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Leafs powerplay simply unacceptable given the amount of money on it

Starts when your PP QB doesn’t even know how to shoot. Automatic non threat. All he does is pass to the wall. It’s all perimeter play. It’s f***ing atrocious.
Passing to the perimeter is perfectly fine, however the passes have to be quicker and on the tape, and the receiver can’t cradle it waiting for someone to move.
How often do you see the guy with the puck the only person that’s moving their feet and they skate themselves into a situation where they have to try a flip pass over a stick that receiver has to corral in his skates.
Because they can’t make simple passes, one play can’t feed the next, and theyre forced to start over, or they lose possession.
 
Leafs have 4 of the top 10 highest paid players in the league and PP operating at 18th overall.

The Leafs PP runs through Magic Mitch, a so called playmaking & passing savant.

The results speak for themselves.

Without a strong PP the Leafs will be an easy out come playoff time again.

A good chunk of the season your boy Willy was being double shifted on the PP.

Marner looked better with the second unit that scored as soon as Berube swapped that up a couple of games ago. Maybe you saw the analysts highlighting how much movement Marner brings to the otherwise stationary PP, and how Craig Simpson said the best thing they could do is get the puck in Marner's hands as often as they can.

That all said, Marner is way too cutesy a lot of the time on the PP too.
 
It's pretty funny that everybody is attacking the 1st unit, when our real issue this year is that our 2nd unit has scored a grand total of 1 PP goal the whole year (and even that was while Marner was out there).
The Leafs PP runs through Magic Mitch, a so called playmaking & passing savant. The results speak for themselves.
Marner is 2nd in the league in PP points, and 3rd in PP points per 60. The results do speak for themselves.
 
We've been running it back for a billion years now, this isn't a surprise

It's our reality. There will be no changes
 
It is the pattern for this organization: No matter how many times the stars fail, just keep giving them big extensions and trotting them out there because maybe they'll figure it out one day.
 
Because none of these coaches have the balls to remove some of the stars off the PP. Berube is an even bigger p***y than Keefe was.
This makes me question if there’s some meddling from above. Despite the revolving door of coaches and assistants, the PP has looked pretty much the same.

I struggle to believe any coach would take the job knowing they don’t have control. But it strikes me odd that it’s never seem to change in any meaningful way.
 
A good chunk of the season your boy Willy was being double shifted on the PP.

Marner looked better with the second unit that scored as soon as Berube swapped that up a couple of games ago. Maybe you saw the analysts highlighting how much movement Marner brings to the otherwise stationary PP, and how Craig Simpson said the best thing they could do is get the puck in Marner's hands as often as they can.

That all said, Marner is way too cutesy a lot of the time on the PP too.
That was my point entirely .. Everyone praising Marner for his magic on the PP YET Leafs PP is not even in the top 1/2 of the league despite all the talent and ALL that COST !!!!.

I guess its not the results that matter in this case only praise for failure. :wg:

Somehow Willy, Auston and JT are struggling to score while a man up, but the playmaker himself who seldom scores, is getting heaps of praise for outstanding performance, and he masterfully makes 5 foot passes on the perimter as the PP QB.

What am I missing here?

I see a broken underwhelming and underperforming PP#1, so I also would make changes .
 
That was my point entirely .. Everyone praising Marner for his magic on the PP YET Leafs PP is not even in the top 1/2 of the league despite all the talent and ALL that COST !!!!.

I guess its not the results that matter in this case only praise for failure. :wg:

Somehow Willy, Auston and JT are struggling to score while a man up, but the playmaker himself who seldom scores, is getting heaps of praise for outstanding performance, and he masterfully makes 5 foot passes on the perimter as the PP QB.

What am I missing here?

I see a broken underwhelming and underperforming PP#1, so I also would make changes .
Yep, they need to pick it up.
 
Seems to me there are several problems with the Toronto Maple Leafs PP1, as an assembly of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Rielly, with some variations, but I'll just focus on the technical since I think we're all tired of character assassinating them:

If you could track the amount of puck time on the stick of each individual Leaf, I would guess they each hold the puck too long for an extra beat, don't zip the puck around quick enough, far enough and don't actually have a shot 1, shot 2, back door play set up. Look at how efficient powerplays run and look at how the old Quinn Leafs used to have their Kaberle to McCabe shot. Sundin down low, Tucker back door. These kind of telegraphed but properly executed plays.

These Leafs don't want to move the puck up the ice with urgency, they execute their drop passes sluggishly, stick the boards and look around like they're improvising. The blueline QBing is clueless. And Matthews and Nylander aren't consistently anywhere to take their shot, electing to float in and out of their marks like it's a guessing game. All the while the passing is sluggish and the defensive coverage has ample time to rotate to cover.
 
I don't want to hear a single person try and blame Savard before they do that. How many years now with how many different coaches, strategies, etc and the PP has been unacceptably awful every year.

The PP lost them their series last year when they went 4%. What have they shown to suggest the PP won't be a detriment in any playoff series again this year?

The thing that really is unacceptable is we have a Hart and Rocket winner, one of the best players and passers in the league, a guy who recently was top 3 in the NHL in goals, and other star talent and yet they can't even consistently gain the zone nevermind generate chances.
Leafs have one series win in nine years. As early as the third year they lost some of us were ringing the alarm bells that this team might be another San Jose Sharks of the 2010s with skill and dominant regular seasons but little playoff success. After the Habs loss it was imperative that the owners decide if they want to win or not. Nine years later the same bunch are here.

Ironically, SJ as a comparison is a compliment as their playoff successes dwarf this cores successes.

Their PP failures are just an extension of other teams knowing their competition VERY well. As Ovie said, "same team, different coach". There are little surprises. They know they can keep them dancing on the outside, intercept the perfect pass attempt and go the other way. They aren't too concerned about a presence in front on the PP, they aren't concerned about facing a team of McCabes, only one exists when he is healthy. They don't have a Tanev on the ice every shift (a hell of a pick up by Brad btw).

If I were Berube I'd put Knies on the #1 PP and tell him "the front of the net is your home". Any big body willing to make life difficult for the goalie, I don't care if you put Reaves out there or put Myers up front for the PP and tell him to make the goalies life difficult. They don't have a great QB on the PP so there is that also...

As long as someone ties up a defender and the goalie doesn't like his presence, he has done his job. The odd tip in or puck going in off his ass is a bonus. You aren't going to score many PP goals when kept to the perimeter and the goalie can see the puck throughout.

There have been moments of optimism this year but I've not drank the kool-aid like many on here have, I'm too old for gaslighting myself. I know where this team will end eventually. Why would I think differently? It's akin to doubling down on a nosediving penny stock expecting it to "turn around any day now".

They aren't built for serious hockey. They are great players, but they take up far too much of the payroll. They have talent, they can skate around pylons and make sharp cuts, but they aren't going to be in the grill of the goalie very often. They will do great against certain teams and there has been a concerted effort to try and change their spots, but these spots are very difficult even impossible to change.

They have played the game a certain way all of their lives, through the talent they have honed and it has paid them very handsomely, more power to them. In a Cap era however, the team can't build depth which I stated in their very first RFA contract years would happen. I stated "how many extra cars is it worth to NOT win a Cup"? Or something to that effect.

They will re-sign the same gang. They will go down as the latest group of Clubhouse dwellers in a Leaf jersey who never win. The Leaf fans will continue to be mercilessly mocked for their mediocrity and the Leafs will set the historic standard of non-Cup successes. Who knows when the streak ends.

We can cheer them on, we can give the old Dumber, Dumber, "so there is a chance" every post-season. Accept the fate that Leafs ownership, their lack of vision, absent objectivity and dwindling courage generally ensured this outcome.

After year three or four, ok, you get a pass. After year nine and still have a job? You're a government employee at that point.
 
Leafs have one series win in nine years. As early as the third year they lost some of us were ringing the alarm bells that this team might be another San Jose Sharks of the 2010s with skill and dominant regular seasons but little playoff success. After the Habs loss it was imperative that the owners decide if they want to win or not. Nine years later the same bunch are here.

Ironically, SJ as a comparison is a compliment as their playoff successes dwarf this cores successes.

Their PP failures are just an extension of other teams knowing their competition VERY well. As Ovie said, "same team, different coach". There are little surprises. They know they can keep them dancing on the outside, intercept the perfect pass attempt and go the other way. They aren't too concerned about a presence in front on the PP, they aren't concerned about facing a team of McCabes, only one exists when he is healthy. They don't have a Tanev on the ice every shift (a hell of a pick up by Brad btw).

If I were Berube I'd put Knies on the #1 PP and tell him "the front of the net is your home". Any big body willing to make life difficult for the goalie, I don't care if you put Reaves out there or put Myers up front for the PP and tell him to make the goalies life difficult. They don't have a great QB on the PP so there is that also...

As long as someone ties up a defender and the goalie doesn't like his presence, he has done his job. The odd tip in or puck going in off his ass is a bonus. You aren't going to score many PP goals when kept to the perimeter and the goalie can see the puck throughout.

There have been moments of optimism this year but I've not drank the kool-aid like many on here have, I'm too old for gaslighting myself. I know where this team will end eventually. Why would I think differently? It's akin to doubling down on a nosediving penny stock expecting it to "turn around any day now".

They aren't built for serious hockey. They are great players, but they take up far too much of the payroll. They have talent, they can skate around pylons and make sharp cuts, but they aren't going to be in the grill of the goalie very often. They will do great against certain teams and there has been a concerted effort to try and change their spots, but these spots are very difficult even impossible to change.

They have played the game a certain way all of their lives, through the talent they have honed and it has paid them very handsomely, more power to them. In a Cap era however, the team can't build depth which I stated in their very first RFA contract years would happen. I stated "how many extra cars is it worth to NOT win a Cup"? Or something to that effect.

They will re-sign the same gang. They will go down as the latest group of Clubhouse dwellers in a Leaf jersey who never win. The Leaf fans will continue to be mercilessly mocked for their mediocrity and the Leafs will set the historic standard of non-Cup successes. Who knows when the streak ends.

We can cheer them on, we can give the old Dumber, Dumber, "so there is a chance" every post-season. Accept the fate that Leafs ownership, their lack of vision, absent objectivity and dwindling courage generally ensured this outcome.

After year three or four, ok, you get a pass. After year nine and still have a job? You're a government employee at that point.

There's legitimate value in being a consistent upper echelon team year after year on the surface of things, so I understand the doubling down and playing the odds aspect of things. You don't want to go through a decade of rotating PA Parenteau's and Michael Grabner's from the dark ages and never sniff the playoffs... I get that.

But if this season stalls out on familiar lines and it's a Matthews and Marner power outage again in the first round, I think you just remember the problem isn't depth, goaltending, roster construction, veteran leadership or any one problem year to year. It's just our top players are not capable of leading. These guys lose to everybody. They make almost every series look like the most epic 7 game classic of all time. If it's this hard, you're just not that good at what you do.

Right now that problem is far off on the horizon, but you can see a lot of troubling trends bubbling up.
 
There's legitimate value in being a consistent upper echelon team year after year on the surface of things, so I understand the doubling down and playing the odds aspect of things. You don't want to go through a decade of rotating PA Parenteau's and Michael Grabner's from the dark ages and never sniff the playoffs... I get that.

But if this season stalls out on familiar lines and it's a Matthews and Marner power outage again in the first round, I think you just remember the problem isn't depth, goaltending, roster construction, veteran leadership or any one problem year to year. It's just our top players are not capable of leading. These guys lose to everybody. They make almost every series look like the most epic 7 game classic of all time. If it's this hard, you're just not that good at what you do.

Right now that problem is far off on the horizon, but you can see a lot of troubling trends bubbling up.
Yes, you are correct, it's clear they lack the ability to succeed under pressure, in general. Let's go down the list of $9-10M+ forwards and see how many of them have a Cup or two, and/or how many have made it to the Finals. There are many I'm sure.

Let's also see how they performed on their stat lines through the playoffs when they did win.

However, if the team can roll multiple lines and each of them have an identity and a role, it makes it easier for the top lines and allows them easier match ups,. It's a bit of sheltering and babying them, but it is needed with these guys.

Fans on here complain when the 4th line is on the ice for a goal against a strong opposing line but don't see how often the opposing top lines dominant the Leafs top lines...
 
Seems to me there are several problems with the Toronto Maple Leafs PP1, as an assembly of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Rielly, with some variations, but I'll just focus on the technical since I think we're all tired of character assassinating them:

If you could track the amount of puck time on the stick of each individual Leaf, I would guess they each hold the puck too long for an extra beat, don't zip the puck around quick enough, far enough and don't actually have a shot 1, shot 2, back door play set up. Look at how efficient powerplays run and look at how the old Quinn Leafs used to have their Kaberle to McCabe shot. Sundin down low, Tucker back door. These kind of telegraphed but properly executed plays.

These Leafs don't want to move the puck up the ice with urgency, they execute their drop passes sluggishly, stick the boards and look around like they're improvising. The blueline QBing is clueless. And Matthews and Nylander aren't consistently anywhere to take their shot, electing to float in and out of their marks like it's a guessing game. All the while the passing is sluggish and the defensive coverage has ample time to rotate to cover.
You hit all the key points!
 
Knies should be the modern day JVR and stays at the blue print on the PP for the full two minutes.
 
Knies should be the modern day JVR and stays at the blue print on the PP for the full two minutes.

They have had a better player (JT) camping out in front for the past several years. Does no good if the puck doesn’t get there.
 
They have had a better player (JT) camping out in front for the past several years. Does no good if the puck doesn’t get there.
JT was more like the middle guy between the circles rather than the blue print guy like JVR and Holmstrom were.
 

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