Leafs at the Halfway point of the Season
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20011-12: Ron Wilson coached team - 24 games - 30 points
20012-13: Randy Carlyle coached team -24 games - 30 points
Leaf fan named Eli; "All this tells me is that Ron Wilson was a terrible, terrible coach".
I just don't know...
I really just don't know what to say anymore.
I'm just astounded by the things I read around here.
Jimmy Firecracker
Lord of the Knies
Yeah, but back then our stats where in the gutter, and you were one of the people who even pointed out that we couldn't keep up our pace, and would eventually come falling back to earth.
I see a team that's top 10 in offense and defense, top 15 in PK and PP, and getting good goaltending while playing in a defensive system. Too me, that's ten times better than what we had with Wilson, outscoring our problems. Our PK and defense under Wilson were complete and utter ****. So yes, he was a terrible coach, and this will show when the Leafs keep up this pace and make the playoffs this year, and don't crash and burn before the end of the season.
7even
Offered and lost
http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/3/4/pdo-numbers-by-nhl-team-mar-4/score
The crash and burn is essentially inevitable. But halfway through a truncated season in the position we're in, and I'm of the opinion that the car won't crash until after we've passed the finish line, so to speak.
King Mapes
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5th in the conference with 30 points
Universally accepted "you're in the playoffs" total is 56
.500 record the rest of the way 12-10-2 gets us there
What helps? Assuming the .500 pace, The 9th place flyers (and thus all teams below them) will need to go at least 15-6-3 just to catch us but as of now we're dominating the important ROW tiebreaker
It's late, I'm tired, and I'm old enough to know it has all come crashing down before... but I'm just a little wee bit... excited .. even if I am slanting the math towards my favour (i think)
Know what's better than making it? Finishing 6th. Fingers crossed
The Saurus
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PDO stats are ********. See this quote from the website you linked:
How do you define expected output? Are the producers of "PDO stats" looking at last years goaltending disaster and deciding that that is the level James Reimer / Ben Scrivens will play at?
If James Reimer is simply playing to his potential, wouldn't that make this stat completely and utterly useless?
Yosho
Logic
We have the most giveaways in the league because we have a tendency to give away the puck when under extreme pressure.
It will take a year or two before Carlyle fully has his stamp on his team.
Thanks for the statistical breakdown of their first half. Those numbers look a lot better than last year even if the team was in a similar position last year at this point. The giveaways stat needs improvement but maybe that will improve with maturation under a new system.
A lot of people were worried about the offensive ability of this team when having to adapt to a more defensive minded system and the numbers show that it hasn't been an issue. When was the last time this team was the in top half of the league regarding speciality teams? It's not even a mind boggling stat as they sit 14th and 13th in the PP and PK but it's a huge improvement over what they've done the past several years.
I like the system in place. It's encouraging that this team has shown at times that they can play this system and play it effectively. It's also encouraging knowing that this team so far has found the mental fortitude to push through adversity that would have been their downfall in past seasons. Hopefully they continue with that and hopefully the return of some important pieces will only help the team get better.
A lot of people were worried about the offensive ability of this team when having to adapt to a more defensive minded system and the numbers show that it hasn't been an issue. When was the last time this team was the in top half of the league regarding speciality teams? It's not even a mind boggling stat as they sit 14th and 13th in the PP and PK but it's a huge improvement over what they've done the past several years.
I like the system in place. It's encouraging that this team has shown at times that they can play this system and play it effectively. It's also encouraging knowing that this team so far has found the mental fortitude to push through adversity that would have been their downfall in past seasons. Hopefully they continue with that and hopefully the return of some important pieces will only help the team get better.
Garbs
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This is why this year feels different. Past seasons we'd have awful team statistics, but still be in contention. It was only a matter of time until the other shoe dropped. This time our stats match our record; there's no reason to expect any tailspins.
This PDO stat is a joke. They arbitrarily decided that 1.00 was the dividing line between over achieving and under achieving. Yea the leafs have a high shooting percentage, and a high save percentage and are doing well. So because they are doing well they are over achieving? lol. There is no established baseline to compare the stat to in order to properly determine what that stat means.
Unfortunately you can not measure "luck"
The thing that concerns me about the leafs is a few things
1. Their getting outshot most times, and they give up the 3rd most shots in the league. I'm sorry but if you want to make the playoffs, you cannot be outshot pretty much every game, some games is fine but when it becomes a majority there's a problem.
2. Effort level has dipped off the past 5-10 games! It's either the leafs come out swinging and get a lead only to blow it in the 3rd OR we slack off for the 1st half of the game and turn on the jets in the 2nd half. In this season there is not enough games to afford to have an "off night" a lot of the time, my concern is the longer this goes on it will catch up to the leafs eventually and cost us games.
These are the two biggest things that need to be addressed but to be honest I'm not overly worried because Carlyle is a big stickler for details and work ethic, he will not allow this BS to continue much longer.
1. Their getting outshot most times, and they give up the 3rd most shots in the league. I'm sorry but if you want to make the playoffs, you cannot be outshot pretty much every game, some games is fine but when it becomes a majority there's a problem.
2. Effort level has dipped off the past 5-10 games! It's either the leafs come out swinging and get a lead only to blow it in the 3rd OR we slack off for the 1st half of the game and turn on the jets in the 2nd half. In this season there is not enough games to afford to have an "off night" a lot of the time, my concern is the longer this goes on it will catch up to the leafs eventually and cost us games.
These are the two biggest things that need to be addressed but to be honest I'm not overly worried because Carlyle is a big stickler for details and work ethic, he will not allow this BS to continue much longer.
The second is a bigger concern in my opinion. Even with the tighter schedule they have to find a way to overcome that physical and mental fatigue. I'm not THAT concerned about the shots against. Last season the Leafs were the ones who were outshooting their opponents and still losing games. Shots don't mean quality chances and shot totals may by be influenced by the amount of power plays and/or if the opposition is trailing in the game. If the opposition is trailing, they're likely to throw anything and everything on net.
They are a work in progress and hopefully their puck possession will improve and help alleviate that matter but in the meantime, it's important for a team that's still learning to focus on how to defend first to do just that and it starts with first learning how to minimize the quality of shots they allow through to their goaltender. For the most part, the Leafs have done a much better job at that. Their shots against could also be balanced out a bit more if they get a guy on the backend who can make a great first pass out to clear the zone. Most of their shots seem to come against them when they're hemmed in their zone after failing to clear even when they have opportunities to do so.
SpeakerForTheDead
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All I see is a bunch of playoff teams around us on that list. So are you saying 10 teams that are in the playoffs now are gonna crash and burn?
Outshot I can live with, I just don't want to be out 'scoring chanced' and unfortunately there isn't a stat for that. Also I haven't been able to watch many games recently due to work/school so can't comment on that myself.
Outworked and the general lack of effort is what worries me. If it doesn't improve soon we will go on a lengthy losing streak. What I am happy with though is even with the lack of effort, we are still finding ways to win games. That I think just shows how dangerous the leafs can be when they get in a groove.
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CerebralDevil
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Consider the injuries the Leafs have had I would be very happy you guys. The team is winning without Lupal and Frattin and lost Reimer for a few weeks. I think that once Lupal and Frattin come back puck possesion and offense changes dramaticallly. This also includes not having Gardiner in the line-up yet, he will get to play as soon as liles and Komi get traded.
Most
http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.ht...All&sort=homeGiveaways&viewName=realTimeStats
When you sort the category it puts the team with the highest number at the top so we are '1st' but really 30th.
261 seems pretty high. Hard to believe that would be the least amount of giveaways in the league.
I think that stat is meant to be interpreted as the Leafs have the most giveaways, not the league. It is confusing though because when they rank GA, they typically rank with the best GA getting first and worst being ranked 30th but this stat it would seem is ranked opposite.
SpeakerForTheDead
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Columbus only has 33? Yeah...not the most reliable of stats. Though just from watching you can tell we give it away a lot.
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