they can point out a player's salary as a road block. This entire situation is such a catch 22 to try and prove your team's view as "right".

No one is "lashing out". We are saying offer fair value or kick rocks because we don't gotta do shit with Cozens. Every Sabres fan was more than open to including him in a bigger deal with several other pieces for EP40. Every Sabres fan that is "lashing out" is because Detroit fans were offering Compher as the main piece lol.

 

[Bond]

Idk how you can look at Buffalo's roster right now and say they are "no where close." There is so much untapped potential on that team that it's baffling they are where they are in the standings right now (but a 13 game losing streak will do that). UPL taking a step back this year certainly didn't help but at least they are letting Levi marinate in the AHL this time around. Also they have so many prospects that they can move to upgrade their roster. Go get someone like Bryan Rust or Will Cuylle this summer for vet presence or more physicality.

It comes down to Pegula imo. I feel like people have been saying that about Buffalo ever since they got Eichel and they have been managed into mediocrity. Even this sequence would give me pause as a player. Commit to Cozens by trading Middlestadt and now they are looking at trading Cozens.
Buffalo will need to actually make the playoffs before any in demand vet is willing to go there.

 

[spockBokk]

What about Svechnikov from CAR?

I think the Sabres may need to add a small +, but both have draft pedigree, similar cap hits and similar term left on their deals. Roughly the same age. Svechnikov has been more productive, but he’s struggled this season to find where he fits.

Cozens will fill a need as a right shot C, perhaps for Rantanen to play with and also has underperformed.

I’d love for the Canes to dump Kotkaniemi for Cozens, but don’t see why BUF would consider that. Don’t see a chance the Canes would consider moving Jarvis so, really Svechnikov is the only young player who could likely bring back a 2C. They’d be short a top 6LW and would have to hope Hall could reasonably fit there for the rest of the season/playoffs, but they could upgrade that position this summer.

Question would be, what’s the “+” from the Sabres and would the Canes actually move Svechnikov?

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

It comes down to Pegula imo. I feel like people have been saying that about Buffalo ever since they got Eichel and they have been managed into mediocrity. Even this sequence would give me pause as a player. Commit to Cozens by trading Middlestadt and now they are looking at trading Cozens.
Buffalo will need to actually make the playoffs before any in demand vet is willing to go there.

That does not appear to be true
Sabres listening to offers is different than shopping him.
He likely won’t be traded

 

[crackdown44]

What about Svechnikov from CAR?

I think the Sabres may need to add a small +, but both have draft pedigree, similar cap hits and similar term left on their deals. Roughly the same age. Svechnikov has been more productive, but he’s struggled this season to find where he fits.

Cozens will fill a need as a right shot C, perhaps for Rantanen to play with and also has underperformed.

I’d love for the Canes to dump Kotkaniemi for Cozens, but don’t see why BUF would consider that. Don’t see a chance the Canes would consider moving Jarvis so, really Svechnikov is the only young player who could likely bring back a 2C. They’d be short a top 6LW and would have to hope Hall could reasonably fit there for the rest of the season/playoffs, but they could upgrade that position this summer.

Question would be, what’s the “+” from the Sabres and would the Canes actually move Svechnikov?

I think the Canes could get a far better player than Cozens if they were considering moving off Svechnikov tbh

 

[samsagat]

His value is determined from demand. If 2/3's of teams are interested.. I think it is fair to say his value far exceeds Dachs .. his bloated contract becomes less significant each year with the rising cap.

Illogical take.

First, how can a player with his profile and moreover, his contract can interest 2/3 of the NHL teams?

Contenders (first tier of the league) certainly won't be interested in such a player, with his 7,1 mil for question marks...

They're in win now mode and want performances for their bucks.

And then, a big bunch of the second tier teams won't be interested, for the same reasons.

And Buffalo wants, as far as possible, a player that's gonna be able to help them now back, not future.

So you eliminate another big portion of the league's teams, because they must have a player and the needs that fits that type of trade...

So your 2/3 of the league being realistically and seriously interested in him is more like a few, like 3 to 5...

You say that his value far exceeds Dach's value, what's the difference according to you?

Because in my mind Dach's value is around a 2nd.
Cozens, maybe, end of the first round?

So turn it around like you want, it's not that far..
We're not in middle of the 1st round or Logan Mailloux territory, plus Dach.

 

[Fjordy]

What about Svechnikov from CAR?

I think the Sabres may need to add a small +, but both have draft pedigree, similar cap hits and similar term left on their deals. Roughly the same age. Svechnikov has been more productive, but he’s struggled this season to find where he fits.

Cozens will fill a need as a right shot C, perhaps for Rantanen to play with and also has underperformed.

I’d love for the Canes to dump Kotkaniemi for Cozens, but don’t see why BUF would consider that. Don’t see a chance the Canes would consider moving Jarvis so, really Svechnikov is the only young player who could likely bring back a 2C. They’d be short a top 6LW and would have to hope Hall could reasonably fit there for the rest of the season/playoffs, but they could upgrade that position this summer.

Question would be, what’s the “+” from the Sabres and would the Canes actually move Svechnikov?

I would definitely be interested in that.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Illogical take.

First, how can a player with his profile and moreover, his contract can interest 2/3 of the NHL teams?

Contenders (first tier of the league) certainly won't be interested in such a player, with his 7,1 mil for question marks...

They're in win now mode and want performances for their bucks.

And then, a big bunch of the second tier teams won't be interested, for the same reasons.

And Buffalo wants, as far as possible, a player that's gonna be able to help them now back, not future.

So you eliminate another big portion of the league's teams, because they must have a player and the needs that fits that type of trade...

So your 2/3 of the league being realistically and seriously interested in him is more like a few, like 3 to 5...

You say that his value far exceeds Dach's value, what's the difference according to you?

Because in my mind Dach's value is around a 2nd.
Cozens, maybe, end of the first round?

So turn it around like you want, it's not that far..
We're not in middle of the 1st round or Logan Mailloux territory, plus Dach.

I don't see anything illogical in his post. It's been reported most of the league has called to check in about Cozens. If his contract is as prohibitive as you say why would these teams waste their time? It seems like your perception of the player and his contract doesn't align with actual GM's perceptions. The reality of a Cozens deal is that salary is absolutely going to have to be coming back to Buffalo. So that kicks many of your assumptions on his immovability right to the curb. I will concede his salary combined with his subpar play have certainly impacted his potential return. Comparing Cozens value to Dach's I'd say Cozens value has certainly been diminished while Dach's has absolutely cratered. Dach's still living off draft position while Cozens has at least had a full successful season at the NHL level where he topped 30 goals.

 

[samsagat]

I don't see anything illogical in his post. It's been reported most of the league has called to check in about Cozens. If his contract is as prohibitive as you say why would these teams waste their time? It seems like your perception of the player and his contract doesn't align with actual GM's perceptions. The reality of a Cozens deal is that salary is absolutely going to have to be coming back to Buffalo. So that kicks many of your assumptions on his immovability right to the curb. I will concede his salary combined with his subpar play have certainly impacted his potential return. Comparing Cozens value to Dach's I'd say Cozens value has certainly been diminished while Dach's has absolutely cratered. Dach's still living off draft position while Cozens has at least had a full successful season at the NHL level where he topped 30 goals.

Because making a call to inquiry is one thing, being seriously interested is another.

When a player is officially put on the market, all the NHL GMs will make exploratory inquiry, just to gage what's in it..

It's normal business.

Then when it comes to more serious business, the serious candidates pool will naturally shrink, by itself.

Even more with players like Cozens, where there's a big contract without up to par performances attached to it.

As for the difference in value between Dach and Cozens, nobody really answered what was their own concrete definition of the differences, but by taking unspecific takes that was emphasizing on the SO BIIIIIIIIG difference.

But nothing really concrete was established, apart from trying to downplay Habs player value.

As if the downplaying was the most important topic in the stance they were making...

I actually agree that there's a difference, but at the end of the day we're not talking about a premium player vs a shitty one here.

We're talking about two players, both about the same age, size and position, who have their own respective flaws and risks attached to them...

So to make it like they were in two separate leagues in terms of value, afaic, is an exaggerated stance...

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Because making a call to inquiry is one thing, being seriously interested is another.

When a player is officially put on the market, all the NHL GMs will make exploratory inquiry, just to gage what's in it..

It's normal business.

Then when it comes to more serious business, the serious candidates pool will naturally shrink, by itself.

Even more with players like Cozens, where there's a big contract without up to par performances attached to it.

As for the difference in value between Dach and Cozens, nobody really answered what was their own concrete definition of the differences, but by taking unspecific takes that was emphasizing on the SO BIIIIIIIIG difference.

But nothing really concrete was established, apart from trying to downplay Habs player value.

As if the downplaying was the most important topic in the stance they were making...

I actually agree that there's a difference, but at the end of the day we're not talking about a premium player vs a shitty one here.

We're talking about two players, both about the same age, size and position, who have their own respective flaws and risks attached to them...

So to make it like they were in two separate leagues in terms of value, afaic, is an exaggerated stance...

As a fan of a team who would probably be interested in either I definitely view Cozens as having the higher ceiling at this point. I think 1 player having a 30 goal and nearly 70 points season, vs the other never never reaching 40 points is pretty relevant.

I also think the injury history on Dach plays a big role too

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Trade rumors are swirling around Dylan Cozens but Frank Seravalli reports that the Buffalo Sabres aren’t “too keen” on moving the 23-year-old, who’s having a disappointing season.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Because making a call to inquiry is one thing, being seriously interested is another.

When a player is officially put on the market, all the NHL GMs will make exploratory inquiry, just to gage what's in it..

It's normal business.

Then when it comes to more serious business, the serious candidates pool will naturally shrink, by itself.

Even more with players like Cozens, where there's a big contract without up to par performances attached to it.

As for the difference in value between Dach and Cozens, nobody really answered what was their own concrete definition of the differences, but by taking unspecific takes that was emphasizing on the SO BIIIIIIIIG difference.

But nothing really concrete was established, apart from trying to downplay Habs player value.

As if the downplaying was the most important topic in the stance they were making...

I actually agree that there's a difference, but at the end of the day we're not talking about a premium player vs a shitty one here.

We're talking about two players, both about the same age, size and position, who have their own respective flaws and risks attached to them...

So to make it like they were in two separate leagues in terms of value, afaic, is an exaggerated stance...

Sounds like you're moving the goal posts over a team calling to inquire about Cozens and having "serious business". Neither of us has any insight into what teams are "serious" about acquiring Cozens. We know most of the league has called on him, anything beyond that is just speculation. So let's just work with what we know.
I never said anything about Cozens being a "premium player" or Dach being a "shitty one". I'm saying Cozens has proven much more at the NHL level whereas Dach's value largely hinges on his draft status and potential. I've been pretty transparent that Cozens value has taken a significant hit with his play this year I dont expect a lot in return. A deeper dive into Dach shows he can't win faceoffs, he isn't a good two-way player, he's dealt with serious injuries, he's already been traded by the team that drafted him and the team is trying to shelter him to the tune of 70% O-zone starts and his #'s are still underwhelming. If you could get a 2nd round pick for him at this point I'd advise you to take it.

 

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