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LD Ty Smith - Spokane Chiefs, WHL (2018, 17th, NJD)

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Not ready for the NHL. Even though he dominated the WHL last year I think it's better for him than sitting in the pressbox regularly
 
When the general consensus on HF Devs is he looked out of place and overmatched during camp and preseason, you know he looked REALLY bad.

I've never seen that sub criticize a top prospect like this before.

That said, I don't know if he necessarily gets sent back to the Chiefs. It's a tough situation because he really doesn't have much else to prove in the WHL, but doesn't look at all ready for the NHL. To be fair to him though, part of his problems could be the Devils' "full Pejorative Slur" defensive "system" that relies on dmen chasing players up the boards and shifting out of the middle far too often for NHL hockey. Hopefully people will realize how horrendous the system is now that the roster is actually decent (so can't just harp on the excuse of lack of talent).

edit: I can't believe the "r" word from Tropic Thunder is censored...
 
Hall4Hart said:
When the general consensus on HF Devs is he looked out of place and overmatched during camp and preseason, you know he looked REALLY bad.

I've never seen that sub criticize a top prospect like this before.

That said, I don't know if he necessarily gets sent back to the Chiefs. It's a tough situation because he really doesn't have much else to prove in the WHL, but doesn't look at all ready for the NHL. To be fair to him though, part of his problems could be the Devils' "full ******" defensive "system" that relies on dmen chasing players up the boards and shifting out of the middle far too often for NHL hockey. Hopefully people will realize how horrendous the system is now that the roster is actually decent (so can't just harp on the excuse of lack of talent).

edit: I can't believe the "r" word from Tropic Thunder is censored...
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Do they have room to carry him as an extra D? Pre-season is generally more chaotic than regular-season hockey is anyway, maybe he'll look better then.
 
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Didn't he win CHL player of the year? Or dman of the year? This is where the CHL/NHL agreement goes full stupid. A guy who absolutely needs to be in the AHL can't be there.
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Yes, CHL Dman of the Year. They should really start thinking about making exceptions for players like this. He definitely belongs in the AHL at this point in his development. Give him lots of ice time down there in all situations and let him develop.
 
Yeah he managed to regress. looked significantly better at camp last year. hes been a train wreck out there every time I've seen him play. Must've thought he was a lock to make it..
 
It’s odd how great he looked last preseason when he wasn’t supposed to make the team but almost did. This year he was supposed to make the team and he’s currently on the outside looking in.
 
Jacob said:
Do they have room to carry him as an extra D? Pre-season is generally more chaotic than regular-season hockey is anyway, maybe he'll look better then.
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We have 5 dmen pencilled in (Subban, Vatanen, Severson, Greene, Butcher) and are carrying two extra (Mueller and Carrick). So Smith would make 8.

I think the best play is to dump Mueller, keep Smith, and rotate him and Carrick into #6. Smith will not learn anything in juniors. He needs to be getting coached by NHL coaches and practice against NHL players.

I don't discount that this is just nerves, last year he came in with nothing to lose and no expectations, and now a lot of people are expecting him to come in and be a top-4 on an NHL D by Christmas. At least give him the 9 games and see if he can settle in.
 
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AfroThunder396 said:
We have 5 dmen pencilled in (Subban, Vatanen, Severson, Greene, Butcher) and are carrying two extra (Mueller and Carrick). So Smith would make 8.

I think the best play is to dump Mueller, keep Smith, and rotate him and Carrick into #6. Smith will not learn anything in juniors. He needs to be getting coached by NHL coaches and practice against NHL players.

I don't discount that this is just nerves, last year he came in with nothing to lose and no expectations, and now a lot of people are expecting him to come in and be a top-4 on an NHL D by Christmas. At least give him the 9 games and see if he can settle in.
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Not that these players are in the same league but I hope they don't treat him like Matteau where he was in and out for half a season before being sent down. He may not have anything to "learn" in the WHL but he will still develop his skills more playing a lot more minutes and a lot more frequently in the WHL than if he's going to be sat regularly in the NHL
 
I didn't see any Devils pre-season, but Ty Smith has a better CF% & xG% than Severson, Greene, Butcher, Mueller & Carrick, yet, based on these 3-4 games, can't make the team or, if he made it, will only be the 8th d-man. Hmmmm
 
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I didn't see any Devils pre-season, but Ty Smith has a better CF% & xG% than Severson, Greene, Butcher, Mueller & Carrick, yet, based on these 3-4 games, can't make the team or, if he made it, will only be the 8th d-man. Hmmmm
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Julius Honka has better advanced stats than most of the Stars dmen too. Should give you an idea of how those really don't matter in a situation like this. If fans of the team that have watched him every night say he's been bad, then he's been bad.
 
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Jacob said:
Do they have room to carry him as an extra D? Pre-season is generally more chaotic than regular-season hockey is anyway, maybe he'll look better then.
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He could easily be put on the 3rd pairing. The two guys that would be put in that spot are not better than him even with his mistakes.
 
BJD said:
That's why watching the games matters
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Yea and watching the game he’s been better than some of the guys mentioned in that post you quoted. Greene should honestly probably have retired, he looks terrible. Carrick and Mueller have done nothing to show they should be on the team over a rookie that’s struggling in the preseason.
 
Auto Pilot said:
Yea and watching the game he’s been better than some of the guys mentioned in that post you quoted. Greene should honestly probably have retired, he looks terrible. Carrick and Mueller have done nothing to show they should be on the team over a rookie that’s struggling in the preseason.
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The issue is the sample size vs NHL quality is much bigger with the others than Smith. Smith has only had last preseason and this preseason. We've seen full seasons of the others so we can better approximate what we will get. Smith hasn't shown he is NHL ready from this preseason
 
Semaj said:
I didn't see any Devils pre-season, but Ty Smith has a better CF% & xG% than Severson, Greene, Butcher, Mueller & Carrick, yet, based on these 3-4 games, can't make the team or, if he made it, will only be the 8th d-man. Hmmmm
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those advanced stats are completely irrelevant and he's competing with a bunch of defenders on one way contracts. he's got no advantage or leverage whatsoever.
 
I mean, it could just be he isn't used to speed/tempo of the NHL, and it will take him 15 games to get there.
 
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