Line Combos: Leafs' biggest need?

[egd27]

Thank you sir.

Agreed, it was right on the money.

 

[Dreakmur]

...you were expecting an extensive interview process for a mid-season hire? Just like Tampa, they promoted their deserving AHL champion coach who they were already familiar with.

I was expecting an interim title, just like Tampa.

 

[Bluelines]

I prefer to focus on the discussion, not your deflections. Your assumption about me, based on nothing, is both wrong and irrelevant.

There are many things that impact whether a series is won or lost, beyond coaching.

That is not the usual process for a mid-season coaching change. Just like Tampa, they promoted their deserving AHL champion coach who they were already very familiar with.

I'm not deflecting , I'm establishing your credibility, would you accept a plumbers word on an autopsy?

Yes there are many things that impact the outcome of a series won or lost. What is your opinion on why they lost the last two series?

So you feel that the Leafs don't deserve to go through a process to find the best coach, in your opinion familiarity should trump best qualified coach?

 

[Bluelines]

Agreed, it was right on the money.

Even us dummies can split the atom by mistake everyone in a while...

 

[Bluelines]

GM change - Dubas is far too set in his ways and theories
Let the new GM pick the coach

At that point the new GM can evaluate the core and lack of playoff success

Usually the GM gets to fire "his guy" , this is Keefe. If anything Keefe will be fired first, then Dubie will have the rest of this year to F this team even more. We got Dubie, good or bad for at least another season, probably next season too.

 

[egd27]

Even us dummies can split the atom by mistake everyone in a while...

His "strategy" reminds me of a peewee AA coach.....just keep throwing the top line out and hope for the best.

And the Game 5 against CBJ may have been the worst set of decisions I've ever seen at the NHL level.

 

[Dreakmur]

Usually the GM gets to fire "his guy" , this is Keefe. If anything Keefe will be fired first, then Dubie will have the rest of this year to F this team even more. We got Dubie, good or bad for at least another season, probably next season too.

I don’t see him firing Keefe. He’s very loyal, which I actually admire.

 

[Bluelines]

His "strategy" reminds me of a peewee AA coach.....just keep throwing the top line out and hope for the best.

BINGO, how hard is it to look like a good coach when you play Marner, Matthews for 23 minutes a night? Good coaches identify early the hot hand and then ride them for the game. This is true in most team sports. Genius coaching, put the best players in the world out there more. Heck I could get 95 points a year with Marner, Matthews, Tavares and Nylander.

 

[Bluelines]

I don’t see him firing Keefe. He’s very loyal, which I actually admire.

When I was writing the previous post, the thought did pop in my head, that he is told to fire Keefe, he says no and then is fired himself along with Keefe.

 

[Bluelines]

I was expecting an interim title, just like Tampa.

Just like Montreal, St Louis, etc... that would make sense, its the normal process for most teams but I'm being told familiarity apparently is more important than competency.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm not deflecting , I'm establishing your credibility

It is deflecting. You were wrong, and instead of acknowledging that, you decided to personally attack me, with incorrect assumptions you pulled out of nowhere, about something that has nothing to do with credibility.

in your opinion familiarity should trump best qualified coach?

That's not what I said at all. Keefe was very qualified. Extensive interviews are not conducted for mid-season coaching changes, for obvious reasons.

I was expecting an interim title, just like Tampa.

Where did you get the idea that Cooper was interim? I haven't found anywhere that said that, and:

The Tampa Bay Lightning hired Jon Cooper as their new coach on Monday.
Cooper had been coaching Syracuse of the AHL, Tampa Bay’s top minor league affiliate. He is replacing Guy Boucher, who was fired Sunday after 2 1/2 years with the team.
“He has had success at every level he has coached and is extremely familiar with our organization, as well as our players,” Tampa Bay general manager Steve Yzerman said in a statement. “He has a tremendous record at all levels and we feel he is ready to make the move to the NHL.”

certainly doesn't sound like just an "interim" promotion. He was 5-8-3 to end the season, and they kept him on, which would be weird for just an interim. Who did Tampa interview? Do you think an "interim" tag for Keefe would have changed anything after we went 27-15-5 to battle our way back into the playoffs, even through massive injuries and our starting goalie self-destructing?

 

[Fogelhund]

1. Better PP coaching
2. A physical defender 6/7/8 guy.
3. Another forward, perhaps Galchenyuk, or other depth player, for competition. Some physicality wouldn't hurt.
4. Reilly to sign a reasonable extension, or explore moving him.
5. Youth to take a step forward. From Marner learning how to play when it counts, to Dermott taking a step forward to become a top 4 defender level, to Sandin, Liljegren making the team, to Robertson excelling in all manners of the game at the AHL level. Dermott can play physical, and would be an interesting partner for Sandin on the bottom pair. I'd like to see Liljegren push Holl out of the lineup, and partner with Muzzin. We could use a wild card player show something, a guy like Anderson making a Hyman (lite) impact.

 

[Racer88]

So why does the team keep losing? Everything is great. We have no weaknesses. Dubas has never made a mistake. Somehow we keep losing.

I’m guessing Bad luck will be the answer

 

[Racer88]

When I was writing the previous post, the thought did pop in my head, that he is told to fire Keefe, he says no and then is fired himself along with Keefe.

We can only hope…..

 

[Bluelines]

It is deflecting. You were wrong, and instead of acknowledging that, you decided to personally attack me, with incorrect assumptions you pulled out of nowhere, about something that has nothing to do with credibility.

I was wrong about what? You challenge virtually every poster with your own version of your reality, so I'm trying to establish if you are a great hockey mind or just full of s#it.

That's not what I said at all. Keefe was very qualified. Extensive interviews are not conducted for mid-season coaching changes, for obvious reasons.

Yep it was you said they chose him because of familiarity.

...you were expecting an extensive interview process for a mid-season hire? Just like Tampa, they promoted their deserving AHL champion coach who they were already familiar with.

Vetting is a thing in executive roles...

 

[ShaneFalco]

Usually the GM gets to fire "his guy" , this is Keefe. If anything Keefe will be fired first, then Dubie will have the rest of this year to F this team even more. We got Dubie, good or bad for at least another season, probably next season too.

Yeah unless they don't make the playoffs he's going to be around for a bit. I went from full faith, to zero faith.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I’m guessing Bad luck will be the answer

Yup..... or different players, lost to the cup finalists, injuries, same old excuses

 

[ShaneFalco]

BINGO, how hard is it to look like a good coach when you play Marner, Matthews for 23 minutes a night? Good coaches identify early the hot hand and then ride them for the game. This is true in most team sports. Genius coaching, put the best players in the world out there more. Heck I could get 95 points a year with Marner, Matthews, Tavares and Nylander.

And the PP!? How does that stay intact? Marner had zero PP goals all year (which is a feat in itself), totally predictable and anemic for months, but let's keep rolling it out there.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I was wrong about what?

Pretty much everything you said about Keefe, the Leafs, and me.

You challenge virtually every poster

You're the one who quoted my post and replied to me - making false, off-topic statements about me personally.

Yep it was you said they chose him because of familiarity.

Once again, that is false. I said they chose him because he was qualified and their AHL champion coach, as you can even see in the quoted post. Familiarity is valuable though - it means they've already been vetted, and you're already well aware of how they coach, the qualities they bring, and their relationship with at least some of your players. Keefe was a justified hire, by merit, just like Cooper.

 

[Bluelines]

Pretty much everything you said about Keefe, the Leafs, and me.

How is that possible, odd's are even I would get something right once? So specifically give me a few things I was wrong on about Keefe and the Leafs? Not in your opinion I was wrong but quantifiably demonstrably wrong.

You're the one who quoted my post and replied to me - making false, off-topic statements about me personally.

Again trying to establish your knowledge base, before I trust a persons opinion I need to know that person is not talking out their ass. I'm simply trying to put a level of confidence behind what you challenge and what you manufacture as your truth. Someone who is confident in their knowledge does not mind being challenged, in fact they welcome it, why do you resist my attempts to gain you god status on this forum? I could help you to the god like status of @egd27 ,@Dreakmur , @Racer88 , @Pookie ... there is no telling where someone as creatively knowledgeable as you could go...

Once again, that is false. I said they chose him because he was qualified and their AHL champion coach, as you can even see in the quoted post. Familiarity is valuable though - it means they've already been vetted, and you're already well aware of how they coach, the qualities they bring, and their relationship with at least some of your players. Keefe was a justified hire, by merit, just like Cooper.

..but how do you know he is the best fit, perhaps he was a good OHL coach , which he shows us every game all his OHL coaching tricks, perhaps you send some feelers out and find out a better qualified coach is out there. I'm familiar with foot fungus , does not mean I need to get it.. so why make familiarity part of your post if it was not a critical requirement for the job?

 

[Bluelines]

And the PP!? How does that stay intact? Marner had zero PP goals all year (which is a feat in itself), totally predictable and anemic for months, but let's keep rolling it out there.

I was told its not because of bad coaching, so perhaps we can blame the ice? Perhaps it was a dead puck? Whoever is responsible for strategy, it's not the coach because I was told the coach is good, maybe blame our ... goalie? Crap PP... crap execution, crap results...but how to fix that? Not the coach.

How do you have that much time on the PP and not score a single goal? How is that possible?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I was told its not because of bad coaching, so perhaps we can blame the ice? Perhaps it was a dead puck? Whoever is responsible for strategy, it's not the coach because I was told the coach is good, maybe blame our ... goalie? Crap PP... crap execution, crap results...but how to fix that? Not the coach.

How do you have that much time on the PP and not score a single goal? How is that possible?

It's unheard of! And how does one stay on said PP without any changes. Either Keefe is not up to the task or MM has special privileges

 

[Bluelines]

It's unheard of! And how does one stay on said PP without any changes. Either Keefe is not up to the task or MM has special privileges

Compromising photos?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Again trying to establish your knowledge base

There are more ways to be knowledgeable about hockey than playing hockey. You also were not interested in actually learning whether I have played hockey - you were only interested in coming to your own false conclusions based on nothing, and spreading them as fact, because you disagreed with my comment.

..but how do you know he is the best fit

You never know if anybody is going to be the best fit, but if anything, there would have been more knowledge on fit for Keefe than anybody else, since he had gone through the hiring process, been with the team for years with successful results, and worked with some of the players on the NHL team in their development.

so why make familiarity part of your post if it was not a critical requirement for the job?

It was mentioned after the other reasons you ignored because it's still something valuable, especially for a mid-season hire. That doesn't mean he was hired because of familiarity. He was a justified hire, by merit, just like Cooper.

 

[Bluelines]

It was mentioned after the other reasons you ignored because it's still something valuable, especially for a mid-season hire. That doesn't mean he was hired because of familiarity. He was a justified hire, by merit, just like Cooper.

Which merit is that? Winning a Calder with a stacked team? I bet if you pick any of the top OHL, QMJHL or WHL coaches and made them the head coach of the Marlies that year, they would win the Calder too. Ok so instead of being gifted a Calder , what is the other merit you speak of?

Why do you only reply in general terms and when I ask for specific examples to support your opinion, you avoid answering? I'm feeling like you don't care about our mentor/mentee relationship anymore? You still care don't you Deeks?