LD Rasmus Sandin - Rogle BK, SHL (2018, 29th, TOR)

[newfy]

What's his offensive potential look like?

Sandin doesnt strike me as a big producer type. When I watch him he doesnt really have a single skill that stands out, hes just really smart so hes solid all around. When I think high offensive potential usually these guys have a ridiculous slap shot, elite skating or elite vision. I dont see that with Sandin at all but I see a guy smart enough to play a long time in the NHL.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Sandin doesnt strike me as a big producer type. When I watch him he doesnt really have a single skill that stands out, hes just really smart so hes solid all around. When I think high offensive potential usually these guys have a ridiculous slap shot, elite skating or elite vision. I dont see that with Sandin at all but I see a guy smart enough to play a long time in the NHL.

He has excellent vision in my opinion but I agree he doesn't have a standout physical ability. He'll probably quietly get a good number of points by smartly moving the puck and getting shots through but won't be a dynamic point producer

 

[newfy]

He has excellent vision in my opinion but I agree he doesn't have a standout physical ability. He'll probably quietly get a good number of points by smartly moving the puck and getting shots through but won't be a dynamic point producer

He strikes me much more as a really good first pass guy but hes not an elite passer in the offensive zone where a lot of production would come from. He'll get his points for sure because he can move the puck but hes not going to dissect a team from the back end. Couple that with his non-elite shot and skating and I dont see massive point seasons but still respectable numbers because he'll see solid minutes. He kinda reminds me of a poor mans Suter

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

He strikes me much more as a really good first pass guy but hes not an elite passer in the offensive zone where a lot of production would come from. He'll get his points for sure because he can move the puck but hes not going to dissect a team from the back end. Couple that with his non-elite shot and skating and I dont see massive point seasons but still respectable numbers because he'll see solid minutes. He kinda reminds me of a poor mans Suter

Hes an excellent passer, and definitely capitalizes on opportunities when they arise. He will likely be quarterbacking the 2nd unit next season.

 

[Halla]

He strikes me much more as a really good first pass guy but hes not an elite passer in the offensive zone where a lot of production would come from. He'll get his points for sure because he can move the puck but hes not going to dissect a team from the back end. Couple that with his non-elite shot and skating and I dont see massive point seasons but still respectable numbers because he'll see solid minutes. He kinda reminds me of a poor mans Suter

I thought he was pretty good with the marlies last year passing in the O-Zone. 32 assists in 57 games as a D+1 18 year old leads people to believe he will put up better than "respectable"

I wouldnt be surprised If he is somewhere in the 40-50pt as soon as next season

 

[Halla]

Sandin doesnt strike me as a big producer type. When I watch him he doesnt really have a single skill that stands out, hes just really smart so hes solid all around. When I think high offensive potential usually these guys have a ridiculous slap shot, elite skating or elite vision. I dont see that with Sandin at all but I see a guy smart enough to play a long time in the NHL.

sounds like a young 3rd rd pick named nik lidstrom haha . not elite in anything but just very good at just about everything

 

[newfy]

sounds like a young 3rd rd pick named nik lidstrom haha . not elite in anything but just very good at just about everything

Lidstrom was absolutely elite at several things though. Sandin, solid passer but I would be willing to bet a lot that hes not going to be a 50 pt player next season lol

 

[Mitchy]

Got his first point tonight.

 

[My3Sons]

Got his first point tonight.

yeah but it’s against OTT. Does that really count?

 

[Critical13]

yeah but it’s against OTT. Does that really count?

Yes.

Nice job Rasmus! Looks great out there, will be in the top 4 by season's end.

 

[Mitchy]

Sandin looking really solid. Very nice first game.

 

[robertmac43]

Oozing confidence tonight. Sandin showed great gap control and was spot on in his angles, made it tough to beat him.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

 

[Legion34]

Good. This is 100 percent the right move.

Cant burn this year.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Probably the right call.

 

[Curufinwe]

Now the Leafs can trade for Hagg and reunite him with Hak. Flyers will retain to get it done.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Now the Leafs can trade for Hagg and reunite him with Hak. Flyers will retain to get it done.

Retain 100% and it might be possible!

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I'm glad Dubas is around to rescue this kid. With Babcock only playing him 12 minutes a night, this is 100% the only option.

Not sure why he was kept up in the first place if this was Babs plan.

Go dominate the AHL once again and come up to end the year/full time next year.

 

[tucker3434]

I'm glad Dubas is around to rescue this kid. With Babcock only playing him 12 minutes a night, this is 100% the only option.

Not sure why he was kept up in the first place if this was Babs plan.

Go dominate the AHL once again and come up to end the year/full time next year.

I know Babcock is your punching bag right now, but this treatment seems pretty standard. It’s not even mid October yet.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I know Babcock is your punching bag right now, but this treatment seems pretty standard. It’s not even mid October yet.

Quote other examples of me bashing Babcock, thanks.

 

[tucker3434]

Quote other examples of me bashing Babcock, thanks.

I meant it more collectively. Leafs fans have been ripping him apart recently and at least some of it is undeserved (like this time). I haven’t been following you specifically.

 

[Willy Stylez]

I meant it more collectively. Leafs fans have been ripping him apart recently and at least some of it is undeserved (like this time). I haven’t been following you specifically.

Some part are undeserved I agree. But Babs is holding this team back as of now, sadly..

Don't have issues with Sandin sent down, more icetime in the AHL, he's now gotten a taste of NHL and will be better prepaired once he gets the call up again (And I dont see him ever get sent down again after that call up)

 

[biotk]

I meant it more collectively. Leafs fans have been ripping him apart recently and at least some of it is undeserved (like this time). I haven’t been following you specifically.

Whether Babcock deserves to be ripped for this depends on what actually happened here (something we will likely never know).



Babcock being the coach of the team and the person who best understands who is going to play under what circumstances should have known before the season started that there was no room for Sandin on the PP or PK, and that he would be getting a max of 14 minutes a night (on a good night). That situation should have also been known by every fan who understands Babcock by the end of the first period of the season opener. That kind of deployment was and is terrible for development - something Babcock appears to also know.

So why did Sandin start the season on the Leafs? Why did the GM not send him down at the start, or after game 1 (or after realizing the mistake in not sending him down after game 1, after game 2 etc). Was this simply incompetence from the GM? And if the GM was being incompetent in not sending him down and Babcock knew this was bad for his development why did Babcock not force the GMs hand by scratching Sandin?

Or was this a situation - as we have seen from Babcock over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again when it comes to young players - that Babcock repeatedly told the GM that he was going to give Sandin the kind of deployment that would be ok for his continued development, but once the puck was dropped each game Babcock reverted to his well known style of absolutely not trusting young players.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Whether Babcock deserves to be ripped for this depends on what actually happened here (something we will likely never know).



Babcock being the coach of the team and the person who best understands who is going to play under what circumstances should have known before the season started that there was no room for Sandin on the PP or PK, and that he would be getting a max of 14 minutes a night (on a good night). That situation should have also been known by every fan who understands Babcock by the end of the first period of the season opener. That kind of deployment was and is terrible for development - something Babcock appears to also know.

So why did Sandin start the season on the Leafs? Why did the GM not send him down at the start, or after game 1 (or after realizing the mistake in not sending him down after game 1, after game 2 etc). Was this simply incompetence from the GM? And if the GM was being incompetent in not sending him down and Babcock knew this was bad for his development why did Babcock not force the GMs hand by scratching Sandin?

Or was this a situation - as we have seen from Babcock over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again when it comes to young players - that Babcock repeatedly told the GM that he was going to give Sandin the kind of deployment that would be ok for his continued development, but once the puck was dropped each game Babcock reverted to his well known style of absolutely not trusting young players.

Jesus. It really isn't that deep. It isn't incompetence from anyone. There was zero risk to giving Sandin a look to start the season see where he is and make a decision from there. It is an entirely normal thing for a team to do.

 

[biotk]

Jesus. It really isn't that deep. It isn't incompetence from anyone. There was zero risk to giving Sandin a look to start the season see where he is and make a decision from there. It is an entirely normal thing for a team to do.

If there was absolutely no risk in that and it is an entirely normal thing for a team to do, why did the organization say over the last year that it was the kind of thing they were not going to do?