Leafs powerplay simply unacceptable given the amount of money on it

[thusk]

I agree with you. The problem is that it doesn't work for him in the playoffs, so for dekes it doesn't work.

How you can know it doesn't work when it's the 1st year in this new system?!?!

 

[notDatsyuk]

How you can know it doesn't work when it's the 1st year in this new system?!?!

True - although several years of watching his playing style is pretty good evidence, I'll wait for these playoffs.

 

[thusk]

True - although several years of watching his playing style is pretty good evidence, I'll wait for these playoffs.

Its the same exact thing with exactly every leafs player, nothing specific to Marner

 

[Niagara Bill]

Laine has never played with anybody close as good as Marner when it comes to setting up players. A healthy Matthews and Laine playing on the Leafs would most likely combine for 125+ goals per season! Now that would be exciting!

Really, AM is not an assist machine, and most certainly Laine is the worst passer in the NHL. He once passed the puck at age 15. At full strength...he is a joke. Leave him in Montreal, it helps the Leafs

 

[Dekes For Days]

And no its not just resulting of goaltending, if you just really watching hockey... You easily see leafs are just much better to defend and gave up much less scoring chance to their opponent when its time to protect a lead.

Yeah scoring 1st a little more often can be nice but a least if they are able to keep it when he did it, that's still drastically raise chance to win come playoff.

Those stats aren't a system. At best, you could argue that it's the result of a system, but there's zero evidence of that either. Our defensive results are bad this year, and they're even worse when we're leading. We give up more scoring chances. This isn't even the best record we've had when scoring first.

We're holding onto leads because of goaltending. In fact, even with great goaltending, we're still kind of leaking goals. Even in just those 20 games where we won after leading in the 2nd intermission, we still allowed 18 goals against in the 3rd period alone. We'd just built up leads that were big enough for our goaltending to hang on. Those stats don't represent our system, and they don't represent playoff success. It doesn't even account for the majority of our season.

We're on pace for the 2nd least wins in the last 7 years when leading after 2 periods. Not only is our win percentage in those situations unsustainable, but even if it was sustainable, it doesn't mean anything if we're putting ourselves in that situation less and ending up worse overall. That doesn't win in the playoffs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Its the same exact thing with exactly every leafs player, nothing specific to Marner

It's pretty obvious that he's the most affected by the increased intensity in the playoffs (possible exception being JT), but as I said, let's wait and see.we

 

[thusk]

Those stats aren't a system. At best, you could argue that it's the result of a system, but there's zero evidence of that either. Our defensive results are bad this year, and they're even worse when we're leading. We give up more scoring chances. This isn't even the best record we've had when scoring first.

We're holding onto leads because of goaltending. In fact, even with great goaltending, we're still kind of leaking goals. Even in just those 20 games where we won after leading in the 2nd intermission, we still allowed 18 goals against in the 3rd period alone. We'd just built up leads that were big enough for our goaltending to hang on. Those stats don't represent our system, and they don't represent playoff success. It doesn't even account for the majority of our season.

We're on pace for the 2nd least wins in the last 7 years when leading after 2 periods. Not only is our win percentage in those situations unsustainable, but even if it was sustainable, it doesn't mean anything if we're putting ourselves in that situation less and ending up worse overall. That doesn't win in the playoffs.

Did you watch hockey or just watch the stats after the game ?

Last game vs tampa is a pretty good exemple. If you only watch the stats and nothing else, oh 9 Sc and 5 HDC against. close of 2 XGA... Doesn't look good but you watching the game and realize than the 2nd tampa bay goal was a shot Woll certainly want to see it back and outside of tampa 2nd PP, they did basically nothing all period long except 1 scoring chance on point and its finally Tanev who's saved the goal...

 

[thusk]

It's pretty obvious that he's the most affected by the increased intensity in the playoffs (possible exception being JT), but as I said, let's wait and see.we

Not really but you can think whatever you want

 

[Captain Crunch]

This style of play is not any more effective in the playoffs. If anything, it's less.

Hahaha! And the worst part is that you’re serious.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Did you watch hockey or just watch the stats after the game ?

I watch hockey and look at the stats. They both confirm the same thing. That we're not very good defensively this year.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I watch hockey and look at the stats. They both confirm the same thing. That we're not very good defensively this year.

We're not very good defensively? So why mention that in a thread about the power play?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think you missed the point. That style of play doesn't work as well for Marner, so for dekes it can't be effective, regardless of statistical evidence.

Seems you missed the point. My position is supported by the statistical evidence, and not sure what you think Marner has to do with anything, but it's quite hilarious watching you try and act like our MVP this year hasn't been effective.

 

[Dekes For Days]

For those claiming the problem is the second PP unit I would argue if it even needed an argument that the first PP unit gets the majority of the Time each PP.

The 1st unit averages around twice the amount of time as the 2nd unit, but they had, at one point, more than 25 times the goals. Obviously disproportionate, even considering ice time. The 2nd unit did triple their PP goal total in a game a bit ago though, so while still not great overall, they've picked it up a bit.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Those stats aren't a system. At best, you could argue that it's the result of a system, but there's zero evidence of that either. Our defensive results are bad this year, and they're even worse when we're leading. We give up more scoring chances. This isn't even the best record we've had when scoring first.

We're holding onto leads because of goaltending. In fact, even with great goaltending, we're still kind of leaking goals. Even in just those 20 games where we won after leading in the 2nd intermission, we still allowed 18 goals against in the 3rd period alone. We'd just built up leads that were big enough for our goaltending to hang on. Those stats don't represent our system, and they don't represent playoff success. It doesn't even account for the majority of our season.

We're on pace for the 2nd least wins in the last 7 years when leading after 2 periods. Not only is our win percentage in those situations unsustainable, but even if it was sustainable, it doesn't mean anything if we're putting ourselves in that situation less and ending up worse overall. That doesn't win in the playoffs.

So tell me, Dekes, what does represent playoff success because we haven’t seen it yet with this core? They want to get paid, yet they NEVER put ANY of the blame for the team’s lack of playoff success on their shoulders.

So tell me, Dekes, what DOES win in the playoffs? We have watched this team show us what doesn’t win in the playoffs for the last 8 years (save for that ONE series where they beat the Bolts, but then lost handily to the Panthers in the next round)!

 

[Dekes For Days]

So tell me, Dekes, what DOES win in the playoffs?

The point is that we get too caught up in the 'we need this, this, and this', when there is no one way to win in the playoffs. Cups have been won by all sorts of teams. There is no one formula. Play the style that suits the strengths of your players, and build the best team you can.

 

[Apex Predator]

The point is that we get too caught up in the 'we need this, this, and this', when there is no one way to win in the playoffs. Cups have been won by all sorts of teams. There is no one formula. Play the style that suits the strengths of your players, and build the best team you can.

They did that with Keefe and no success.

 

[Captain Crunch]

The point is that we get too caught up in the 'we need this, this, and this', when there is no one way to win in the playoffs. Cups have been won by all sorts of teams. There is no one formula. Play the style that suits the strengths of your players, and build the best team you can.

The point is that we get too caught up in the 'we need this, this, and this', when there is no one way to win in the playoffs. Cups have been won by all sorts of teams. There is no one formula. Play the style that suits the strengths of your players, and build the best team you can.

I might be wrong, but isn’t that the way they have played, and have won ONLY ONE playoff round in the last 8 seasons? And as far as building the best team you can, I would think that would involve making some very tough decisions including not trading away draft picks for rentals, which in turn helps to keep the cupboards fairly well stocked. Also it sure doesn’t help when the inmates are allowed to run the asylum.