LD Lane Hutson - Montreal Canadiens, NHL (2022, 62nd, MTL) - Part 2

[Just Linda]

Another point btw

If we make these posts after every point, this thread is going to get really, really long.

 

[montreal]

27 points in his last 25 games. When the hockey world gets to watch the Demidov-Hutson show next year, so many HF nerds will be crying themselves to sleep watching them light up the scoreboards.

 

[Miller Time]

27 points in his last 25 games. When the hockey world gets to watch the Demidov-Hutson show next year, so many HF nerds will be crying themselves to sleep watching them light up the scoreboards.

While playing 22+min/game on one of the hottest teams in the league through that stretch...

Damn impressive for a 20yr old rookie dman

 

[jfhabs]

As an American, I really want him to develop and become great, but it's getting to be like it was with Tim Tebow. You literally can't say anything negative. It's like Russia has paid bots here like they do on X.

You can say he's average defensively , saying he's terrible is just plain wrong at this point. There's no debate.
I wasn't a believer or a fan boy of his, but the result are in our faces, either your're not watching or your bias.

He's above average defensively for a 20yr old NHL rookie dman playing 20+ min/night.

Hot takes devoid of context are just a bunch of hot air... Not understanding hockey doesn't make someone a "hater", it just makes for bad takes.

Yes, but also, let's not act like there aren't a bunch of haters in this thread...

 

[AuraSphere]

27 points in his last 25 games. When the hockey world gets to watch the Demidov-Hutson show next year, so many HF nerds will be crying themselves to sleep watching them light up the scoreboards.

That's cute that you think having star potential players isn't normal and that montreal will have some competitive advantage lol, guess its been a long time since montreal had someone considered a star. Hope you realize almost every contender has their version of hutson-demidov (or what you will assume will be their peaks anyway).

Either way - if you look at Lane Hutson's prospect thread, you'll see that before he was drafted i called him a top 15 pick and wanted him, but you have fun with your bragging rights

 

[jfhabs]

The stats are right there in the post.

What stats?
Make your argument, because from the stats you posted previously, it looks like you don't have a clear understanding of their meaning. Hutson isn't a terrible defensive player, that's just horse shit at this point.

 

[Star Platinum]

Actually he was -5 yesterday so he sucks shit

The first step to healing is confronting your trauma

 

[Star Platinum]

As an American, I really want him to develop and become great, but it's getting to be like it was with Tim Tebow. You literally can't say anything negative. It's like Russia has paid bots here like they do on X.

Nah, the Russian bots post about Michkov. It's a bunch of snooty hockey-loving French speaking bots that post about the Church of Lane.

 

[TLEH]

What stats?
Make you're argument, because from the stats you posted previously, it looks like you don't have a clear understanding of their meaning. Hutson isn't a terrible defensive player, that's just horse shit at this point.

I already made my arguement. His xGA and HDCA numbers at 5v5 are some of the worst in the entire league. He generates offense at an elite level. There is my arguement. People in here want to act like he's a good defender so I disagree. I never said he's a bad player and I'm not a troll.

 

[jfhabs]

I already made my arguement. His xGA and HDCA numbers at 5v5 are some of the worst in the entire league. He generates offense at an elite level. There is my arguement. People in here want to act like he's a good defender so I disagree. I never said he's a bad player and I'm not a troll.

You can't take that stat alone to make a conclusion.

It is just wrong from rational point of view. But also makes you look very bias, even tho you claim you aren't... Hard to tell if you're wrong or bias.

 

[TLEH]

You can't take that stat alone to make a conclusion.

It is just wrong from rational point of view. But also makes you look very bias, even tho you claim you aren't... Hard to tell if you're wrong or bias.

jfhabs would never be biased towards a habs player.

 

[Frank Drebin]

jfhabs would never be biased towards a habs player.

"I really hope Lane Hutson ends up a good player I just showed up after his worst game of the season to say he's bad defensively"

 

[jfhabs]

jfhabs would never be biased towards a habs player.

It's obviously my team, and you are obviously clueless about advanced statistics.

"I really hope Lane Hutson ends up a good player I just showed up after his worst game of the season to say he's bad defensively"

Some people...

 

[Legend123]

He's so good with his stick both on the attack and the defense

 

[TLEH]

"I really hope Lane Hutson ends up a good player I just showed up after his worst game of the season to say he's bad defensively"

I clicked on the thread and saw people defending his defense, so I made the comment. How he played against the Leafs is irrelevant.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Last summer, Avs fans were claiming Hutson was just another Girard.

In his rookie season, in just 46 games, Hutson already has more pts than Girard ever had in a season.

 

[CaviarAndRinkFries]

 

[Angler]

As hard as people try, you can't take away what Hutson has been able to do this year. If you look at the list of past rookies who have accomplished what he already has this season, you'll realize he's in some pretty prestigious company. And I think he has been fine defensively, that part of his game is being completely overblown. It makes sense though, he's naturally going to get a lot of heat/hate playing for one of the major market teams.

 

[wetcoast]

If we make these posts after every point, this thread is going to get really, really long.

Every thread about Habs prospects are long, they just have a large and passionate fan base on here but you are right.

 

[waitin425]

If we make these posts after every point, this thread is going to get really, really long.

It will be...but as long as every point is part of the current streak or part of a future streak it is something to watch. He is on an 8 game heater. Eclipsing his previous record of a 7 game point streak.

The guy is doing something special this year!

 

[CaviarAndRinkFries]

 

[Tanknation]

I already made my arguement. His xGA and HDCA numbers at 5v5 are some of the worst in the entire league. He generates offense at an elite level. There is my arguement. People in here want to act like he's a good defender so I disagree. I never said he's a bad player and I'm not a troll.

You are just spewing what people intially thought and throwing shit and hoping it sticks. Even commentators were talking the other day that he is good on D. Always first one back. For a 20 year old, elite offensive player, his Defense has been pretty dman good.

You don't watch Habs games so how would you even know? And if you did, you clearly don't know much about hockey then.

 

[dgibb10]

A lot of talk about him being bad defensively but not a lot of context included.

His e+/- (xGF-xGA) is second on the Habs. His possession stats are top few on the Habs almost across the board. 3rd best GA/60 among Habs dmen (while having best GF/60 among their d), relative stats second only to Struble... He's got some of the better defensive metrics on the Habs.

Really good stats for a 20 year old.

Why are you trying to throw in his offense to justify his defense? You seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it to. Using his offensive generation to pretend his defense is better than it is, while then ALSO using that same offensive generation again.

"His e+/- (xGF-xGA) is second on the Habs"

His xGA (you know, the defense part) is dead last among habs dmen, but it's convenient to leave that out.

His elite offensive generation makes up for his defensive deficiencies. It doesn't mean they aren't there.



"3rd best GA/60 among Habs dmen"

Carrier, Barron (you can combine them as one if you want), Savard, Xhekaj all rank better in this category.


Meanwhile.

Among NHL dmen:

197th/206 in xGA/60

154th in CA

174th in GA/60

Lying about his defense just makes you hard to take seriously.

 

[dgibb10]

He's above average defensively for a 20yr old NHL rookie dman playing 20+ min/night.

Hot takes devoid of context are just a bunch of hot air... Not understanding hockey doesn't make someone a "hater", it just makes for bad takes.

Out of the 73 20 year old dmen to amass 600 5v5 minutes in a year since 2007, Hutson ranks 72nd in xGA/60 and 67th in GA/60. So no, not quite.

He ranks 3rd in xGF/60 tho, because he is elite offensively

 

[Jamaican Patty]

Before I said I think Hutson would get deserving Norris votes like Markov did in his prime but now I can see multiple top 3 finishes in his career. Guy is a stud.