Post-Game Talk: Leafs hand Vegas a free win - 4-3 OTL

[keonsbitterness]

I’m implying you don’t give him max money on a 5 yr deal, the play was either a beidge of 2/3 years since he doesn’t want to give you term. Dubas as the GM has all the leverage, and gave matthews the term AND the money. Poor negotiating

For me Marner was the one who should have been squeezed, but that's water under the bridge now.

 

[NinjaKick]

no it's the opinion you get when you don't give a player that almost always sucks anu slack because he doesn't deserve it.

I can count the number of times Kallgren has been good in his career on one hand with fingers left over

that's fine but Kallgren wasn't the problem last game, he got us a point

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

?


He stole a point for us.

No he didn't there is NO situation where a goalie can have an 800 save% and steal a point

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You know What's funny? When I posted that Andersen wasn't the reason Carolina everybody said he was because he had an 850 save%

Kallgren was even worse at 800 yet It's not his fault.

That boys and girls is called being a hypocrite

 

[ZEBROA]

You know What's funny? When I posted that Andersen wasn't the reason Carolina everybody said he was because he had an 850 save%

Kallgren was even worse at 800 yet It's not his fault.

That boys and girls is called being a hypocrite

You hate Kallgren , we understand. Who would say "LEAFANFORLIFE23" dont like me so i have to say no to the opportunity to play goalie for the leafs.

I would say "hell yeah" and i can only skate in one direction. And would probably get killed by the first shoot on goal.

U cant seriously compare a supposed 1st goalie to a AHL backup. Most of us dont expect Kallgren to catch a beachball so when he does well above that, and we win or get a point. we are all happy. If we loose in regulation, then it will all be KGs fault again , dont u worry.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You hate Kallgren , we understand. Who would say "LEAFANFORLIFE23" dont like me so i have to say no to the opportunity to play goalie for the leafs.

I would say "hell yeah" and i can only skate in one direction. And would probably get killed by the first shoot on goal.

U cant seriously compare a supposed 1st goalie to a AHL backup. Most of us dont expect Kallgren to catch a beachball so when he does well above that, and we win or get a point. we are all happy. If we loose in regulation, then it will all be KGs fault again , dont u worry.

Yes I do tend to hate players that suck that's how that works.

 

[Racer88]

We lost because he didn’t make enough saves but I don’t blame Kallgren for the loss……..he played to what he is, a 4th string goalie. However we all know who put the team in the position to have to use a 4th string goalie.
there is the real problem

 

[Isaac Nootin]

However we all know who put the team in the position to have to use a 4th string goalie.
there is the real problem

Dubas injured Murray, Samsonov and Woll all at the same time? What a savage!

Jack Campbell is healthy, should've kept him...

 

[Racer88]

Dubas injured Murray, Samsonov and Woll all at the same time? What a savage!

Jack Campbell is healthy, should've kept him...

Nobody is saying that we should have kept Campbell so why do you use that to deflect from the obvious fact that Dubas should never ever gotten an often injured fragile Murray……….he only lasted 1 game. It seems everyone but Shanny and Dubas didn’t see that coming

 

[29Potvin]

Nobody is saying that we should have kept Campbell so why do you use that to deflect from the obvious fact that Dubas should never ever gotten an often injured fragile Murray……….he only lasted 1 game. It seems everyone but Shanny and Dubas didn’t see that coming

Murray also didn't see it coming! He even stated in his interview that it came out of nowhere! How did he not know he would get injured?

 

[ZEBROA]

Yes I do tend to hate players that suck that's how that works.

I hate management and coaches that suck. Players if asked should not say no to play. who will play instead of him? Will that dude be better? If he sucks why aint another goalie put in his place. Because he refuses?

No it is because of the management, coaches etc.

It is like trying to hammer in a screw and hating it for not acting like a nail. Pointless.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nobody is saying that we should have kept Campbell

Actually quite a few said that this summer. Shows the dangers of claiming you're right too prematurely.

so why do you use that to deflect from the obvious fact that Dubas should never ever gotten an often injured fragile Murray……

That's not obvious or a fact at all. There were valid reasons to acquire Murray, and we are like 5% of the way through the Murray as a Leaf story, and about 70 games away from the biggest reason we acquired him. Our goalie with injury concerns got injured, and our goalie without injury concerns got injured. News flash: players, especially goalies, get injured. And Murray is soon to be back. Lets let things play out before we start declaring things failures because they missed 10 early regular season games.

Last season, we got -21 GSAx goaltending. This season, for the record, we're on pace for +20.5.

 

[ACC1224]

Nobody is saying that we should have kept Campbell so why do you use that to deflect from the obvious fact that Dubas should never ever gotten an often injured fragile Murray……….he only lasted 1 game. It seems everyone but Shanny and Dubas didn’t see that coming

This board it too big for it to ever be 'nobody' but the vast majority had no interest in that contract.
There always seems to be the weird deflections whenever there is a perceived criticism.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You know What's funny? When I posted that Andersen wasn't the reason Carolina everybody said he was because he had an 850 save%

Kallgren was even worse at 800 yet It's not his fault.

That boys and girls is called being a hypocrite

You know what's funny? Someone who blames the goalie in a game where he played will despite his teammates hanging him out to dry several times against one of the best teams in the league, but won't give him any credit for a .973 save % in his two previous games, also against top teams.

That, boys and girls, is called being a hypocrite.

You would almost think he just looked at the stats and didn't actually watch the game.

 

[Racer88]

Murray also didn't see it coming! He even stated in his interview that it came out of nowhere! How did he not know he would get injured?

That may be so but the guy is injured so often you had to expect it

This board it too big for it to ever be 'nobody' but the vast majority had no interest in that contract.
There always seems to be the weird deflections whenever there is a perceived criticism.

Good point…..poor choice of word on my part

 

[Racer88]

Actually quite a few said that this summer. Shows the dangers of claiming you're right too prematurely.

That's not obvious or a fact at all. There were valid reasons to acquire Murray, and we are like 5% of the way through the Murray as a Leaf story, and about 70 games away from the biggest reason we acquired him. Our goalie with injury concerns got injured, and our goalie without injury concerns got injured. News flash: players, especially goalies, get injured. And Murray is soon to be back. Lets let things play out before we start declaring things failures because they missed 10 early regular season games.

Last season, we got -21 GSAx goaltending. This season, for the record, we're on pace for +20.5.

It is pretty obvious if you have your eyes open.
I have no problem With Samsonov and I actually like him..
As far as Murray being back soon I’m putting the over under at him only last 6 games

 

[29Potvin]

That may be so but the guy is injured so often you had to expect it


Good point…..poor choice of word on my part

I agree with you but that fact that he stated he didn't see the injury coming was funny to me. I'm sure Sammy didn't see his knee injury coming!

 

[ULF_55]

Vegas did not have to work hard for their goals, and the winner was a breakaway, caused by the skaters.

IIHF - Home

IIHF - Home

webarchive.iihf.com

Dryden was to blame!

 

[Racer88]

I agree with you but that fact that he stated he didn't see the injury coming was funny to me. I'm sure Sammy didn't see his knee injury coming!

Again correct but I haven’t heard anything that indicates Samsonov has a injury history so I’m sure that his injury was not foreseen

 

[Dekes For Days]

It is pretty obvious if you have your eyes open.
I have no problem With Samsonov and I actually like him..
As far as Murray being back soon I’m putting the over under at him only last 6 games

It's not obvious at all. You have no idea how the Murray as a Leaf story will turn out. It's funny how all summer it was only playoffs matter (and of all players, it's probably most relevant to Murray), and now we're calling things failures based on 10 regular season games in which you haven't even seen him play.

You like the goalie you have seen, you haven't really seen the other goalie other than pre-season where he looked good, and the overall goaltending we've received this year is massively better than last year, so what exactly is the problem?

 

[IPS]

It's not obvious at all. You have no idea how the Murray as a Leaf story will turn out. It's funny how all summer it was only playoffs matter (and of all players, it's probably most relevant to Murray), and now we're calling things failures based on 10 regular season games in which you haven't even seen him play.

You like the goalie you have seen, you haven't really seen the other goalie other than pre-season where he looked good, and the overall goaltending we've received this year is massively better than last year, so what exactly is the problem?

You seem really defensive over this.

Dubas' new goalie acquisition getting hurt after only 1 game is a terrible look for him, no matter how you try and play it off.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Dubas' new goalie acquisition getting hurt after only 1 game is a terrible look for him

I mean, it's obviously not a good thing to be injured, but a player missing 10 early regular season games does not automatically make acquiring that player a disaster.

Dubas' new goalie acquisitions are a combined +3.4 GSAx so far. That's a good thing.

 

[ULF_55]

Name	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Jeremy Swayman	G	05-Nov	Injured Reserve
Ben Bishop	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	IR-LT
Frederik Andersen	G	11-Nov	Day-To-Day
Alex Stalock	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	Stalock (concussion) was placed on injured reserve Monday.
Jake Oettinger	G	09-Nov	Day-To-Day
Mike Smith	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	IR-LT
Jacob Ingham	G	19-Oct	Injured Reserve	Ingham underwent successful back surgery Tuesday, per John Hoven of Mayor's Manor.
Carey Price	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	IR-LT
Vitek Vanecek	G	11-Nov	Day-To-Day
Mackenzie Blackwood	G	08-Nov	Out
Jonathan Bernier	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	IR-LT
Philipp Grubauer	G	31-Oct	Injured Reserve	Grubauer (lower body) is consider to be week-to-week, Andy Eide of the Kraken's official site reports.
Chris Driedger	G	24-Sep	Injured Reserve
Ilya Samsonov	G	08-Nov	Injured Reserve	Samsonov (knee) was on the ice Tuesday, per Terry Koshan of The Toronto Sun.
Matt Murray	G	08-Nov	Injured Reserve	Murray (groin) was on the ice Tuesday, David Alter of Sports Illustrated reports.
Joseph Woll	G	11-Oct	Injured Reserve
Robin Lehner	G	07-Nov	Injured Reserve	IR-LT

 

[Martin Skoula]

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Name[/TD]
[TD]POS[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]STATUS[/TD]
[TD]COMMENT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jeremy Swayman[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]05-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ben Bishop[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]IR-LT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frederik Andersen[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]11-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Day-To-Day[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alex Stalock[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]Stalock (concussion) was placed on injured reserve Monday.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jake Oettinger[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]09-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Day-To-Day[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mike Smith[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]IR-LT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Ingham[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]19-Oct[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]Ingham underwent successful back surgery Tuesday, per John Hoven of Mayor's Manor.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carey Price[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]IR-LT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vitek Vanecek[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]11-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Day-To-Day[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mackenzie Blackwood[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]08-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Out[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jonathan Bernier[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]IR-LT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Philipp Grubauer[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]31-Oct[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]Grubauer (lower body) is consider to be week-to-week, Andy Eide of the Kraken's official site reports.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chris Driedger[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]24-Sep[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ilya Samsonov[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]08-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]Samsonov (knee) was on the ice Tuesday, per Terry Koshan of The Toronto Sun.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matt Murray[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]08-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]Murray (groin) was on the ice Tuesday, David Alter of Sports Illustrated reports.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joseph Woll[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]11-Oct[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Robin Lehner[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]07-Nov[/TD]
[TD]Injured Reserve[/TD]
[TD]IR-LT[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Clearly this shows that every GM is an idiot.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You know what's funny? Someone who blames the goalie in a game where he played will despite his teammates hanging him out to dry several times against one of the best teams in the league, but won't give him any credit for a .973 save % in his two previous games, also against top teams.

That, boys and girls, is called being a hypocrite.

You would almost think he just looked at the stats and didn't actually watch the game.

One of those games wasn't a game it was 1 period