News Article: Lebreton

[jbeck5]

I remember when we were waiting for shovels to go into the ground at Lebreton. There was even a scale model of the new rink displayed at CTC!

I'll believe it when I see it in Arizona.

But regardless, the NHL has shown that it will take extraordinary circumstances for a team to be relocated. So I wouldn't be worried about Ottawa just yet.

Or does anyone remember the model of the current CTC with a 20-30 story hotel and casino presented in the early 90s?

 

[jbeck5]

Sens rink is in the middle of the pack for age of arenas.

Is it? I thought I remembered going through every arena a few years ago one by one in a post and aside from a few older and a few similar age, the rest were all newer than Ottawa's. I also remembered looking at all the teams with newer arenas, how long they stayed in their previous arena, and it was usually 25-35 years. Our stadium is almost 30 years old.

It was a lengthy team by team post but the conclusion was that when LeBreton was to be completed around this year or next, it would fall in line perfectly with the average age and usage of stadiums. Now that nothing will be built for 5-10 years, we will have an older stadium than most for sure.

There are currently 22 stadiums newer than ottawas.
There are currently 3 stadiums the same age as Ottawas.
There are currently 6 stadiums older than Ottawas.

List of National Hockey League arenas - Wikipedia

You should really take like 2 minutes to fact check things before you say things like our arena is average age when it's clearly not.

 

[slamigo]

You should really take like 2 minutes to fact check things before you say things like our arena is average age when it's clearly not.

Jeez. If you look at a 5-6 year span, there were something like 15-17 arenas built. If someone showed you a 1994 house and a 1997 house, I think most people would say that they were pretty much the same age. So between 1993-1999 there were 16 arenas built. C'mon, that's roughly the same age. It's not like the arena built in 1996 will implode and the one built in 1998 is so much newer. Let's be fair.

 

[Micklebot]

Is it? I thought I remembered going through every arena a few years ago one by one in a post and aside from a few older and a few similar age, the rest were all newer than Ottawa's. I also remembered looking at all the teams with newer arenas, how long they stayed in their previous arena, and it was usually 25-35 years. Our stadium is almost 30 years old.

It was a lengthy team by team post but the conclusion was that when LeBreton was to be completed around this year or next, it would fall in line perfectly with the average age and usage of stadiums. Now that nothing will be built for 5-10 years, we will have an older stadium than most for sure.

There are currently 22 stadiums newer than ottawas.
There are currently 3 stadiums the same age as Ottawas.
There are currently 6 stadiums older than Ottawas.

List of National Hockey League arenas - Wikipedia

You should really take like 2 minutes to fact check things before you say things like our arena is average age when it's clearly not.

It's worth noting that MSG was pretty much rebuilt in place with the extensive renovations from 2010-2013.

There's basically the Saddledome which will likely be replaced soon enough, then about 12 arenas opened between 93 and 96, so nearly half the league at that time had brand new arenas.

A lot of teams will be exploring new arena deals in the next decade.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Is it? I thought I remembered going through every arena a few years ago one by one in a post and aside from a few older and a few similar age, the rest were all newer than Ottawa's. I also remembered looking at all the teams with newer arenas, how long they stayed in their previous arena, and it was usually 25-35 years. Our stadium is almost 30 years old.

It was a lengthy team by team post but the conclusion was that when LeBreton was to be completed around this year or next, it would fall in line perfectly with the average age and usage of stadiums. Now that nothing will be built for 5-10 years, we will have an older stadium than most for sure.

There are currently 22 stadiums newer than ottawas.
There are currently 3 stadiums the same age as Ottawas.
There are currently 6 stadiums older than Ottawas.

List of National Hockey League arenas - Wikipedia

You should really take like 2 minutes to fact check things before you say things like our arena is average age when it's clearly not.

I did thanks, 12th oldest,
NHL Arenas Oldest to Newest - Arena Digest
The middle third are all within 3-4 years. We're bunched in that middle third.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Is it? I thought I remembered going through every arena a few years ago one by one in a post and aside from a few older and a few similar age, the rest were all newer than Ottawa's. I also remembered looking at all the teams with newer arenas, how long they stayed in their previous arena, and it was usually 25-35 years. Our stadium is almost 30 years old.

It was a lengthy team by team post but the conclusion was that when LeBreton was to be completed around this year or next, it would fall in line perfectly with the average age and usage of stadiums. Now that nothing will be built for 5-10 years, we will have an older stadium than most for sure.

There are currently 22 stadiums newer than ottawas.
There are currently 3 stadiums the same age as Ottawas.
There are currently 6 stadiums older than Ottawas.

List of National Hockey League arenas - Wikipedia

You should really take like 2 minutes to fact check things before you say things like our arena is average age when it's clearly not.

The CTC is in excellent shape. Lots of renovations and updates through the years. Lack of use will extend it’s life.

 

[PlayersLtd]

The CTC is in excellent shape. Lots of renovations and updates through the years. Lack of use will extend it’s life.

This is interesting and I understand it with a used car but does lack of use really extend the life of a building? Other than the 'hardware' (HVAC, lighting, elevators, wiring etc...) how does a building's lifespan benefit from lack of use? I would assume the structural elements depreciate at a similar rate regardless of use, no?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Lack of use is not actually good for cars. Old with low km’s isn’t nearly as good an indicator of a vehicles internal health as high km’s with good service records.

 

[Knave]

While it's not that old of an arena it's in a poor spot despite all the build-up in Kanata.

That being said I think we're at the CTC with no realistic plan to move until Melnyk or his family decides to sell. Arenas require massive resources and while I'm sure he likes being a hockey owner he likely has other billionaire toys he might not want to set aside or potentially risk in a venture for a new arena. It's easier to repair and maintain and then sell the team while the NCC is probably still figuring out what to do with the land - and then that next owner with presumably deeper pockets will finance the more centrally located arena.

Over the years I've seen lots of businesses and companies refuse the upfront costs and instead choose to maintain an older device or building at a greater longterm cost simply because they didn't have the ability or want to pay that upfront cost. It wouldn't surprise me if Melnyk is in a similar situation.

I hope there are still decent options when that time comes.

 

[Micklebot]

Lack of use is not actually good for cars. Old with low km’s isn’t nearly as good an indicator of a vehicles internal health as high km’s with good service records.

Yeah, I imagine proper upkeep is more important with buildings too,

I don't think there's any reason to believe the org has skimped on upkeep, there's been a number of renos and updates done reported on.

Things like the roof needing replacement aren't going to change based on the number of events held since opening night.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Imagine that he didn't submit a bid because he didn't find anyone to finance the whole thing for him.

 

[Sweatred]

Imagine that he didn't submit a bid because he didn't find anyone to finance the whole thing for him.

Na. I imagine he didn't submit a bid because he would lose zillions building Ottawa's hockey fans a rink.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Not gonna happen. They'll continue spinning their wheels in Kanata as a low budget team. It is what it is.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Anyone who thinks that the location of the CTC is just fine, and there would be no discernible difference between there and Lebreton Flats have to answer this question.

IF Ottawa did NOT have a NHL franchise, and you were awarded an expansion franchise…. And could build an arena anywhere you wanted, within The Ottawa region, where would you build it?

 

[GCK]

Na. I imagine he didn't submit a bid because he would lose zillions building Ottawa's hockey fans a rink.

Why are bids being discussed. The process isn’t at the bid stage. If Melnyk didn’t respond with an Expression of Interest he is a fool. He may not choose to bid but this step is a no brainer.

 

[HSF]

Anyone who thinks that the location of the CTC is just fine, and there would be no discernible difference between there and Lebreton Flats have to answer this question.

IF Ottawa did NOT have a NHL franchise, and you were awarded an expansion franchise…. And could build an arena anywhere you wanted, within The Ottawa region, where would you build it?

I don't see how any can justify building a new arena in kanata. It makes zero sense with Ottawa current landscape. A lot has changed since the early 90s

 

[BankStreetParade]

The CTC is in excellent shape. Lots of renovations and updates through the years. Lack of use will extend it’s life.

Melnyk is a visionary. Lebreton deal falls through and he enters a prolonged rebuild that reduces the wear on the building he's currently in, effectively adding 5 years of life on to a building that was nearing the end of its usefulness. The vision is unparalleled. Wait a minute! Unparalleled...success...5 years...holy shit!!! It's all connected! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW.

 

[GCK]

I don't see how any can justify building a new arena in kanata. It makes zero sense with Ottawa current landscape. A lot has changed since the early 90s

I think a refurb of the CTC is the only economically viable option at this point in the city.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Imagine that he didn't submit a bid because he didn't find anyone to finance the whole thing for him.

They are not bids, requests for interests or something.

 

[Sweatred]

Why are bids being discussed. The process isn’t at the bid stage. If Melnyk didn’t respond with an Expression of Interest he is a fool. He may not choose to bid but this step is a no brainer.

I don't know ... he's probably $500 million short of justifying a new arena. Why bother.

 

[GCK]

I don't know ... he's probably $500 million short of justifying a new arena. Why bother.

Options. Never close a door before you need to.

 

[Golden_Jet]

We know Melynk can’t finance it, even if he could, it’s minimum about 12 million a year in interest costs, without paying down the cost of the building.
So unless he sells or gets someone to build it, not sure how it happens.
When they accept RFP’s, I feel like the NCC would want the lawsuits to be over,

 

[Sweatred]

Options. Never close a door before you need to.

I don't think any doors are closed. Right now the only thing stopping us from a new arena is a massive increase in HR revenue or an owner who wants to gift $500 million to Ottawa's hockey fans.

 

[GCK]

For all those who think a new arena at Lebreton is the way forward how can the 600M investment be recouped?

 

[Golden_Jet]

For all those who think a new arena at Lebreton is the way forward how can the 600M investment be recouped?

I don’t think it can, without investors, and likely much more than $600 million now, with how costs have been increased the last 2 years.