Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose to Minnesota and end January with a whimper

[ACC1224]

This is funny for sure but Rielly shouldn't be in this picture - he definitely took a discount to sign longer term.

Even Tavares tbh lol

Obvious omission is 'One Way Willie'.

 

[NinjaKick]

cold streaks happen, especially with our injuries, we desperately need to get healthy and we'll be right back at it. the upcoming break is a blessing in disguise.

 

[Sypher04]

Well the one guy is playing like shite, and the other guy gets frustrated and just shuts down, figuring if that guy won't get off his arse why should I.

Viscious circle really

Ridiculous. Marner’s shit play isn’t on Matthews anymore that Matthew’s shit play is on Marner. They both just need to be a lot better individually and show some actual compete.

That said, I do agree they should be split up. They should be driving their own line each. They are both less effective when they play together.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I think a couple more losses and Berube is going to go off. I can tell by his voice when he was talking about last night's game. I can feel it.

 

[hoglund]

cold streaks happen, especially with our injuries, we desperately need to get healthy and we'll be right back at it. the upcoming break is a blessing in disguise.

They need Tavares and Knies back. Last night wasn't that bad, they sucked in the 1st period but were the better team in the 2nd and 3rd. They hit too many posts.

 

[Gabriel426]

We sucked at scoring goals when we were winning low scoring games early on in the season also.

If Woll shuts out both Ottawa and Minnesota, who both generated less chances than us, we wouldn't be complaining about the offence as much. Ideally you win every game 5-0 but we're outplaying other teams and losing because we have the second best goalie every game.

Ottawa generated nothing except for one chance where they had a 4 on 2 because of a broken stick and we couldn't get a save. Third period it's all Leafs, chance after chance and then the puck is batted into the air, Woll is looking at the colour of his skates while the puck goes over his head and in the net on the other side.

Against Minnesota - second shot on goal goes in. They get 1 PP, takes them 5 seconds to get a slow roller on the net that goes through Woll, 2-0. Game over.

Sure the offence can help out the goaltending, but the goaltending can also help out the offence. Ideally you have both clicking at the same time, but in a long season there's going to be long stretches where you have one or the other. Right now we have neither.

It's also compounded by the fact that Woll nearly always lets in an early (generally weak) demoralizing goal right at the start of the game which allows the other team to play trap hockey with the lead for the rest of the game. The team doesn't want to go all offence because they can't risk another weak shot on Woll going in, and the team can't play full defence because they're losing the game. It puts them in a position where they just kind of hope for a bounce or two without risking getting caught.

If our offence with three 10.5mil plus players, a two time rocket winner, all in their prime can’t score more than ONE goal in a game.
That should be the most concerning issue.

Not saying Woll played great….but you can’t expect your goalie to post back to back shutouts and win 1-0.

 

[Gabriel426]

When you had an offensive team that’s letting in a lot of goals you kind of expect that, but when you invest 44 million in 4 forwards and you can’t score, that’s a whole other new problem.

More like 46mil.
Yet I still see some here are blaming goaltending-Woll as the reason why they can only score ONE goal

 

[Divine]

If our offence with three 10.5mil plus players, a two time rocket winner, all in their prime can’t score more than ONE goal in a game.
That should be the most concerning issue.

Not saying Woll played great….but you can’t expect your goalie to post back to back shutouts and win 1-0.

Sure - but they average more than 82 goals a season between the three of them don't they? Let's stop with the nonsense here.

They have low scoring games and they have high scoring games just like all the other teams. The team is currently 11th in goals per game with the injuries despite being 20th in PP opportunities/game.

 

[Gabriel426]

Sure - but they average more than 82 goals a season between the three of them don't they? Let's stop with the nonsense here.

They have low scoring games and they have high scoring games just like all the other teams.

Sure but like I said, if the Leafs can only score ONE goal per game and the goalie allowed 2 goals. Can’t really say goalie is at fault.

The problem lies in scoring. Not just our 46mil fowards but the team as a whole. Having said that, the 46mil forwards need to take accountability of the lack of goals since they are being paid to score.

Holmberg, Lorentz, Kampf, Reaves are not the ones on the PP. I didn’t watch the Wilds game but over the past little while, our PP sucks. It cannot be a coincidence that other teams are just amazing at PK.

You can continue to love and adore these beta chokers as McD, Sid, Ovie, Kuch, Drai, Mack but they are most often fair weather goal scorers, when the odds are stacked against them, they choked.

Hopefully that changes this playoffs.

 

[Divine]

Sure but like I said, if the Leafs can only score ONE goal per game and the goalie allowed 2 goals. Can’t really say goalie is at fault.

What if they allowed 2 weak shots and lost 2-1?

Of course you can say the goalie is at fault when he allows bad goals, regardless of the score.

I don't know so many always blames the offence and puts zero accountability on the goaltending and defence. If offence is all that matters, we should be spending league min. on all goaltenders and defencemen.

 

[PanniniClaus]

What if they allowed 2 weak shots and lost 2-1?

Of course you can say the goalie is at fault when he allows bad goals, regardless of the score.

I don't know so many always blames the offence and puts zero accountability on the goaltending and defence.

Except that wasn't the case and rarely is with Woll. He played to a 2.06 and .917 last night.

First goal is a no chance play unless it hits him by accident. 2nd.. maybe, just maybe he can find that double deflection.. maybe. So it's basically near perfection to win.

Zero accountability on goaltending and defense. You are a gem.. really. The defense played a large part in goal 1 last night and they contribute tremendously to our lack of offense. As does our coaching staff that plays a late 70's table top hockey style.

Woll and Stolarz have terrific numbers. If we have a league average goalie we are in a wildcard... less than average and we are out of the playoffs.

This is on the offense most nights..

 

[ToneDog]

What if they allowed 2 weak shots and lost 2-1?

Of course you can say the goalie is at fault when he allows bad goals, regardless of the score.

I don't know so many always blames the offence and puts zero accountability on the goaltending and defence. If offence is all that matters, we should be spending league min. on all goaltenders and defencemen.

Both can share blame but when you invest half your cap on 4 forwards, I'm not blaming the goalie when the team can't score more than a goal in a game #7 on so many occasions.

 

[Gabriel426]

What if they allowed 2 weak shots and lost 2-1?

Of course you can say the goalie is at fault when he allows bad goals, regardless of the score.

I don't know so many always blames the offence and puts zero accountability on the goaltending and defence. If offence is all that matters, we should be spending league min. on all goaltenders and defencemen.

Point I am trying to make is that Lesfs need more offense, like more than ONE goal to give themselves the chance to win.

Let’s say Woll had two shutouts and the score was 2-0 and 3-0. Three of those goals were empty net. Its still doesn’t change the fact that the team needs to score more goals when there is an opposing goalie in net.

We would feel better winning 5 or 6 straight games with points over Panthers, 1st in divisions and challenging for 1st in Conf…. But at the same time, the teams need to score more goals when playing against a goalie.

Don’t understand why it’s either this or that for some here. It is the goalie for letting in weak goals….but our beloved betas chokers are all great, they just hit the posts, or got goalied… or the goalie and defense sucked their momentum….

Put it this way, if a goalie allowed 2 goals or less regardless of how weak those goals were, he did his job. Just like a pitcher in baseball, if he only allowed 3 runs in 6-7innings, he did his job, regardless of how those runs were scored and when they were scored.
At the same time, if the Leafs scored 3goals in a game, the offence did their job in terms of goals scoring. As this is a 3 goals league.

Ofcourse there will be times that goalie will bail the team out and vice versa. But it doesn’t change facts. Such as if the team allowed 5 goals, that’s on the goalie and the D, even if they win that game. Since the D and goalie didn’t do their job. On the other hand, if the team only scored ONE goal in the game, even if they end up winning the game, the boys need to score more goals bc their D and goalie can’t bail them out all the time.

 

[Divine]

Woll and Stolarz have terrific numbers. If we have a league average goalie we are in a wildcard... less than average and we are out of the playoffs.

This is on the offense most nights..

I think if most teams in the league had league average goaltending they'd be in a wildcard (or worse) spot. It's not something exclusive to the Leafs. Where would Washington be with league average goaltending?

 

[Mess]

More like 46mil.
Yet I still see some here are blaming goaltending-Woll as the reason why they can only score ONE goal

They showed a interesting stat during the game yesterday, that Leafs have 4 players making $46 mil and because of that cap heavy spending they also have 7 forwards that have played at least 25 games and all have 5 goals or less on the season., That doesn't even include the bit players and Marlies that dress from time to time like Minten etc.

If these depth players are only scoring 5 or less goals in > 1/4 of a regular season how much offense should one expect in the playoffs when the games get even tighter checking and lower scoring?

Leafs have scored 3 total goals in last 3 games against powerhouse teams like CBJ.Ottawa and Minny.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think if most teams in the league had league average goaltending they'd be in a wildcard (or worse) spot. It's not something exclusive to the Leafs. Where would Washington be with league average goaltending?

Think you replied to the wrong post or I just can’t make any connections between our posts.

They showed a stat during the game yesterday that Leafs have 4 players making $46 mil and because of that cap heavy spending they also have 7 forwards that have played at least 25 games and all have 5 goals or less on the season., That doesn't even include the bit players and Marlies that dress from time to time like Minten etc.

If these depth players are only scoring 5 or less goals in > 1/4 of a regular season how much offense should one expect in the playoffs when the games get even tighter checking and lower scoring?

Missed the game last night. That’s a very interesting stats.

 

[Mess]

Think you replied to the wrong post or I just can’t make any connections between our posts.


Missed the game last night. That’s a very interesting stats.

Leafs also have the lowest scoring defense core in the NHL.

Leafs Dmen have combined for just 11 goals in 51 games.

 

[Divine]

Think you replied to the wrong post or I just can’t make any connections between our posts.

Sorry, wrong post.

 

[Enniskillen]

Kind of funny that “lazy” and “disinterested” Nylander is the best player of this rotten core who is actually trying to win hockey games. Muchacho and his amigo don’t give a sh.t about winning.

 

[PanniniClaus]

I think if most teams in the league had league average goaltending they'd be in a wildcard (or worse) spot. It's not something exclusive to the Leafs. Where would Washington be with league average goaltending?

Washington are at a 55 GF/GA differential. 55!!. We are a plus 8. Washington are president's trophy contenders and would likely not be in a much different spot (if different at all) with a Blackwood or Montembeault.

WSH have 19 more goals than us in one less game. 19 is a month's work for TO if you take out the Montreal game.