Value of: LD Ryan Lindgren

[TGWL]

He’s injured too often to know for sure. Maybe I have an inflated view of Lindgren, he always plays us extremely tough

In fairness, I think most players or organizations would agree that he plays tough. The issue is that he can't get the puck out of his zone, offense dies on his stick and loses the battles because he doesn't have the size to back the toughness. His body is probably glued together at this point from the physicality he put himself through but such is hockey...

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No, you don’t. Insane take. 1 year at 4.5 for a productive player?

He’s not a productive player.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He’s not a productive player.

I watch him play every night. Yes, he is.

I swear this website sometimes. Dude has like half a year worth of games with mediocre advanced stats, and this website pronounces a proven good veteran player finished.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I watch him play every night. Yes, he is.

I swear this website sometimes. Dude has like half a year worth of games with mediocre advanced stats, and this website pronounces a proven good veteran player finished.

If you think he’s productive for 4.5 mil then your bar is really low.

 

[Flan the incredible]

As a Ranger fan there is not a player I want off this team more than Lindgren. If they get an upgrade on him I see another deep playoff run.

That being said NHL GMs probably value him higher than I do so I can see him having some value. I definitely would not be attaching picks to get rid of him but I would easily take a late 2nd or 3rd round pick.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If you think he’s productive for 4.5 mil then your bar is really low.

What’s not productive about him?

Please cite specifics. No small sample advanced stats either.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What’s not productive about him?

Please cite specifics. No small sample advanced stats either.

Is anything that you don't like going to be thrown into the whole small sample advanced stats?

 

[Kupo]

If the Rangers weren’t contenders, Lindgren would get a nice return. There are too many dumbass GM’s that overvalue grit and toughness, which Ryan has in spades. He’ll either walk this summer, or Drury will go full potato and extend him.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Is anything that you don't like going to be thrown into the whole small sample advanced stats?

Evasive non-answer

 

[Kupo]

These sorts of players are those that you have to pay to get off your cap sheet. Since it's still a large portion of his 4.5 mil cap hit, you'd probably need to pay a 3rd round pick for a team to take him on for you. I'd do that if I were the Sharks but as bern is the resident Rangers trade guy, he ain't having none of that so you guys will be stuck with him.

There are shittier defenseman who have been traded at the deadline for actual assets in recent history. Lindgren isn’t a negative asset. We shit on him a lot, but every fanbase here does the same. The problem with Lindgren is he’s not a top pairing dmen and various coaches have repeatedly attempted to treat him as one.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Evasive non-answer

This is doing the thing you're accusing me of but we can point to the very obvious point production from him as a way to say he's not productive. We can look at him being underwater last season xG% in terms of productivity. The year before that you can attribute whatever success you want to playing with Adam Fox as his numbers without him that year were very bad by comparison. I mean, in what capacity has he been productive?

There are shittier defenseman who have been traded at the deadline for actual assets in recent history. Lindgren isn’t a negative asset. We shit on him a lot, but every fanbase here does the same. The problem with Lindgren is he’s not a top pairing dmen and various coaches have repeatedly attempted to treat him as one.

Yes and when competitive teams put guys like this on the trade block, they're not valued the same as a shitty defenseman being rented off of a non-playoff team.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is doing the thing you're accusing me of but we can point to the very obvious point production from him as a way to say he's not productive. We can look at him being underwater last season xG% in terms of productivity. The year before that you can attribute whatever success you want to playing with Adam Fox as his numbers without him that year were very bad by comparison. I mean, in what capacity has he been productive?

I love how people who don’t watch a player can whip out a stat sheet and think they know it all.

These stats are more random than people think, and I’m not anti analytics, but there are things that go on that you can’t account for without a stat sheet.

For instance, Lindgren has been playing with a full face shield and missed the whole preseason (minus one period). That’s very difficult. He deserves some time to adjust to all of that. Any player would.

And he doesn’t even play with Adam Fox right now, so a completely irrelevant argument. Judge him for what he is now, not make some straw man argument that would apply to like every player that played with Fox. Yes, obviously he does better playing with one of the best defensemen in the league. Everyone would. For the record, Fox also plays better with him.

All things you couldn’t find on a stat sheet. As I said, either answer in a way that showcases you have a clue or there’s nothing to discuss here. You can’t whip out a stat sheet and believe you know it all. Funny how we’re also supposed to ignore that most of his career he’s had great analytics. Goalposts are moving to say that they matter now in some small samples but not when he had good analytics over large samples.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I love how people who don’t watch a player can whip out a stat sheet and think they know it all.

These stats are more random than people think, and I’m not anti analytics, but there are things that go on that you can’t account for without a stat sheet.

For instance, Lindgren has been playing with a full face shield and missed the whole preseason (minus one period). That’s very difficult. He deserves some time to adjust to all of that. Any player would.

And he doesn’t even play with Adam Fox right now, so a completely irrelevant argument. Judge him for what he is now, not make some straw man argument that would apply to like every player that played with Fox. Yes, obviously he does better playing with one of the best defensemen in the league. Everyone would. For the record, Fox also plays better with him.

All things you couldn’t find on a stat sheet. As I said, either answer in a way that showcases you have a clue or there’s nothing to discuss here. You can’t whip out a stat sheet and believe you know it all. Funny how we’re also supposed to ignore that most of his career he’s had great analytics. Goalposts are moving to say that they matter now in some small samples but not when he had good analytics over large samples.

You can say the second line until you're blue in the face but the idea that everything or mostly everything is random over the amount of games we're talking about is a lazy response.

You also didn't answer the question yet again. You've yet to support your assertion that he is productive and you made another unsupported assertion about him having great analytics for most of his career when that isn't true.

So I'll ask again...in what capacity has Ryan Lindgren been productive? You going to answer it this time or are you going to continue to dodge?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Assuming the Rangers dont just keep him (as they should for their own playoff aspirations), what would be the ask from Utah?

For their playoff aspirations getting him as far as possible from the team would be the best course.

 

[TGWL]

I love how people who don’t watch a player can whip out a stat sheet and think they know it all.

These stats are more random than people think, and I’m not anti analytics, but there are things that go on that you can’t account for without a stat sheet.

For instance, Lindgren has been playing with a full face shield and missed the whole preseason (minus one period). That’s very difficult. He deserves some time to adjust to all of that. Any player would.

And he doesn’t even play with Adam Fox right now, so a completely irrelevant argument. Judge him for what he is now, not make some straw man argument that would apply to like every player that played with Fox. Yes, obviously he does better playing with one of the best defensemen in the league. Everyone would. For the record, Fox also plays better with him.

All things you couldn’t find on a stat sheet. As I said, either answer in a way that showcases you have a clue or there’s nothing to discuss here. You can’t whip out a stat sheet and believe you know it all. Funny how we’re also supposed to ignore that most of his career he’s had great analytics. Goalposts are moving to say that they matter now in some small samples but not when he had good analytics over large samples.

You called him the productive player. Instead of pointing out why you think he's a productive player, you ran with "tell me how's he's not productive." On top of that, you ran with "anybody can point to silly stats and you don't watch the player". You offered absolutely nothing to that conversation with the other poster. He hasnt had great analytics in over a year now. It's not sample size. Also, if those random stats shouldn't be used against him, why should those random stats be used for him? You haven't posted anything supporting him being productive. chill out.

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

He is very very good at penalty killing. People moan about him and Trouba and their usage but our PK’ing over the last few seasons has been excellent and they’re a big part of that.
He plays with a lot of heart. He knows what to do in his own zone but can’t always do it.

He is bad at passing, bad at many technical aspects of the game at this level and weakening physically all the time.

I’d keep him till the end of the season, see just how badly he has done and probably let him walk then.

Our fans (as I’ve repeated on this site) didn’t see the value in keeping Mikkola because he wasn’t good at passing or his fancy stats sucked, but that was the guy killing off pressure situations in the playoffs for Florida being physical, being a warrior and knowing what to do in his own zone. They are different players, but that style of player will be undervalued on hf at least as much as the people here argue it is overvalued by gms and coaches.