Value of: Leafs excess players
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With the prices we're seeing for some players. The time is now for Dubas to try and move these guys. Especially Engval and Kerfoot. Holl plays a role and he's okay at it.
Recoup some picks for kerf and Engvall and move on.
Recoup some picks for kerf and Engvall and move on.
Engvall and Holl are meh who are UFAs and worth mid to late picks.
Kerfoot is decent but UFA this year and paid too much for his role. A playoff team would probably be interested at under $2m but Leafs wouldn't bother retaining and giving him elsewhere.
Kerfoot is decent but UFA this year and paid too much for his role. A playoff team would probably be interested at under $2m but Leafs wouldn't bother retaining and giving him elsewhere.
Why would they weaken their roster unless they had another deal lined up to upgrade it?
DickSmehlik
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I don’t see why not. 26 years old, has size (doesn’t use it though), defensively responsible and can pot 30 points. Should be able to fetch a mid/late pick.
Not sure what role Holl plays other than being constantly out of position or leaving his man uncovered in a high danger area.
Not sure any of these recover more than late round picks and the Leafs would likely be happy with that in order to open roster spots for the college free agents as they need to pursue a few to augment the loss of draft picks.
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Scouting report on all 3
Holl - Best attributes are when he does not have the puck. Positioning, gap control, penalty killing all very high end. Capable of playing shutdown minutes without being caved. Can't clear a puck or move the puck for his life.
Engvall - The softest player on the Leafs despite his size. Good north - south speed that catches players off guard, decent shot but scared to go to areas to use it. Good PKer. If he learned to use his size probably a 2nd liner but his softness means he is visible every 5 games or so and you think he is decent.
Kerfoot - Jack of all trades master of none. No real weakness or strength to his game, extremely snake bitten this year like missing open nets constantly snake bitten but 50 points last year. Can play from 1st to 4th line to patch holes. Good pker. Has moments where he can be very soft.
IMO, all three are going to be NHLers for many more years. I think Holl gets a multi year deal in the offseason for 2-3M. Holl would be a good add to a team wanting some depth who can play bigger role if needed. Other two probably a fit if you need PK help
Holl - Best attributes are when he does not have the puck. Positioning, gap control, penalty killing all very high end. Capable of playing shutdown minutes without being caved. Can't clear a puck or move the puck for his life.
Engvall - The softest player on the Leafs despite his size. Good north - south speed that catches players off guard, decent shot but scared to go to areas to use it. Good PKer. If he learned to use his size probably a 2nd liner but his softness means he is visible every 5 games or so and you think he is decent.
Kerfoot - Jack of all trades master of none. No real weakness or strength to his game, extremely snake bitten this year like missing open nets constantly snake bitten but 50 points last year. Can play from 1st to 4th line to patch holes. Good pker. Has moments where he can be very soft.
IMO, all three are going to be NHLers for many more years. I think Holl gets a multi year deal in the offseason for 2-3M. Holl would be a good add to a team wanting some depth who can play bigger role if needed. Other two probably a fit if you need PK help
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Magic Man
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They have to lose cap space in order to activate Murray from LTIR. He is practicing and shouldn't be out much longer. So, they need to shed one of the 3 players listed in order to become cap compliant.
Murray very well could be the goalie the Leafs choose to roll with come round #1. It makes more sense to have him ready then to keep Kerfoot.
They really don't though.
While It's true they need to shed 1.8 million
Woll goes down, Zar gets waived that's just over 1.6 million.
Really they only need about 190K
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Holl is not going anywhere.
Kerfoot is a more versatile player, is trusted more on the PK, and has shown he can play in the top six with better players in a pinch if there's an injury. Engvall's more straightforward approach of just firing the puck on net from wherever with a decently hard shot is probably a better bottom six skillset, and he's looking at about 15 ES goals this season, but he has very little top six utility. Kerfoot is a natural playmaker which lends itself to playing with finishers. Feeding Zach Aston-Reese on the fourth line hasn't been a recipe for offensive success.
Kerfoot is a more versatile player, is trusted more on the PK, and has shown he can play in the top six with better players in a pinch if there's an injury. Engvall's more straightforward approach of just firing the puck on net from wherever with a decently hard shot is probably a better bottom six skillset, and he's looking at about 15 ES goals this season, but he has very little top six utility. Kerfoot is a natural playmaker which lends itself to playing with finishers. Feeding Zach Aston-Reese on the fourth line hasn't been a recipe for offensive success.
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GrizzGreen
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The most exciting guy to get to the net... and then not finish.
Wish he had some hands in tight. Great skater, infuriating to watch him not be physical and have zero ability to put the puck away
If the Leaf's are dumping players you should expect to pay a team to take on those contracts.
I wouldnt expect anything more then a 5th round pick for a Kerfoot. Holl same situation.
Non-playoff Team owners and GM's are not going to add players who will be UFA's after the season, without getting a pick in return.
I wouldnt expect anything more then a 5th round pick for a Kerfoot. Holl same situation.
Non-playoff Team owners and GM's are not going to add players who will be UFA's after the season, without getting a pick in return.
Leafs can waive one of the three of them and be cap compliant.
They might not get very much if anything for whichever of the three they move, but they have no reason to attach/pay to get rid of any of them.
I do think a non-playoff team should take one of Kerfoot/Engvall, retain 50% on them and flip to another team for a pick.
All three of Holl, Engvall, and Kerfoot would carry a buried cap hit for Toronto. So no Toronto cant simply send them to the AHL and remove their full cap hit.
They do not need their full cap hit. They need just over a million, which is the amount they can bury.
Just because he doesn’t hit doesn’t mean he doesn’t use his size, he uses his reach well defensively and for puck protection.
Yeah so im not sure if waiting until Friday gets them that $190K or not. Is the team willing to lose ZAR? He's been okay for what he is. He may have a role to play come playoff time. I'm not sure he gets through waivers.
They also want to sign Knies once his season is finished. If he's not coming in until the playoffs then maybe it doesn't matter? They have one contract spot open for him tho.
Toronto doesn’t need to clear their full cap hit to be cap compliant. The portion of their hit that would be buried would be enough to bring Murray off LTIR.
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