Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5-4 in OT | Lead series 2-1

[Blanka]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

I think it's his anywhere from 6-10 wide open chances that missed the net and could have sealed games for us that's bothering people. But ok. Lots of secondary assists and maybe decent defensive play justify the $13.25m contract.

 

[WillNy29]

It feels like the Panthers turned the page last night.

I dont agree, they looked like shit save for 15 minutes in which we decided to turn our brains off.

 

[socko]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

Barkov isn't a 2 time 60 goal scorer.

 

[DarkKnight]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

Hes shooting at 6 percent, like last year. A sniper can't have that, he deserves criticism. Love his 200 foot game, but hit the net bud. Isn't the first year we've see this either.

 

[WillNy29]

Yes that was my only beef with reffing entire game .. play should have been blown dead da instant Carlo played puck with a broken stick and a 2 minute penalty should have occured .. my guess his claim would be he didn't see it and therefore did not blow his whistle .. either way a reffing error which league will note

yeah its weird he couldn't see the giant 6'5" man playing with half a stick but could see the tiny biscuit amongst a cascade of bodies. Wes McCauley is by far the worst referee in the sport.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

Its because Barkov makes 3 million less and is known for his defensive prowess (therefore doing his job).

Matthews has 3 more points with one more game in hand and only 2 goals (therefore not doing his job).

Matthews is paid 13 million to score. Matthews has not been playing selke level defense.

That's why we are annoyed. That's why we are pitching. And this is not his first disappearing act when it comes to sd scoring goals in the post season. This is a pattern.

If you don't want to complain, that's your choice. But the posters on this forum calling out the people calling out Matthews is hilarious. He is not producing or doing his job. End of story.

We are allowed to be annoyed with him. This isn't he's not scoring a goal every game what a bum, it's, he's scoring 2 goals a series? None in the 2nd round? That's something to complain about.

 

[DarkKnight]

I think it's his anywhere from 6-10 wide open chances that missed the net and could have sealed games for us that's bothering people. But ok. Lots of secondary assists and maybe decent defensive play justify the $13.25m contract.

With his shot too, you get rebounds. His inability to hit the net is a real issue this playoffs, he literally leads in this category.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Barkov isn't a 2 time 60 goal scorer.

And yet he makes $12M per season, not much less than Matthews.

 

[aingefan]

Meh, it was a game of bounces and ricochets….Panthers got the last one.

Literally a game of inches.

Seems the buds were less robust than the first two games. They can dial that back up on Sunday.

 

[pcruz]

What are you talking about? 3 of the last 6 years they played LOL Montreal, lost to Columbus and last year lost to the Bruins who promptly lost in Round 2. The Oilers have played every cup winner the last 3 years, including last year where they were 1 goal away from winning game 7. McDavid had 10 points in that series alone and won the Conn Smythe.

Are you seriously trying to compare Matthews to McDavid? Just stop, you look like a fool.

Since you can't seem to come to reality,

Toronto, in the Matthews, Marner, Nylander era have faced these teams in the playoffs:

Washington (2017) - cup winners the next season
Boston (2018) - cup finalists the next season
Boston (2019) - cup finalists
Columbus (2020) - Definitely nothing of note....garbage showing.
Montreal (2021) - cup finalists
Tampa Bay (2022) - back to back defending champs and a 3rd finals appearance that season
Tampa Bay (2023) - 3 consecutive finals and 2 cup wins
Florida (2023) - cup finalists
Boston (2024) - had just broken all time record for best NHL team ever



People act like we have faced Samsonov, or Hellebyuk, or Demko, or Markstrom in the playoffs, when we have played against Vezina winning goalies at least 7 times in these 9 years.
I wonder if the Vezina Trophy has some bearing on whether a goalie is good or not ...who knows.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Hes shooting at 6 percent, like last year. A sniper can't have that, he deserves criticism. Love his 200 foot game, but hit the net bud. Isn't the first year we've see this either.

Yes, I'd like to see some goals but I think he's getting a little too much grief. He also had 3 SOG last night (2nd to only Tavares) and 5 hits (2nd to only McMann). It's not like he's having no impact whatsoever. And as someone else posted, there's this (basically the best player on the ice last night):

 

[rumman]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

What’s the difference in their salaries, therein lies the problem………

 

[kevsh]

Washington (2017) - cup winners the next season
Boston (2018) - cup finalists the next season
Boston (2019) - cup finalists
Columbus (2020) - Definitely nothing of note....garbage showing.
Montreal (2021) - cup finalists
Tampa Bay (2022) - back to back defending champs and a 3rd finals appearance that season
Tampa Bay (2023) - 3 consecutive finals and 2 cup wins
Florida (2023) - cup finalists
Boston (2024) - had just broken all time record for best NHL team ever

Yeah, this isn't as impressive if you actually break it down.
Washington Cup winners ... next season.
Boston Cup finalists ... next season.
Montreal ... Got their ass handed to them by Tampa in 5.
Boston (2024) ... Got smoked in the 2nd round.

This delusion of "oh the poor Leafs always getting great teams". They had 8 years prior to this to be the great team. When you keep pointing to the success of other teams, it's like somehow Toronto was handicapped into not being able to match that level?

Lastly, 2017 Reg. season:
Toronto/Boston - 95 points
Tampa Bay - 94 points
Florida - 81 points.

So, Toronto was as good or better than all those teams that year. Yet since then Boston's won the division twice and been to the finals, Tampa Bay 2 divisions, 2 Cups, 3 Final appearances, Florida 2 divisions, 1 cup, 1 final appearance. Toronto, prior to this year, zip. Nothing.

In other words, stop giving Toronto a pass because other teams built themselves up better for both the regular season & playoffs and not coincidentally have had much greater playoff success.

 

[colchar]

Woll was clueless half the game. Even the OT goal he had no idea where it went

Nobody did. That goal ain't his fault.

 

[colchar]

Never gonna win with Woll

Nylander was an absolute disgrace. f***ing zero effort. f*** off

That’s likely the season

Grow up.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

Matthews has 10 points in 9 games while playing a defensively responsible role and penalty killing. Gets nothing but grief from (some) Leafs fans.

The great and almighty Barkov has 7 points in 8 games playing pretty much the same role. I don't see Florida fans bitching about him.

We need him to score goals, man. That's like 90% of his game. The other stuff is great, but him scoring goals would be so much more useful to us

 

[arso40]

It feels like the Panthers turned the page last night.

I personally don’t agree but you could be right we shall see either way as of right now were in the driver seat even if they take 2 at home which I doubt they will but they exploited match ups yesterday I’ll give them that chief has to roll 4 lines he was over sheltering the domi line which isnt good for the flow of the game and the message Hes trying to convey if he thinks that lines weak build it so it’s not

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Kypreos is a f***ing idiot.

He’s hated Willy since the day he was drafted and has taken every opportunity over the years to knock him.

Can’t stand him and his equally stupid partner Bourne.

That’s the read I’ve done as well. Also seems like he’s working for Marner, or Marner’s agent, sometimes?

Nylander was completely gassed at the end. It’s Tavares that needs to get that puck out when he could’ve. But he’s Canadian.

I heard the other day how Kypreos was like ”Nylanders got the sweet spot, he’s not catching any criticism because he’s the third wheel”, not mentioning how he’s outscored and outperformed the other two for 5 straight playoffs now.

Send Willy to us (the Sharks)! We’ll take care of him and give him the spotlight he deserves

 

[arso40]

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It is hard to win when only half the lineup is winning when they are on the ice

I can't think of many teams who won without having a good bottom 6.

Would be really nice for the bottom 6 to take over a game here and there and help win.

Does that say nylander and Tavares have identical goals for and against at the top line ?

 

[arso40]

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It is hard to win when only half the lineup is winning when they are on the ice

I can't think of many teams who won without having a good bottom 6.

Would be really nice for the bottom 6 to take over a game here and there and help win.

Or rejig the line so they can it’s pretty easy since domi is being sheltered put him with Matthews put marner with Tavares and mcmann if you need to and put patches with Willy and holmberg and play Laughton line like the fourth line cause they’re drowning in third line minutes

 

[arso40]

They got outplayed last night, the 2nd game was 50/50, it's been an even series.

That’s your opinion we were in their heads not the other way around

 

[definedMF]

So... what do we do with McMann? Berube moved him up for 2 whole shifts with Willy and JT, did nothing... literally looks lost and timid.

Would Robertson be worth the risk? I would hope McMann would provide at least a goal by now...

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well that was an ugly game. I guess we knew Florida would come on strong at home down 2-0, but need to be better than that in game 4. Can't blame that all on Woll when Bobrovsky was even worse.

Game 4 will be pivotal. The difference between 2-2 and 3-1 is huge.
Would really like to see Robertson get back in.

 

[Rare Jewel]

So... what do we do with McMann? Berube moved him up for 2 whole shifts with Willy and JT, did nothing... literally looks lost and timid.

Would Robertson be worth the risk? I would hope McMann would provide at least a goal by now...

He should sit

He won't, though

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

What’s the difference in their salaries, therein lies the problem………

Obviously not as much as you think.