LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[93LEAFS]

He was ppg basically with no marner tkachuk

Except no Marner and Tkachuk meant more PP time. Many actually expected it to rise with more opportunity. It's not like it affected who dramatically raised his ppg this year.

Juolevi has played well in the playoffs, but I wouldn't say he's dramatically surpassed Sergachev like some have claimed or that his season was a success offensively in regards to what was expected. London still had a hell of a lot of firepower.

Both Juolevi and Sergachev have had ups and downs this year. I don't think one has clearly surpassed the other.

 

[Daximus]

You can't put stock into blowing a 3-1 series lead.

ummm ok

You can for sure but that is a team effort. Sergachev is not directly responsible for their wins or loses. You have to look at his individual efforts of which it's hard to find fault in the regular season.

 

[D0ctorCool]

how was he a "disappointment all of the regular season"?

please kindly explain.

Juolevi wasn't a disappointment per se. But it was disappointing that there wasn't much progression to his offensive game in his D+1 season. And we knew Finland would take a big leap backwards in the WJR's with the loss of Pulju, Aho, and Laine. But it just sucked to watch him captain one of the worst Finland performances in recent history after utter dominance the year before. It's not fair to pin that on him, it's just that it was disappointing.

It's fine. I'm not worried about him. But I'd be lying if I said he had the kind of season I was hoping he would have. So in that regard, I could see how his season could be labelled a disappointment.

 

[Canucks LB]

Juolevi wasn't a disappointment per se. But it was disappointing that there wasn't much progression to his offensive game in his D+1 season. And we knew Finland would take a big leap backwards in the WJR's with the loss of Pulju, Aho, and Laine. But it just sucked to watch him captain one of the worst Finland performances in recent history after utter dominance the year before. It's not fair to pin that on him, it's just that it was disappointing.

It's fine. I'm not worried about him. But I'd be lying if I said he had the kind of season I was hoping he would have. So in that regard, I could see how his season could be labelled a disappointment.

He was the best player for finland in this years finnish wjc team.

The team overall was a disaster

 

[lawrence]

Juolevi wasn't a disappointment per se. But it was disappointing that there wasn't much progression to his offensive game in his D+1 season. And we knew Finland would take a big leap backwards in the WJR's with the loss of Pulju, Aho, and Laine. But it just sucked to watch him captain one of the worst Finland performances in recent history after utter dominance the year before. It's not fair to pin that on him, it's just that it was disappointing.

It's fine. I'm not worried about him. But I'd be lying if I said he had the kind of season I was hoping he would have. So in that regard, I could see how his season could be labelled a disappointment.

He retained the same amount if points without marner davorak , and tkachuk. To me that's good enough. Since the London knights were destined to be not even close to last years version. could be better. Disappointment is jake virtannen. All it matters to me, was he's season was alright and he played his best hockey when his team needed him the most.

 

[CanaFan]

He retained the same amount if points without marner davorak , and tkachuk. To me that's good enough. Since the London knights were destined to be not even close to last years version. could be better. Disappointment is jake virtannen. All it matters to me, was he's season was alright and he played his best hockey when his team needed him the most.

Eh, London scored 30 fewer goals than last year (289 vs 319). Juolevi wasn't going to get points on all of those 30 goals so lets say he gets points on 20% of them (and I think that's generous). That's an extra 6 points to give him 48 points in 58 games on the highest scoring team in the OHL (tied with Erie).

Is that really 'progress'?

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Man, people put so much stock in junior production in this thread.

 

[Pip]

He was ppg basically with no marner tkachuk

.72 points/game is basically ppg?

Man, people put so much stock in junior production in this thread.

(it's because it's actually really important)

He was the best player for finland in this years finnish wjc team.

The team overall was a disaster

He was on a weak team but did not look like a top draft pick. Thankfully I don't put much stock into the World Juniors.

 

[Starry Knight]

He was ppg basically with no marner tkachuk

how was he a "disappointment all of the regular season"?

please kindly explain.

He looked disengaged all year, was poor defensively frequently, and didn't look as dynamic offensively.

Don't shoot the messenger. I watched most Knights games this year and I saw no improvement from last year.

 

[Canucks LB]

He looked disengaged all year, was poor defensively frequently, and didn't look as dynamic offensively.

Don't shoot the messenger. I watched most Knights games this year and I saw no improvement from last year.

Did you miss the playoffs?

 

[Starry Knight]

Did you miss the playoffs?

No but, that was in contrast to the much larger sample size of mediocrity of the regular season. And let's not overhype the playoffs. The Knights were getting bulldozed on a regular basis and Parsons should shoulder most of the credit for the success the Knights accrued against Windsor and Erie.

 

[kmad]

No but, that was in contrast to the much larger sample size of mediocrity of the regular season. And let's not overhype the playoffs. The Knights were getting bulldozed on a regular basis and Parsons should shoulder most of the credit for the success the Knights accrued against Windsor and Erie.

Only on HFBoards do you see people arguing that the regular season is more important than the playoffs.

 

[Jyrki Lumme]

Did you miss the playoffs?

My Cole Cassels alarm is sounding.

 

[Constable]

Man, people put so much stock in junior production in this thread.

Because Junior production is a great indicator of future success in the NHL and has been proven as such?

 

[Starry Knight]

Only on HFBoards do you see people arguing that the regular season is more important than the playoffs.

I mean, it's a 60 game sample size vs. 14.

If you say that he wasn't trying because it was only the regular season, then that's a problem too. The Knights' slide in the back half of the year is why they ended up as the 4th seed and having to face Erie in round 2.

 

[maaran]

I mean, it's a 60 game sample size vs. 14.

If you say that he wasn't trying because it was only the regular season, then that's a problem too. The Knights' slide in the back half of the year is why they ended up as the 4th seed and having to face Erie in round 2.

Just curious, do you think Juolevi will still be a top pairing defensmen (even if it is like a vlasic-type that doesn't get too many points)? Since you watch their games.

 

[Starry Knight]

Just curious, do you think Juolevi will still be a top pairing defensmen (even if it is like a vlasic-type that doesn't get too many points)? Since you watch their games.

I think he still has potential, even offensively, to be a good first pairing defenseman. He just needs to be much more consistent in his performance.

 

[Kingpin794]

Because Junior production is a great indicator of future success in the NHL and has been proven as such?

Robbie Schremp would be pleased to know this.

 

[CanaFan]

Robbie Schremp would be pleased to know this.

You do understand that being an indicator doesn't have to mean 100% accurate all the time, right?

 

[Caspian]

Robbie Schremp would be pleased to know this.

grasping at straws


here I'll tighten it up for you
Because Junior production is a great indicator of future success assuming you don't have a major flaw (re: skating and or size).

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I like how people discredit his wjc production. Then in the sam breath call out his ohl production but have not watched a game or very many to get an accurate opinion on how he has played.

 

[nucks88]

I am just hoping for the best for the kid. I am sure the Canucks will have him on a strict program this summer to build up some strength. I am looking forward to see how he looks at next year's camp. I am sure the same usual suspects will be in here slamming him but whatever...

 

[Pip]

I like how people discredit his wjc production. Then in the sam breath call out his ohl production but have not watched a game or very many to get an accurate opinion on how he has played.

He put up 2 points in 6 games in the last world juniors...

Maybe playing with the utterly dominant Finnish trio the year before inflated his stats

 

[Pip]

Only on HFBoards do you see people arguing that the regular season is more important than the playoffs.

In terms of projecting junior players? I see no problem with it

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

.72 points/game is basically ppg?



(it's because it's actually really important)



He was on a weak team but did not look like a top draft pick. Thankfully I don't put much stock into the World Juniors.

Oh really? Say hi to Simon Gamache for me...