Leafs goal called good after review

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If a Football player tosses the ball upward into the air, would you say they possess the ball? Similar question for Basketball.

It's a stupid rule to go off possession and not the puck, but that was called by the rule.

I see what you're saying but I think that still highlights an inconsistency in the league's logic.

If the player possesses the puck even when his stick is not touching it, then in this instance the puck crossed the line while he was in possession BEFORE the other player tagged up. Whether or not it was on his stick shouldn't matter.
 
I'd argue when he has clear "possession" he's still offside

Post the pic of him touching the puck then with Nylander offside. Fans who watched the broadcast saw the clips over and over in slow mo and were explained the rule. At worst it was inconclusive and the call on the ice was goal.

If it was offside it's offside by a cm. Far cry from calling it a Duchene level offside like OP.
 
The whole possession by touch is not consistently called that’s the issue. I’ve seen a number of times when an offensive player backs into the zone with the puck and it is deemed onside because they have possession. But if you look really closely the puck may not be actually on their stick the moment their skates cross the blue line.
 
If you're going by the old off side rule, it was offside.

By the new ones, it's onside.

It's stupid and in my opinion it should be an offside. Given how the rules are written, it technically isn't because Tavares took his stick off the puck and thus doesn't have "possession" stupid as hell but that's what it is.
 
It looks to me like he has possession of the puck while Nylander is still way outside and Tavares is still not in the zone himself. He pushes the puck towards the zone and while technically the puck is off his stick as he crosses the blueline, it's close enough where you could argue that he still has possession and control. It's a grey area judgement call that I've seen go the other way before ( off side ).

IMO he's stick handling and not losing possession.
 
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The whole possession by touch is not consistently called that’s the issue. I’ve seen a number of times when an offensive player backs into the zone with the puck and it is deemed onside because they have possession. But if you look really closely the puck may not be actually on their stick the moment their skates cross the blue line.

This is the core of the problem with offside review.

The rules of hockey are written under the assumption that the officials are human beings and not in a position to judge the location of the puck down to the millimeter, skate contact with the paint, whether the puck is actually touching stick tape versus being a millimeter away, etc.

Therefore, rules like offside have always been enforced within a reasonable, non-game-changing degree of error. It’s an assumption that takes place in every single game of hockey played worldwide at all times. Refs do the best they can to get things objectively accurate, but the more important thing is that their calls are close enough that the margin doesn’t matter.

A handful of times a year we get something really egregious like the Duchene call, where an official just blows it entirely. Rarely does it impact the outcome of a game, but when it does, the ripple effect ends with that one game.

Now the NHL has managed to create this system where every little inconsistency, even though inherent in the sport, becomes a glaring problem. The decision to challenge a call becomes game-altering. And more often than we could ever have anticipated, the NHL somehow gets the calls wrong even with the benefit of video replay. This is a dynamic that impacts many games, far beyond the scale of the problem it was supposed to solve.

We’re all just sitting here waiting for the Brett Hull moment when the league finally admits this was all a mistake. They truly are not willing to arrive at a common sense conclusion except by the hardest way possible.
 
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The possesion part of the offside rule has made it nearly impossible to understand what an offside is now. No one carries the puck without it constantly being stick handled, so it basically is never actually touching the blade. In this case he is clearly in possession of the puck but because it’s not touching the blade of his stick it’s not offside? When stick handling the puck is not touching the blade probably >90% of the time.

I don’t care about this situation because the game was over but this ambiguity is going to mess up an important game at some point and the league will look like idiots (again).
 

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