Zero fights this year. Provides no offence or defence. Too slow to catch up to the play and be physical.
What value does he provide?
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What value does he provide?
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11) there’s maybe 10 guys in the league that are an even trade to have them both sit for 5
It’s at the point that even upper middle class plugs like Hathaway are a bad trade off for their team to sit for 5.
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Lol +/-. Not even the worst on the team. The stat is not really reflective of anything. Reeves for instance is -1 on the year which of course is why you decided to include last year.
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The guy is 38 years old and credit to him for having a career and getting paid millions with limited tools
I think he brings an energy and passion to the room and that is the main reason he’s here. The players seem to love him.
Makes no sense though why he wouldn’t fight Hathaway
I think he brings an energy and passion to the room and that is the main reason he’s here. The players seem to love him.
Makes no sense though why he wouldn’t fight Hathaway
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It was a bad signing from the beginning. Tre gave him a retirement check.
This "enforcer" crap is so over blown. Who gets intimidated anymore? With all that armour and shields players have a much greater chance getting hurt from losing balance and hitting the ice hard.
Remember when Domi went after that kid who never had a fight before? Right after the game the kid looked like a model ....not a scratch on him and he laughed. Do you think he was intimidated? Domi jumped him and all it accomplished was the Leafs going on the PK.
The game has changed.
You dont need goons anymore. You need tough players that play hard but have some skill. Either defensively or offensively. Reaves offers none of that and has to be constantly sheltered.
But hey.......he sure Yaps from the bench with the best of them.
Has Reaves deterred any opposing players from taking advantage of our players? I havent seen it yet. And why would any player be? Reaves sees 5-8 mins a game. Cant play him anymore because he such a liability.
I think if we put a cutout of him on the end of the bench with a recording of him yapping ...it will accomplish as much positive as what he gives the team now. Oh ....and take his playlist seeing it was one of the reason Tre thought was needed in the locker room
This "enforcer" crap is so over blown. Who gets intimidated anymore? With all that armour and shields players have a much greater chance getting hurt from losing balance and hitting the ice hard.
Remember when Domi went after that kid who never had a fight before? Right after the game the kid looked like a model ....not a scratch on him and he laughed. Do you think he was intimidated? Domi jumped him and all it accomplished was the Leafs going on the PK.
The game has changed.
You dont need goons anymore. You need tough players that play hard but have some skill. Either defensively or offensively. Reaves offers none of that and has to be constantly sheltered.
But hey.......he sure Yaps from the bench with the best of them.
Has Reaves deterred any opposing players from taking advantage of our players? I havent seen it yet. And why would any player be? Reaves sees 5-8 mins a game. Cant play him anymore because he such a liability.
I think if we put a cutout of him on the end of the bench with a recording of him yapping ...it will accomplish as much positive as what he gives the team now. Oh ....and take his playlist seeing it was one of the reason Tre thought was needed in the locker room
Although I've always been a defender of enforcers and their place in the game; Reaves is done. Great guy (I'm sure), but he is now a liability on the ice when he isn't doing his primary job. Rather get a banger 4th liner who can hit and has some defensive acumen.
You are 100% correct but...if last night was a playoff game Philly would have beaten us being physically tougher, maybe fights, if Reaves was not on the bench. We can ditch him but we need a real tough player(not a goon) to take that spot. Like a young Maroon, Olivier, even a very tough dman like a young Schenn.
Part of hockey is the face to face challenge, the words spoken off the bench. Sorry, but Max Domi chirping is not that.
Last night it looked like Reilly was intimidated.
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To fight both players have to be willing.
I didn't notice that, maybe I wasn't looking for it. We outhit them 2-1 in the game, and I didn't see anyone "intimidated" by Philly. They have 1 guy on their team that is "intimidating" and I didn't see him do much. I doubt Philly could beat us in the playoffs period. Also, fighting is EXTREMELY rare in the playoffs now.
I believe Reaves effected it to keep Philly in line. It could be anyone.
The 2 to 1 hits stats is never real. What is counted never seems to balance. I am not suggesting that we don't have guys who can hit, rub outs, but in a series you can waste a period or even a game to intimidate your opponent. Florida does it. Mitchy needs protection. AM needs protection so they can do their best. Gretzky needed protection.
We have more committed players than we have ever had, and a coach and gm who get it.
Messier dominated games and never needed to fight, but teams were afraid of him.
I want Mitchy to be Mitchy when the going gets tough. He needs protection from the bums sent out to stop him.
Ok, if that's your thesis, who is your solution? Because Reaves didn't deter shit last year in the playoffs. To be fair, I don't think the team overall has been pushed around the last two years in the playoffs. I think certain players don't get the space they have in regular season, they refuse to adapt their game, and they get shut down. Marner hasn't been injured, or bullied into sucking in the playoffs. He just doesn't adapt his style because he only knows how to play 1 way.
When the face washing starts, when Mrs. Mitchy says please don't get a stitch on your face, the coach needs to have a very tough forward to put out with him who can stop it. Reaves is not the guy. He can't skate. They tried Folingo, a bust here. But that type of guy.
Reeves won't play in the playoffs. He's in for the long grind that is the regular season.
Once again, who? You want a guy who can wing on the top line of the Leafs that isn't Knies, so who is it? Who is this mythical player you speak of that will allow no harm or face washing to occur? I think you are still believing this is the NHL of pre 2000s.
I am not the gm. I don't know who, but if something is not done we will get the same result from Mitchy and 58 years of nothing. if you think this is pre 2000, so be it, but you have seen the last 5 playoffs with Mitchy...so what is your solution. How about Alex Tuch from Sabres.
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His value to the team are things we as fans can't see which is frustrating to us because we can all (including the Leafs) see he is cooked on the ice. But he has had a big part in making us more of a TEAM which is something other management groups never did.
Babcock fragmented the room with his power trips
Keefe allowed an environment where cliques formed and Swedes were with Swedes, small groups with each other, team didn't do events as a group, etc.
This leadership understands winning teams are TEAMS. Reaves is a part of that identity.
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Reaves is no deterrent. Zero. Any thoughts that he is... is badly misplaced. A guy playing six minutes a game, is rarely going to make any difference. They don't stop injuries, and they are liabilities.
That isn't to say I don't like toughness, but it has to be in addition to playing hockey. I'd love Olivier, McBain... if they were available, which doesn't appear to be the case.
Agree, Reaves has proved to be of little value, but he us what we have, and some games it helps. But he gas lost his desire..he has become only the DJ.
When he doesn't do his job it hurts team morale. and maybe confidence a little.
Certainly when he does his job they play a little taller
Other than when we traded the unicorn that is Sam Lafferty, I've never seen so many pages discussing a 4th line winger.
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Th question becomes, if not last night, then why any game? He really missed a chance to argue his worth in the lineup last night. He won’t be on the playoff roster.
