GDT: Leafs at The Powerhouse | 2/10/19 - 7 PM - NBCSN

[Machinehead]

Their D corps isn't that bad.

It's more so that their forwards don't play any defense at all.

 

[effen]

Exactly what are you expecting from a free asset who plays 3rd-4th line minutes and who averages 15+ goals a year? All star?

What you wrote makes no sense, but I'd accept him not being actively bad at like 3/4 of what constitutes hockey. I'm actually pretty forgiving rating players and mistakes.

He's like if you took an AHL guy in a video game and edited his stats and amidst all the 3s and 4s out of 10 gave him a "9" in offensive awareness. He's forever in a good position to score and that's to his credit, but that he does like nothing else is to his detriment.

I think AT BEST he's a neutral player, and that's really frustrating.

 

[Rempe73]

The PP literally got better because he is on it.

Lmao

 

[Machinehead]

Our PP was somewhere in the 20's when Pionk was getting regular time. Now it's 12th.

I think that's more that Pionk was murdering it than it is Shattenkirk being impressive though.

 

[effen]

Our PP was somewhere in the 20's when Pionk was getting regular time. Now it's 12th.

I think that's more that Pionk was murdering it than it is Shattenkirk being impressive though.

Probably running a little hot in that sample, but also probably some effect of Shattenkirk being in certain positions/making certain passes that maybe aren't directly leading to goals but give an improved structure that lets everybody else be a bit better.

 

[Larrybiv]

What you wrote makes no sense, but I'd accept him not being actively bad at like 3/4 of what constitutes hockey. I'm actually pretty forgiving rating players and mistakes.

He's like if you took an AHL guy in a video game and edited his stats and amidst all the 3s and 4s out of 10 gave him a "9" in offensive awareness. He's forever in a good position to score and that's to his credit, but that he does like nothing else is to his detriment.

I think AT BEST he's a neutral player, and that's really frustrating.

Doesn't every team have multiple "neutral" type players? Its true what he said.....we got him for nothing! Replacing one of the draft picks that we easily gave away for many years.
He scores 15-20 whether its 2nd, 3rd or 4th lines. He is what he is. Every team needs players like that. Not like he makes 4 million. Neutral, like u said. Not expensive.

 

[Rempe73]

What you wrote makes no sense, but I'd accept him not being actively bad at like 3/4 of what constitutes hockey. I'm actually pretty forgiving rating players and mistakes.

He's like if you took an AHL guy in a video game and edited his stats and amidst all the 3s and 4s out of 10 gave him a "9" in offensive awareness. He's forever in a good position to score and that's to his credit, but that he does like nothing else is to his detriment.

I think AT BEST he's a neutral player, and that's really frustrating.

I don’t think that’s what offensive awareness is

 

[The S5]

Their D corps isn't that bad.

It's more so that their forwards don't play any defense at all.

That is true, but their Norris candidate looked like a cross between Tony D and Pionk on that first goal.

 

[Larrybiv]

The hockey gods are funny like that. Play like crap, lead 2-1.

Kind of like being a great guy and getting a crappy girlfriend?
Or, am I being subjective?

 

[effen]

Doesn't every team have multiple "neutral" type players? Its true what he said.....we got him for nothing! Replacing one of the draft picks that we easily gave away for many years.
He scores 15-20 whether its 2nd, 3rd or 4th lines. He is what he is. Every team needs players like that. Not like he makes 4 million. Neutral, like u said. Not expensive.

Because his one area is probably the hardest one to have be really good, and is the most impactful. If he was even average at like, strength and making and receiving passes you have a real player.

He's like the winger version of Pionk except without all the fun hip checks and random rushes. Effective despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Boyle is having a good year, great on faceoffs big physical player, penalty killer and net front on pp. I dont know if the value isnt similar.

Zuccarello is a top 6 player...

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That is true, but their Norris candidate looked like a cross between Tony D and Pionk on that first goal.

Lots of Norris candidates make shit plays

Like, all the time

Not every great defenseman is Nick Lidstrom, most of them are turnover machines

 

[Larrybiv]

Georgiev is pretty average, in my opinion. I was just wondering why Hank isn’t playing this one.

Nothing to wonder about. This is what NEEDS to happen. Unless we are trying to make the PO's.

 

[Machinehead]

Lots of Norris candidates make **** plays

Like, all the time

Not every great defenseman is Nick Lidstrom, most of them are turnover machines

Bobby Orr was probably a turnover machine.

 

[Larrybiv]

That would habe been NICE for Buchy to get a goal there. Nice effort,

 

[LORDE]

The forecheck looks good tonight

 

[effen]

I don’t think that’s what offensive awareness is

I think for him and his role it is. We have 2 and a half seasons of evidence that he's in a spot to get an inordinate amount of really good scoring chances despite not being particularly strong, fast, or "smart". Past the point of it being him running hot, it's something he's actively good at.

 

[Mandar]

Bobby Orr was probably a turnover machine.

No.

 

[Bob Richards]

Lots of Norris candidates make **** plays

Like, all the time

Not every great defenseman is Nick Lidstrom, most of them are turnover machines

more like dick lidstrom

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Shots 24-18 now

 

[Machinehead]

Shots 24-18 now

We've been fine outside of that PP where they had 92 shots.

 

[Richard Banger]

Bobby Orr was probably a turnover machine.

You'd have to lose the puck first to be a turnover machine. Orr did not.

 

[aufheben]

Lots of Norris candidates make **** plays

Like, all the time

Not every great defenseman is Samuel Girard, most of them are turnover machines

ftfy

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

That’s a dive if I’ve ever seen one

 

[Rempe73]

Wow. Lazy penalty. He’s making me sick tonight.