Post-Game Talk: Leafs Blow Another Lead, Lose to Avs

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One thing I learned during covid lockdowns was how incredibly low IQ, violent snd over zealous a lot of police and security guards are.

You don't tend to get the best and brightest. It is usually powertrippers, bullies, or people who were ostracized in high school hoping for some unearned respect.

Props to the ones that are legitimately there to serve the public, though.
 
This team is a complete joke. This section of the schedule is going to expose them (and Keefe) for the frauds they are - not that this is really surprising, of course. Also worth noting that Nylander hasn't scored a goal since signing that contract. lol
Apparently we played a team from another planet
The players actually played their executes game plan
 
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This team has no chill they do what they always do, make life tough on themselves and deserve to lose. If the coach had a system in place to preserve a 3 goal lead maybe they are a cup contender but they can't even protect a 3 goal lead. They are who I said they are. #firekeefe

By now this is blatantly obvious to upper brass.

How is not the coach NOW

Blue jackets loss was a shame. Coaching
Habs loss. Coaching. No way a rebuild team with 1 star beats a team with like 6 that year.

The bolts handshake gushing.
Keefe hurts the team more than he helps.

It’s been like 3 to 4 years… he needs to go.

Tre will be forgiven if he fires this guy before next season
 
Well, what do they have against St. Louis and New Jersey? And by the logic of the league taking advantage of Toronto, a high-revenue Canadian market, why isn't Montreal or Vancouver down there as well? Also, why are NYR and Boston so low?


Did you also see the calls missed for the Avs?
When things go the wrong way for someone, it seems the common reaction in society today is to make up a conspiracy theory or a boogeyman of some sort. I'm not saying that the reffing in this league is great, but the idea that the league has it in for the Leafs is silly when you consider how much the league bends over backwards to accommodate the Leafs in every other way (right down to the start time of their games, even if it disadvantages the opposing team).
 
Agreed, it forces him to simplify and not try to force plays to Matthews. That line looked really good in the short time they were together. Offensively at least.

1/3 of the league is as skilled as Marner.
So 2/3 of the time Marner relies on his edges and evasiveness combined with great puck handling and passing.

We see it. No denying it. When he shines he shines.

Problem is. He’s paid like a guy who can play like that, and also be 6’2 and 200 lbs and can bully people off pucks.

Marner has problems with playoff team skilled guys cause they’re 90% bigger than him by a lot.

He is overpaid. And he needs to be traded
Matthew’s and Nylander took our star money.
It can retire.
Trade marner

Rebuild retool from there
 
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Not last night
Majore giveaway
They all make mistakes. Makar had a few plays that could have backfired, but has a lot more skill and skating ability to over come them.
When they’re on their top players are just better players. No shame on that.
 
Ya what if he was caught in the girls bathroom peeping on your daughter? What he was going after your mom. What if he had a weapon and was a threat to everyone there.

Context is 1000000% needed.
As a security guard one of the very first things you're taught is that excessive force is the biggest mistake you can make. You're there to remove them from the premise - not bestow retribution upon them.
 
This was a statement loss. It shows how bad the team is. Don’t be surprised if they miss the playoffs.
 
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When things go the wrong way for someone, it seems the common reaction in society today is to make up a conspiracy theory or a boogeyman of some sort. I'm not saying that the reffing in this league is great, but the idea that the league has it in for the Leafs is silly when you consider how much the league bends over backwards to accommodate the Leafs in every other way (right down to the start time of their games, even if it disadvantages the opposing team).

I know what you’re saying about the blaming.

However the Leafs get the primetime because of viewership money.

It’s just the time slot.

That’s why it’s laughable cause even if the leafs suck and we are last place. Stadium I filled. Sponsors and reporters and media and celebs and the city is buzzing.

Refs can call 5 PPs on us back to back like Boston that year under Babcock on a 1 goal game. Playoffs game 5

Money goes on. Leafs don’t.
That’s Bettman hockey.

God forbid one American family decides his farming NHL team with 500 fans decides it’s not as exciting as NFL or NBA Golf NCAA crap.
 
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When things go the wrong way for someone, it seems the common reaction in society today is to make up a conspiracy theory or a boogeyman of some sort. I'm not saying that the reffing in this league is great, but the idea that the league has it in for the Leafs is silly when you consider how much the league bends over backwards to accommodate the Leafs in every other way (right down to the start time of their games, even if it disadvantages the opposing team).
Lol wtf do you mean "accommodate" the Leafs?

They're "accomodated" because they make money, lots of it. How else do you figure the shitty unprofitable teams stay afloat? The Leafs need to get prime time.

Stop trying to gaslight the fanbase by saying refs aren't f***ing the team over - last night it was right out the open.
 
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Lol wtf do you mean "accommodate" the Leafs?

They're "accomodated" because they make money, lots of it. How else do you figure the shitty unprofitable teams stay afloat? The Leafs need to get prime time.

Stop trying to gaslight the fanbase by saying refs aren't f***ing the team over - last night it was right out the open.
It's undeniable that 'game management ' by the refs is 'a thing' and that shouldn't be the case.
 
Lol wtf do you mean "accommodate" the Leafs?

They're "accomodated" because they make money, lots of it. How else do you figure the shitty unprofitable teams stay afloat? The Leafs need to get prime time.

Stop trying to gaslight the fanbase by saying refs aren't f***ing the team over - last night it was right out the open.
So you think the leafs were the better team then?
 
Lol wtf do you mean "accommodate" the Leafs?

They're "accomodated" because they make money, lots of it. How else do you figure the shitty unprofitable teams stay afloat? The Leafs need to get prime time.

Stop trying to gaslight the fanbase by saying refs aren't f***ing the team over - last night it was right out the open.
Do you realize the contradiction in what you are saying? The league wants the Leafs to get prime time because it makes the league more money. You are correct in that statement. Well, if having the Leafs on tv makes the league more money, then presumably the league would want the Leafs on tv as much as possible, right? I think it is hard to disagree with that statement. If that statement is accurate, then by extension the league would want the Leafs on tv for as many games as possible. If that statement is accurate, then one way to make that more of a reality would be to give the Leafs favourable treatment on the ice, especially in the playoffs, because the more the Leafs play in the playoffs, the better it is for the league.

All of that is to say that you can't on one hand say that the league loves the cash flow the Leafs produce, and then on the other hand say that the league is doing everything it can to reduce the amount of cash the Leafs produce by making it harder for them to win and play more games.
 
Do you realize the contradiction in what you are saying?
The Leafs are a capped market. Very little room for growth.

Shitty American teams are the ones that aren't capped. They starve for success because they need a fanbase. Success is about the only way you build a fanbase.

So if you're thinking about future growth and not current profitiblity (like all successful business owners do, you don't sound like one) you want shitty American teams to have success - not your markets that are already capped.

Funny thing is is that this is beside the point anyway - you can ho and hum about potential reasons of biased officiating against the Leafs, but I watch the games and I see it all in action. Being 100% honest - I'm really not that emotionally invested in this year's regular season success, and I post significantly less in the regular season (especially this one). I just call things how I see them. If the Leafs lost just cause they played shitty I'd call it out - never been afraid to. Last night was a very special example of the refs solely causing a massive momentum shift after we wen't up 3-0.
 
The Leafs trapped themselves by giving out those exuberant contracts towards the core 4. It has left them in an impossible situation to assemble a well balanced team due to lack of cap space, with no chance of a Stanley cup contender! And now on top of that they have given out long term and stupidly no movement contracts, without the possibility of recouping assets, It's basically a suicidal plan ready to implode, just a matter of time. No defense, goalie caliber players from the backend due to the unbalanced cap distribution. Good Luck.
Agreed! It's plain to see Shanahan is willing to die on this hill with his undying belief in this core group of forwards. It's so unfortunate that MLSE seems to agree. They are stuck with this core due to the full NMCs that Shanahan gladly gave out. It's so sad to see how all this will end up! But hopefully at least we'll have a new President and coach. Let's face it, the Leafs' brand makes a shitload of money even with all the lack of playoff success that they've had. Can't see ownership wanting to make too many, if any, big changes.
 
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Lol wtf do you mean "accommodate" the Leafs?

They're "accomodated" because they make money, lots of it. How else do you figure the shitty unprofitable teams stay afloat? The Leafs need to get prime time.

Stop trying to gaslight the fanbase by saying refs aren't f***ing the team over - last night it was right out the open.
Can anyone deny the refs were biased against the Leafs after hearing Keefe say the refs told him that Matthews fell by himself into the boards? What kind of bullshit is that. Just admit you didn't see it, that you're incompetent, or that you weren't going to call anything against Colorado. Tell us ahead of time that you're going to be biased and in the words of Darko we won't show up for the game.
 
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But this isn't anything close to the same thing we've done. We have some similar pieces, but we started as a fast, uptempo team. We gambled a fair bit and were quick in transition. That went to a more stable defensive team which played smart with the puck and had trouble with depth scoring. Our speed decreased, so did our gambles and risk.

Now we're a pretty slow team, don't have great possession or defensive players, but kept the top end talent. It's not really the same at all
It certainly is in terms of their cap structure and how they keep bending over backwards for this "can't get it done in the playoffs" core!
 
There are a lot of holes that need to be filled for this team to be a serious contender. It will take years, there's no quick fix to this.

Ideally you've got:

Knies Matthews Nylander
xxx xxx xxx
Xxx Domi Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf xxx

Rielly xxxx
Xxx Liljegren
McCabe xxx

Xxx
Woll

That's going to take years to fix. The previous regime stripped away do many assets during their time in charge. How are we supposed to find two top 4 dmen with only Cowan and Minten (ish) holding value and a lack of draft picks.

Last year in particular was set to be one last hurrah and now we will pay for all those years of spending at the deadline.
And don't forget to include Marner in this group, who will also be getting his raise on his next contract. We are stuck with this core. Even if we do manage to trade one of them, we will not be getting anything significant back, unless we also bring back an overpaid player who hasn't been performing when it's crunch time.
 
It's undeniable that 'game management ' by the refs is 'a thing' and that shouldn't be the case.
I don't even know if it's solely game management. Remember when Kerfoot got boarded right in the numbers, no call. Or when Marchand injured Liljegren a couple of months ago, no call. Or when Matthews got cross checked by Chiarot, no call. Or when Knies was slammed into the ice by Bennett, no call.

This isn't being missed by the refs. This isn't a missed high stick, or slash to the hands. The refs are seeing this, and just deciding to not call the penalty. Why? No one really knows. But it is a conscious decision by the refs.
 
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