Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5-4 in OT | Lead series 2-1

[DarkKnight]

Ironically, his terrible shooting percentage is based on him doing exactly that.... Hitting the net. Problem is the goalie is in the way. The 6% doesn't include the other key part of the problem, all the shots he's putting wide and into shin pads

Well that's true, he isn't hitting the net and he isn't scoring when he does. His numbers are off the charts bad. If he can just find some form we could win it all lol.

 

[LeafSteel]

Get some rest and get ready for Sunday. Nobody said it was going to be easy. But we have areas we can do better, better than they played the game of their lives and they lost. Seems everyone is healthy still. (Since we lost I’m relinquishing the game day thread to someone else for luck.)

Your terrific GDT deserved a better fate.

Hopefully we win on Sunday and you author the Game 5 Elimination thread to victory.

Go Leafs Go!

 

[Mugzy97]

Christ on a cracker this place is insufferable most times. Tough one last night, still took them to OT and easily could've been up 3-0. But it's like if we don't win 5-0 every night we're not good enough.

The playoffs are tough, the farther you go the more difficult it gets, we're playing the reigning champs and lost a tough one with sub par goaltending and two very unlucky goals against.

Nothing changes, go out there tomorrow and do the same things and try to take one in Florida.

Correct

I’d be willing to bet we’d all take a split in Florida and a 3-1 series lead before they went on the trip

 

[Mr_Fun]

Well, if the Leafs do lose this series it’s nice to know Wes MacAuley is the reason, losers always find excuses I suppose…….

I'm not sure where you're going with that one. I was literally agreeing with seventieslord that we shouldn't be blaming Wes Macauley for the loss and that there's no reason to think there's some conspiracy against the Leafs.

 

[Gallagbi]

I'm not sure where you're going with that one. I was literally agreeing with seventieslord that we shouldn't be blaming Wes Macauley for the loss and that there's no reason to think there's some conspiracy against the Leafs.

It's a funny topic. Didn't cost us the game, but that minor to end the game was crazy questionable given the circumstances and a blatant missed headshot is less than ideal.

It didn't directly influence the result like we've seen in the past but you want a better standard of officiating

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

And yet he makes $12M per season, not much less than Matthews.

Makes less than each of Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, and Marner. Closer in cap hit to Rielly than Matthews.

 

[rumman]

Think of Ovechkin. Once he started playing a more defensibly responsible game, they won a Cup. I would bet money a similar conversation happened with Matthews.

It’s hilarious you have OV and Mathews in the sane conversation, but to each his own…….

 

[rumman]

This is true.

But it is very possible he's dealing with something as well. The issue is that as the game gets tighter, he's needed offensively even more. It can't just be Knies, Nyander and a bit of JT for the goals.

Who isn’t dealing with something this time of year, perhaps thise on the pressbox?

 

[Racer88]

I think that Mcmann needs to be replaced by Robertson.

Ya, McMann has fallen off a cliff

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

.... Not to mention, all the shots he's NOT taking

He's missing 100% of those too!

 

[rumman]

Carlo has been very good for us but last night he had a rough game.
Have to hope he's alright after taking that huge hit in the first period.
A big part if we win this series will be how our D handles their forecheck and the physical toll it takes over a 7 game series.
Tanev and Carlo might be hearing footsteps everytime they go back to retrieve pucks.

Have to give it to Florida rarely do they not finish their checks in a violent way, some of ghise hits are making me cringe, that Carlo hit was no exception…….

 

[rumman]

If the leafs lose this series they need to retool big time, not just goalie but I agree that goalie will be part of the retool.
The biggest thing will be convincing Matthews to waive his no trade

I think he’d welcome a move to Vegas, close to home, in his home country, big market, nice weather, and the Knights have lots of great pieces…….

 

[rumman]

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Makes less than each of Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, and Marner. Closer in cap hit to Rielly than Matthews.

Don’t bring facts into the conversation

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It’s hilarious you have OV and Mathews in the sane conversation, but to each his own…….

You mean the same Matthews who's scored the most goals since entering the league, including more than Ovechkin?

 

[seventieslord]

He's missing 100% of those too!

They should make a saying out of that

 

[rumman]

You mean the same Matthews who's scored the most goals since entering the league, including more than Ovechkin?

No way 34 gas a career like OV, he’ll be retired and counting his benjamin long before he gets anywhere close to OV’s numbers, not to mention 34 will never be the physical beast OV is, but I won’t stand in the way if your delusions………

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

No way 34 gas a career like OV, he’ll be retired and counting his benjamin long before he gets anywhere close to OV’s numbers, not to mention 34 will never be the physical beast OV is, but I won’t stand in the way if your delusions………

Matthews is tied with Ovechkin in hits these playoffs (22 each). I'm sorry to hear truth is my delusion.

 

[rumman]

Matthews is tied with Ovechkin in hits these playoffs (22 each). I'm sorry to hear truth is my delusion.

So he’s keeping up with a forty year old in the hit department, wonderful, and even you have to concede a Mathews hit ain’t a OV hit, or does your bias run that deep?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

So he’s keeping up with a forty year old in the hit department, wonderful, and even you have to concede a Mathews hit ain’t a OV hit, or does your bias run that deep?

No idea what you mean by "even (me)", I'm not some Matthews fanbois. But yes, Ovechkin hits like a truck. But that "40 year old" (he's 39 but same diff) scored 44 goals this seasons so it ain't like he's run down yet. I'm saying Matthews has been the better goal scorer since 2016 (8 full years) and isn't exactly a shrinking violet when it comes to contact so that's a non sequitur. Maybe I should be saying "even you" should agree unless you have some sort of beef with Matthews.

 

[rumman]

No idea what you mean by "even (me)", I'm not some Matthews fanbois. But yes, Ovechkin hits like a truck. But that "40 year old" (he's 39 but same diff) scored 44 goals this seasons so it ain't like he's run down yet. I'm saying Matthews has been the better goal scorer since 2016 (8 full years) and isn't exactly a shrinking violet when it comes to contact so that's a non sequitur. Maybe I should be saying "even you" should agree unless you have some sort of beef with Matthews.

Your making my point for me when you compare at in his prime Mathews to a forty year old OV……..

 

[kevsh]

Your making my point for me when you compare at in his prime Mathews to a forty year old OV……..

Don't want to jump into the middle of this but Matthews scored more goals in a season than Ovechkin ever did, even "in his prime".

He's also light years better defensively, kills penalties, plays a more important position. And at every comparison based on games played (so comparing them at similar ages, fair right?) AM has scored more than Ovi at the same point.

A comparison by age:

So yes, putting Matthews in the same conversation as Ovechkin is more than fair.

Unless you want to put Ovechkin's Power Play goal rate and how hard he hits as your two most important criteria, then yes, Ovi is well ahead of AM. Otherwise, no.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Your making my point for me when you compare at in his prime Mathews to a forty year old OV……..

Matthews has 30 more goals in his first 8 years than Ovechkin had in his first 8 years. You're wrong about this and just can't bring yourself to admit it. You've picked a hill to die on for whatever reason. By every imaginable metric, Matthews has been the better goal scorer. The only reason he almost certainly won't match Ovechkin's totals is OV's freakish longevity.

Come on, you can say it. It will likely feel good to admit it. Otherwise, you'll just keep moving goalposts to some other intangible. Seen this routine many, many times my friend. My online posting goes back to the mid-90s Usenet days. All I have to do is keep posting inarguable facts (and I double-check them first).

 

[rumman]

Matthews has 30 more goals in his first 8 years than Ovechkin had in his first 8 years. You're wrong about this and just can't bring yourself to admit it. You've picked a hill to die on for whatever reason. By every imaginable metric, Matthews has been the better goal scorer. The only reason he almost certainly won't match Ovechkin's totals is OV's freakish longevity.

Come on, you can say it. It will likely feel good to admit it. Otherwise, you'll just keep moving goalposts to some other intangible. Seen this routine many, many times my friend. My online posting goes back to the mid-90s Usenet days. All I have to do is keep posting inarguable facts (and I double-check them first).

When all is said and done Mathews won’t be in the same conversation as OV, Gretzky, Orr or others, he’s z good player, but a overpaid underperforming player eho hasn’t won shit…….

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

When all is said and done Mathews won’t be in the same conversation as OV, Gretzky, Orr or others, he’s z good player, but a overpaid underperforming player eho hasn’t won shit…….

'kay. He already has 401 goals at age 27 but he "won't even be in the same conversation" eh? You do realize Ovechkin never "won shit" until he was 32, right? And that he got all of the same criticisms because of it? Same with Steve Yzerman for what it's worth. Never count all-world players out until they're out.

 

[MSZ]

I didn't read the entire Matthews vs Ovechkin debate. But in Ovechkin's first 8 playoff years he scored over 40 goals, Matthews has 25.