Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 5-3 against the Stars

Bluenotes27

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Missed high stick on Knies

Then Benoit gets a penalty where Blackwell subtly pinned Benoit's arm when it was around him to draw the holding call.

I think the refs let them play more after that
They will call that on benoit every time just because how it looks, I remember a trip Tavares had they could of been called and honestly was surprised Timmons didn’t get a call for the cross check on marchment and the max pat hit/cross check to the face. Could of gone either way
 
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Glad we got the win but my gosh we gotta end that first line fast.

Third line was fantastic.
I think the expectations are the big problem on that line. Everyone expects so much from them, including themselves, that they fail to do the simple things well.

Take Domi and Robertson for instance, both of them come in hot into the season, Robertson from the preseason, and Domi on a point per game pace. So much expectations suddenly arise, especially in this market, that they forget to just play the game the right way and let things come as they come, instead every shift is about chasing a goal or a point.... then they go back to basics, just make sure the simple things are done right, and the offense will come.... suddenly, we hit oil!

Same with the top line, we cant just end it, they need to become comfortable with each other, forget the expectations, forget about impressing fans cause you are top shelf talent, just play the game the right way from the start, the rest will come and it will come big.... no need to force it.

EDIT: kind of reminds me of the pitcher that threw a perfect game on lsd, or the bull durham part when he wore that contraption that made his balls itch, he never thought his regular thoughts, just the fact his balls were itching... and ended up throwing a great game. Sometimes the weight and anticipation of expectations is as heavy as a stone on your back.

I think someone did a brain scan of golfers as they putt and the best ones could quiet all their brain waves and only allow the part of the brain responsible for the putting motion to dominate. I think this is just as true of hockey and other sports.
 
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I hate the way this is going for Matthews.

He should be right there with Mackinnon and Draisaitl vying for second best center in the game, but we’re in the weeds speculating on health and other factors as to why he’s struggling, writing the hall pass for why he’s on cruise control and please show up later when it counts.

I just don’t see how hobbling injuries and or disinterest/cruise control can be a spring board to have more success when it really matters. If this is the state of things moving forward I think we have to put our trust into the team concept overall and not this franchise player leading the way.

That's a fair point. I guess I've just seen all of the boxes checked in the regular season only for the playoffs to fall flat. If he's having an off-year, to me, I personally don't care if it means he'll be able to finally breakthrough in the postseason. If he doesn't, they I'll be at the front of the line questioning why they wouldn't give him more time off in the season to get healthy.

I will be really surprised if he plays in the Four Nations Cup
 
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We don't give up rebound opportunities, it saves us.

When Tanev and OEL are out there together it looks like they’re playing a different sport than when we had our Giordano’s and friends. When you can play D and have the length defending it just makes a huge difference.

McCabe is a beast out there too. Benoit and Timmins hang on for dear life at times but they eat up space and are physically difficult to get around. Rielly is good when he’s having a quiet night and just staying out of trouble.
 

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It’s a miracle to have Tanev healthy and solidly reliable this season. Usually he’s so injury prone . The Leafs are fortunate so far He’s the best shutdown D of the team and him and McCabe are a great defensive pairing together.

I just love how steady and effective OEL is. A true professional.

Woll can make us forget Stolarz for a while at least until his return. Solid performance tonight, 37 saves.

Tavares was winning face-offs and puck battles on the boards. He made a great effort play on the nylander empty net goal.

Robertson scored a goal and was a puck retrieving hound all night. He had a lot of alertness, anticipation, hurtle energy and determination in his game tonight. More of this nicky Bobby please

pacioretty proved to be a quality veteran and a solid/underrated addition to this team. Adding depth, experience, occasional scoring and underrated sneaky/borderline legal physicality on this team. I was skeptical and had some doubts about him( injury prone, average at best as a playoff performer, apparently a bad leader in the locker room) but he quietly won me over so far this year.
 
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Beginning of the period, Woll was beat clean.

Wasn't just the goals. They got tons of chances when that line was out. Including a few breakaways and odd man rushes.
Yeah, but then the better team shut down the Texas Frauds, until the extra man goal.

Leafs better team, better goalie.

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Shot totals or not, it seemed like Dallas carried the first 35 minutes and the game evened out, the Leafs definitely carried the 3rd until the final blitz with the EN. The best game? No, and am I still concerned that this last ten games have been sloppy at the best of times? Yeah.

But I'll take a win against a top team.

Also yet another game where the Leafs can't get a call to save their lives but the opposing team gets breathed on and it's a 2. In December the Leafs have taken more penalties than their opponents in 6 of the 9 games played so far (Nashville, Buffalo and Anaheim).

Dallas must have some bad ice, I don't recall the last time I saw so many guys, on both teams, just falling down, so many sticks broken on shots and such a jumpy puck.

Nicky Bobby definitely had some spring in his step, that steal to the McMann goal was Marneresque. As I said before I don't expect that every game, but if he can bring that hustle every 3rd game or so he becomes a piece not to be parted with lightly.

I hope the chemistry keeps and the confidence grows, and I know its only been two games but I like the look of that 3rd line; playmaking center, sniper on the wing, big fast guy on the other side.

Aside from his goals, Willy didn't look great. He seems to be sticking to the outside these last few games. Matthews I was going to say was fine, but he's been lazy defensively all year, and Mitch wasn't noticeable on offense but made great defensive plays all game. I don't think there's a reason to stack the top line, but I'm glad it's being tried.

JT won some faceoffs and that's about it but since he willed them to the win on Sunday he gets a pass.

MaxPac, what an absolute unit this year. I love the way he knows how to toe the line, laying out hard, borderline, slightly-dirty but not egregious hits. He hit Mavrik Bourque both as a welcome to the league, kid and because his name is Mavrik and how don't you hit a guy with such a goofy, zoomer name?

Woll's athleticism and positioning is outstanding; that save on Heiskanen when it was 4-2? Hot damn. All he needs to work on is his puck handling and that'll come with experience. Please stay healthy.

Benoit and Timmins did not look good and have not looked good lately. Benny started rough, then got it together and is again falling back off, while Timmy has been an early pleasant surprise but has not had a good stretch of games here.

Otter was shitty, but then I heard the broadcast say it's his 7th game in a row due to a flu bug ravaging the team. He's their MVP, he doesn't have to make it rain every night.

On Dallas I liked Hintz, Bichsel, Johnston, Stankoven, Steel, Blackwell and Smith. Bourque looked like a boy against men, Marchment was garb, Heiskanen did not have a good game at all and I don't think I heard Jason Bobby's name once.

Once again a shout out to the Stars' PBP crew, Razor and Bogorad, IMO the two best in the business. I always look forward to watching the Stars' feed when they play them. Memes and banter, non-sequiturs and stories that they keep at an appropriate length, and Razor's wordplay is stellar. They're homers for their team as expected, but not under the table and on their knees homers and give proper respect to the opposing team.
You are spot on, these colour guys are one of the best, easy to listen to, while sn pair of goofs is a home crew in name only and simply horrible. As for the game itself, our Robo was better than their Robo this time.
 

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Moneypuck has us at 20% on the 'deserve to win O-meter'.
Not one of our lines won the expected goals for/against measurement.
Woll with a 1.26 goals saved above expected.

We don't win this without the big effort by Woll, he really stood tall.

Also, a big shoutout to JT. The last 3.5 min of the game, after Dallas pulled their goalie, there were 3 or 4 faceoffs to the right of Woll, JT took and won them all. His efforts then realized Nylander a 2nd goal in the game, and ended Dallas' night. Kudos Johnny T.
 

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I hate the way this is going for Matthews.

He should be right there with Mackinnon and Draisaitl vying for second best center in the game, but we’re in the weeds speculating on health and other factors as to why he’s struggling, writing the hall pass for why he’s on cruise control and please show up later when it counts.

I just don’t see how hobbling injuries and or disinterest/cruise control can be a spring board to have more success when it really matters. If this is the state of things moving forward I think we have to put our trust into the team concept overall and not this franchise player leading the way.
Maybe it's just all the secrecy but I'm speculating that Matty is working through some sort of rehabilitation program: evaluation, testing treatments/limitations, managing mental state/confidence, maintainimg team chemistry/strategy, avoiding rust as well as they can - all during low stakes games in December.

They can't just be playing him injured because they don't really care. And he can't just be this bad for this long can he? To me it looks like he's simply incapable right now, and they're working on that.

Being a leader right now may not be the priority.
 

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Woll was very good. I didn't care for the second goal but shit happens.

The 3rd line was great.

Nylander still cooking pretty well.

Buffalo Friday... dear lord win that one please.

Go Leafs Go
I didn't rhink Nylander did anything worth mentioning tbh. Below average performance for him imo.
 
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When Tanev and OEL are out there together it looks like they’re playing a different sport than when we had our Giordano’s and friends. When you can play D and have the length defending it just makes a huge difference.

McCabe is a beast out there too. Benoit and Timmins hang on for dear life at times but they eat up space and are physically difficult to get around. Rielly is good when he’s having a quiet night and just staying out of trouble.
Arguably the best overall defensive unit of the Leafs since the pat burns era. Both defenses are similar: both lack this elusive and elite Norris caliber trophy guy able to dominate in every situation and in every aspect of the game (physicality, offense, defense, special teams) they don’t have a impact guy like Pronger. But the whole is stronger and greater than the sum of their parts.

Tanev/OEL/McCabe/Benoit/Timmins/Rielly as a group is as reliable and effective as Lefebvre/Rouse/Macoun/Gill/Ellett/Mironov. Not spectacular but they get the job done quietly and smartly with honest effort, commitment to detail, hard work, grit, defense and physicality. Team work makes the dream work.
Very comparable top sixes.

In the 2000s….

2000-01:

Danny Markov/ Dmitri yuskevich/ tomas kaberle/Bryan McCabe/aki berg/ Dave Manson/ Cory cross/Wade belak(we should never traded Jason smith to the oilers at the 1999 trade deadline )

2002-03:
Bryan McCabe/Kaberle/Robert svehla / Glen Wesley/Phil Housley/Karel pilar/belak

2003-04:
Mccabe/Kaberle/Brian leetch /Ken Klee /Bryan marchment/Pilar/belak

I know our Toronto maple leafs missed the playoffs that season but on paper they had a good defense. Andrew RayCroft had 37 wins, 3.00 GAA, and a .899 SV%, but his very poor performances and his tendencies to let in so many bad goals at the wrong time definitely cost the maple leafs a guaranteed playoff spot. I think the rask for RayCroft trade is easily the worst trade of the century for Toronto. It haunted us because Rask consistently tortured the leafs in the playoffs the following decade.

2006-07 :

Kubina/McCabe/Kaberle/gill/belak/white/colaicovo/brendan bell
 
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You are spot on, these colour guys are one of the best, easy to listen to, while sn pair of goofs is a home crew in name only and simply horrible. As for the game itself, our Robo was better than their Robo this time.

Goddamn right. When you sail the high seas as often as I do - and I have ESPN but look at that, random games will be blacked out (Pittsburgh was blacked out in my area), you have the chance to listen to the opposing feeds.

Standout feeds I've noticed are Dallas, Colorado, Detroit, Carolina and Philly. Meanwhile the team that's one of three or four that kept the league alive during several of the hard times, lockouts and Covid, gets a bunch of amateurs. SN is crap, TSN is decent but not top-end and Prime - an American company - is killer. Ron MacLean continues to write opening monologues that make me roll my eyes so hard I feel like I'm in REM sleep.

It should not be this way...but as long as the best talent prefers to live and work in America, it will be.
 

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I didn't love the 2nd goal that Woll gave up would like him to have that one.

But he bounced back after that and was VERY strong from that point on including a SPECTACULAR 2 on 1 save.

See? all I ever wanted was goaltending that didn't piss away points like Samsonov, Campbell, Mrazek, Sparks and Hutchinson all did.

Now the Leafs are 1st in the Atlantic, why? because they are FINALLY getting NHL caliber goaltending which they haven't gotten in YEARS
 

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Goddamn right. When you sail the high seas as often as I do - and I have ESPN but look at that, random games will be blacked out (Pittsburgh was blacked out in my area), you have the chance to listen to the opposing feeds.

Standout feeds I've noticed are Dallas, Colorado, Detroit, Carolina and Philly. Meanwhile the team that's one of three or four that kept the league alive during several of the hard times, lockouts and Covid, gets a bunch of amateurs. SN is crap, TSN is decent but not top-end and Prime - an American company - is killer. Ron MacLean continues to write opening monologues that make me roll my eyes so hard I feel like I'm in REM sleep.

It should not be this way...but as long as the best talent prefers to live and work in America, it will be.
The Seattle kraken have a good crew of announcers too. John Forslund, the former Carolina Hurricanes play by play man left for the kraken to call regular season games for them.


I miss Bob cole/Harry neale/dick Irvin/ don cherry on hnic. And joe Bowen and Jim Ralph on tsn/Sportsnet. Chris cuthbert is decent though, but I miss the voice, old school charm, classic professionalism, enthusiasm and description of Bob cole, and the witty banter, clever analysis and hockey stories of Harry Neale. As a duo, they were charming and unstoppable.
 
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Leafs get another stellar performance from their goalie. They've needed that alot this year.

3rd Line was on fire. Domi, McMann and Robertson were on cue.

A couple of weeks ago I said that Robertson should watch old clips of Theo Fleury, a much slighter player than Robertson but a dog on the bone with the puck, I saw flashes of that kind of player tonight. He was bumping when the hit was there, he headed to the net without hesitation and multiple times he hounded the loose pucks for goals. If he plays this way every night, he can be a threat to the opponent.
 

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