Proposal: Leafs-Ducks

[SFD22]

TO TOR: Manson + Stoner + Theodore

TO ANA: JVR (50% cap) + Corrado + Leipsic/Leivo/Gauthier

Anaheim gets their cheap scoring while reducing payroll.

Deal could be expanded to add more money going to TOR. Leafs still haven't utilized Horton, Lupul or Robidas LTIR room. Bonus overages won't be a problem next season with lots of money coming off the books.

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[Exit Dose]

TO TOR: Manson + Stoner + Theodore

TO ANA: JVR (50% cap) + Corrado + Leipsic/Leivo/Gauthier

Anaheim gets their cheap scoring while reducing payroll.

Deal could be expanded to add more money going to TOR. Leafs still haven't utilized Horton, Lupul or Robidas LTIR room. Bonus overages won't be a problem next season with lots of money coming off the books.

That's pretty easy for the Ducks to pass on. We aren't coughing up two young, talented, and cost controlled defenseman only to get two years of JVR for cheap. Corrado and the choice of prospect forwards isn't good enough, and this is coming from someone that likes Leipsic a lot.

 

[xxreact9]

Manson can't be involved here. He's very good and very cheap which is what Anaheim needs. He's also their top pairing partner for Lindholm, so there's just no chance.

Otherwise I feel like JVR deal has been beaten the death, but this is the first I've seen with retained salary which is interesting because the leafs won't be contending this year or next. The Ducks have got to be willing to part with one of Theodore/Larsson/Montour, and the leafs have got to be calling about it. Ducks really don't have room to have 3 relatively blue-chip defensive prospects when they have a top-3 blueline in the NHL featuring many young players signed long-term.

The other interesting point is that the Ducks, for this year and likely this year alone, are becoming a momentary cap team.

I like the fit here, especially since you know enough to exclude Fowler/Lindholm from any discussions at this point. I'd drop the scraps and focus around:

JVR (x% retained) for Stoner+Theodore/Larsson/Montour.

If the x is 50, the ducks of course will be asked to add.

 

[MacerV]

Manson can't be involved here. He's very good and very cheap which is what Anaheim needs. He's also their top pairing partner for Lindholm, so there's just no chance.

Otherwise I feel like JVR deal has been beaten the death, but this is the first I've seen with retained salary which is interesting because the leafs won't be contending this year or next. The Ducks have got to be willing to part with one of Theodore/Larsson/Montour, and the leafs have got to be calling about it. Ducks really don't have room to have 3 relatively blue-chip defensive prospects when they have a top-3 blueline in the NHL featuring many young players signed long-term.

The other interesting point is that the Ducks, for this year and likely this year alone, are becoming a momentary cap team.

I like the fit here, especially since you know enough to exclude Fowler/Lindholm from any discussions at this point. I'd drop the scraps and focus around:

JVR (x% retained) for Stoner+Theodore/Larsson/Montour.

If the x is 50, the ducks of course will be asked to add.

I don't trade JVR 1 for 1 for any of those 3 defensive prospects (and I've been on the Montour train for 2 years), nevermind taking a capdump in return and retaining.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I feel like these is a significant difference between Gauthier and Leipsic haha.

Pass from the Leafs. Not enough incentive to give up JVR for someone who isn't a proven asset. Leafs will continue their year of up and downs, keep building through the draft, and sometime in a few years they can move prospects for need, or maybe sign a key FA at some point.

At this point we have tons of prospects with first line upside and at least 1 D prospect with top pairing upside, and several other top 4 upside.

Lets let them develop a few more years. This is also not counting any picks in the next few years.

Leafs are in the least fun part. The wait, develop and see stage.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Easy to turn down from an Anaheim perspective.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Hey look a Ducks and leafs trade thread, how new and unexpected.

Can't give up manson, Theodore has far to much potential to be in this kind of a move

 

[Vipers31]

Not interested from a Ducks' POV. Never been too much of a fan of JVR. Having a young cheap top-4 guy like Manson is invaluable, and he brings an element that's rare, even in the deep talent pool of Ducks defenders. Theodore is already showing the impact he can have - and is another cost-controlled asset with a huge ceiling. It's not worth it.

I don't trade JVR 1 for 1 for any of those 3 defensive prospects (and I've been on the Montour train for 2 years), nevermind taking a capdump in return and retaining.

Absolutely understandable, although I'd come close to betting that you'll look back in a year or two and admit you'll then jump at the opportunity of getting Theodore for JVR straight up.

 

[hamzarocks]

Not interested from a Ducks' POV. Never been too much of a fan of JVR. Having a young cheap top-4 guy like Manson is invaluable, and he brings an element that's rare, even in the deep talent pool of Ducks defenders. Theodore is already showing the impact he can have - and is another cost-controlled asset with a huge ceiling. It's not worth it.


Absolutely understandable, although I'd come close to betting that you'll look back in a year or two and admit you'll then jump at the opportunity of getting Theodore for JVR straight up.

If duck fans were okay with doing jvr for Theodore straight up I'd do it. But why are we taking a cap dump and retaining 50 percent on jvr to get him. I wouldn't do jvr for any dmen besides fowler, Vantanen, or Theodore(obviously lindholm wasn't an option even b4 he had resigned from the ducks perspective). I'd do jvr straight up for any of the three but i wouldn't take a cap dump or retain 50 percent unless we got another piece of value coming back on the deal.

 

[Vipers31]

If duck fans were okay with doing jvr for Theodore straight up I'd do it. But why are we taking a cap dump and retaining 50 percent on jvr to get him. I wouldn't do jvr for any dmen besides fowler, Vantanen, or Theodore(obviously lindholm wasn't an option even b4 he had resigned from the ducks perspective). I'd do jvr straight up for any of the three but i wouldn't take a cap dump or retain 50 percent unless we got another piece of value coming back on the deal.

Manson is in the proposal and is a damn valuable piece; he really can't be ignored in this.

And I personally would not trade Theodore for JVR straight up, while I can understand why some Leafs fans wouldn't be interested now, either.

 

[hamzarocks]

Manson is in the proposal and is a damn valuable piece; he really can't be ignored in this.

And I personally would not trade Theodore for JVR straight up, while I can understand why some Leafs fans wouldn't be interested now, either.

I don't know and haven't watched manson so i can't comment on him. All i recall from over the summer is that he was a good defensive dmen who played great with I think either fowler or lindholm. While a good piece, i'd rather get something less than him if it meant not having to retain 50 percent on jvr. I understand not wanting to do jvr for theodore. He looks good and will be a top 4 dmen as soon as next year. But the leafs would want one the three dmen I listed back for us to deal our best left winger.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't know and haven't watched manson so i can't comment on him. All i recall from over the summer is that he was a good defensive dmen who played great with I think either fowler or lindholm. While a good piece, i'd rather get something less than him if it meant not having to retain 50 percent on jvr. I understand not wanting to do jvr for theodore. He looks good and will be a top 4 dmen as soon as next year. But the leafs would want one the three dmen I listed back for us to deal our best left winger.

What makes manson good is his contract and the role he fits on our team (gives our defense some toughness, plays well with fowler and lindholm in big mins).

Idk that well deal any of the 3 big dmen on our roster now, but if we do I think vatanen would be most likely.

 

[hamzarocks]

What makes manson good is his contract and the role he fits on our team (gives our defense some toughness, plays well with fowler and lindholm in big mins).

Idk that well deal any of the 3 big dmen on our roster now, but if we do I think vatanen would be most likely.

I would trade jvr for vantanen. He's a bit small in size which isn't that great but he is signed for 3 more years after this season at a fairly good contract.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I would trade jvr for vantanen. He's a bit small in size which isn't that great but he is signed for 3 more years after this season at a fairly good contract.

I actually feel like the ask would be more then jvr, offensive right handed dmen are a premium.

 

[hamzarocks]

I actually feel like the ask would be more then jvr, offensive right handed dmen are a premium.

Maybe, if he were put on the block a lot of teams would be interested. But the best i think the leafs should offer is jvr.

 

[Ducks in a row]

TO TOR: Manson + Stoner + Theodore

TO ANA: JVR (50% cap) + Corrado + Leipsic/Leivo/Gauthier

Anaheim gets their cheap scoring while reducing payroll.

Deal could be expanded to add more money going to TOR. Leafs still haven't utilized Horton, Lupul or Robidas LTIR room. Bonus overages won't be a problem next season with lots of money coming off the books.

Manson is signed for under a million he is the perfect example of a do not trade because of situation player not to mention he is a good support defense partner. Trading Manson along with Theodore even with us getting rid of Stoner is a no. Don't want any defense coming to the Ducks so don't want Corrado.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Manson can't be involved here. He's very good and very cheap which is what Anaheim needs. He's also their top pairing partner for Lindholm, so there's just no chance.

Otherwise I feel like JVR deal has been beaten the death, but this is the first I've seen with retained salary which is interesting because the leafs won't be contending this year or next. The Ducks have got to be willing to part with one of Theodore/Larsson/Montour, and the leafs have got to be calling about it. Ducks really don't have room to have 3 relatively blue-chip defensive prospects when they have a top-3 blueline in the NHL featuring many young players signed long-term.

The other interesting point is that the Ducks, for this year and likely this year alone, are becoming a momentary cap team.

I like the fit here, especially since you know enough to exclude Fowler/Lindholm from any discussions at this point. I'd drop the scraps and focus around:

JVR (x% retained) for Stoner+Theodore/Larsson/Montour.

If the x is 50, the ducks of course will be asked to add.

You can't ask for retention while giving a cap dump.
Its one or the other.
Either way, you're selling JVR short. There is no way the Leafs would retain on him and take back a dump all for one of the prospects (though they're valuable pieces)

 

[MacerV]

Not interested from a Ducks' POV. Never been too much of a fan of JVR. Having a young cheap top-4 guy like Manson is invaluable, and he brings an element that's rare, even in the deep talent pool of Ducks defenders. Theodore is already showing the impact he can have - and is another cost-controlled asset with a huge ceiling. It's not worth it.


Absolutely understandable, although I'd come close to betting that you'll look back in a year or two and admit you'll then jump at the opportunity of getting Theodore for JVR straight up.

And in a year or two I might be ecstatic that the leafs have resigned JVR to a 6x6 deal, and sad to see that Theodore while showing initial promise hasn't adopted well to the NHL and it doesn't look like he'll meet his top pairing potential.

 

[Sojourn]

And in a year or two I might be ecstatic that the leafs have resigned JVR to a 6x6 deal, and sad to see that Theodore while showing initial promise hasn't adopted well to the NHL and it doesn't look like he'll meet his top pairing potential.

That seems premature. He probably played the best game of his career last night. I think it's way too early to cap his potential like that.

 

[PhoenyX]

Easy pass from Anaheim.

 

[Vipers31]

And in a year or two I might be ecstatic that the leafs have resigned JVR to a 6x6 deal, and sad to see that Theodore while showing initial promise hasn't adopted well to the NHL and it doesn't look like he'll meet his top pairing potential.

You indeed might. I know which scenario I consider more likely, though. You're free to stick with any alternative, of course.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Manson can't be involved here. He's very good and very cheap which is what Anaheim needs. He's also their top pairing partner for Lindholm, so there's just no chance.

Otherwise I feel like JVR deal has been beaten the death, but this is the first I've seen with retained salary which is interesting because the leafs won't be contending this year or next. The Ducks have got to be willing to part with one of Theodore/Larsson/Montour, and the leafs have got to be calling about it. Ducks really don't have room to have 3 relatively blue-chip defensive prospects when they have a top-3 blueline in the NHL featuring many young players signed long-term.

The other interesting point is that the Ducks, for this year and likely this year alone, are becoming a momentary cap team.

I like the fit here, especially since you know enough to exclude Fowler/Lindholm from any discussions at this point. I'd drop the scraps and focus around:

JVR (x% retained) for Stoner+Theodore/Larsson/Montour.

If the x is 50, the ducks of course will be asked to add.

Honestly kinda underselling on jvr a bit, and over value on our dmen.


We would likely have to throw in at least a 2nd to make Toronto even consider(w/o retention) and possibly a 1st if they do a little retention.

Theo/Larsson/Montour don't get jvr alone, and stoner is a - value(but in reality stoner prob the 2nd best dmen on the leafs behind rielly), but I'm guesing with that kind of move they arnt really tyring to compete this year.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Major easy pass from Anaheim.

 

[Canada4Gold]

TBH I'd be more interested in Theodore than Manson. Manson is good but Theodore's ceiling is higher and he fits our timeline better.

I'd be open to JVR/Theodore as a base, but the Ducks can't exactly add cap so there'd have to be retention and Stoner involved which reduces the intrigue deal from the Leafs side unless there was a +

 

[gabeliscious]

TBH I'd be more interested in Theodore than Manson. Manson is good but Theodore's ceiling is higher and he fits our timeline better.

I'd be open to JVR/Theodore as a base, but the Ducks can't exactly add cap so there'd have to be retention and Stoner involved which reduces the intrigue deal from the Leafs side unless there was a +

can theodore play rd?

given that rielly and gardiner are pretty much locks for the left side in the top 4 and we have some prospects in the pipeline who are also ld im not sure toronto would trade jvr for a ld prospect. not knocking theodore just saying i dont think he fits a positional need.

montour as i understand it is a rd which would at least be helpful moving forward.