LD Jackson Smith - Edge School Prep, CSSHL U15 (2025 Draft)

With the Avs being the worst drafting team in the league that's basically a good thing for him lol. Avs don't pick until the 4th anyway. I mean depends how he worded it because Smith doesn't project as an offensive dman he's a two guy. Now if he meant Smith won't produce offense in the NHL then he's just blind. Might not be a ideal PP1 guy but 30-40 even strength points is realistic
As someone who’s watched hockey for almost 3 decades, I’m a little embarrassed to ask but I must: what is a number 2 defenseman? The leader on the second pair or the sidekick on the 1st pair? I’ve seen it used both ways so I’m always unsure
 
As someone who’s watched hockey for almost 3 decades, I’m a little embarrassed to ask but I must: what is a number 2 defenseman? The leader on the second pair or the sidekick on the 1st pair? I’ve seen it used both ways so I’m always unsure
I have seen it referred to either way. It depends on how team deploy their D. Sometimes the 2 best are on the top pair or top PP unit others they spilt them up with weaker off Dmen.
 
As someone who’s watched hockey for almost 3 decades, I’m a little embarrassed to ask but I must: what is a number 2 defenseman? The leader on the second pair or the sidekick on the 1st pair? I’ve seen it used both ways so I’m always unsure
meant to have two in there for two-way guy but I do also see Smith as a future #2. #2 is basically not a franchise dman on the level of a Doughty/Hedman/Josi and now Makar/Hughes but still a guy who can play 25+ minutes a night and a coach can be comfortable putting out against anyone. On weak teams they can play in the #1 role but on true cup contenders you'd want them as #2s like Toews/Pietrangelo at this stage of career/Sergachev when he was in Tampa/etc
 
Has really struggled through the first two games of the playoffs. Outmatched vs Victoria's offence thus far and is relied on too much by his coaches. One thing I have noticed is that for as good as he is through the neutral zone his timing on the rushes often end with him not having options at zone entry. Too often he begins his rush without any wave coming with him and he ends up isolating himself. Thats just in my very small sample size.

Also, interesting tidbit. I spoke with a scout who was clearly not impressed. Went out of his way to highlight Reschny and Verhoeff in our short conversation and barely wanted to mention Smith as a footnote. Said he was terrible in game 1 (which he was) and was quite dismissive of him overall. The interesting part was that he said he doesn't project Smith as an offensive Dman at the NHL level. I found that odd considering he is quite obviously a mobile Dman with elite skiing and offensively minded. (spoiler- don't expect Colorado to draft Smith....)
He is still quite raw. Big guy who skates great, but he seems to struggle in defensive zone. Every time I watch him I’m less impressed. Reschny on the other hand..
 
As someone who’s watched hockey for almost 3 decades, I’m a little embarrassed to ask but I must: what is a number 2 defenseman? The leader on the second pair or the sidekick on the 1st pair? I’ve seen it used both ways so I’m always unsure
When I hear/say “this guy could be a number 2” — I think Noah Hanifin tier haha

Idk how to explain it anyway else
 
As someone who’s watched hockey for almost 3 decades, I’m a little embarrassed to ask but I must: what is a number 2 defenseman? The leader on the second pair or the sidekick on the 1st pair? I’ve seen it used both ways so I’m always unsure

It's what dumb people call a #1 defender who doesn't play PP1 so doesn't meet the hockey card stats they expect from a 1D.
 
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#2 D usually refers to the more defensive oriented player who plays on the first pair. More often, instead of PP1 time, they are PK1, but often play heavy minutes 5V5 and on the PK. The league continues to evolve with basically all teams only playing one defender on the PP and so teams to deploy their most offensively capable Defender on PP1, many times it will be a specialist. a good example would be a guy like Adam Fox or Lane Hutson, who are adequate defenders but elite offensive defensemen. I would say that the modern prototype for a #2 D these days is probably a guy like Jaccob Slavin, though others on this board will obviously have differing opinions.
 
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#2 D usually refers to the more defensive oriented player who plays on the first pair. More often, instead of PP1 time, they are PK1, but often play heavy minutes 5V5 and on the PK. The league continues to evolve with basically all teams only playing one defender on the PP and so teams to deploy their most offensively capable Defender on PP1, many times it will be a specialist. a good example would be a guy like Adam Fox or Lane Hutson, who are adequate defenders but elite offensive defensemen. I would say that the modern prototype for a #2 D these days is probably a guy like Jaccob Slavin, though others on this board will obviously have differing opinions.
Can’t believe people still don’t recognize this after like 6 years in the league, but Adam Fox is elite defensively. He’s closer to a defensive defenseman than offensive defenseman.
 
You know something Buchnevich, it never fails to amaze me how people like you are choosing to express themselves on these boards. Adam Fox is a #1 defenseman and a great player. He also benefits from some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL among #1 defensemen because of his OFFENSIVE prowess. He's not on either of the Rangers PK units because they're trying to preserve his legs for O zone opportunities, which he is suited for in an elite way. The top #1 defenders in the league play, on average, about 25 minutes per game. Despite being a #1 defenseman, Fox doesn't rank in the top 25 for minutes per game. Why? Because he doesn't play as much defense. Why is that? Because he's not elite at it and the Rangers realize that. He's great at puck control, zone exits and entries and has outstanding Corsi ratings for that reason (in addition to being paired with K'Andre Miller) All good decisions. So maybe next time, if you are going to be wrong about something, you could at least choose to be polite about it. The rest of the posters here would appreciate that as well.
 
You know something Buchnevich, it never fails to amaze me how people like you are choosing to express themselves on these boards.
The amount of wrong in your post is impressive.

Someone who maybe sees a player 10 times max per season lecturing someone who watches a player every game.

Just admit you were uninformed on the topic.

Adam Fox is a #1 defenseman and a great player. He also benefits from some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL among #1 defensemen because of his OFFENSIVE prowess.
No, no, no. You aren’t going to look at a stat sheet, and then tell us your flawed conclusions are facts.

His coach uses him in that way because he’s an idiot coach. The team might be better and have more success if he didn’t have a cave man view.
He's not on either of the Rangers PK units because they're trying to preserve his legs for O zone opportunities, which he is suited for in an elite way.
There’s quite literally zero factual proof for this claim.

He is a regular PK’er.

Maybe actually check the stats the next time before you get too confident

The top #1 defenders in the league play, on average, about 25 minutes per game. Despite being a #1 defenseman, Fox doesn't rank in the top 25 for minutes per game. Why? Because he doesn't play as much defense. Why is that? Because he's not elite at it and the Rangers realize that.
Even more wrong. He doesn’t play that much because his coach is a literal idiot. Nothing more. Fans of the team understand this. People like you who think they can read a boxscore and draw the truth from that won’t understand it. Well, maybe they should. I won’t suggest most people would draw such a laughable conclusion as you did.

Anyone suggesting Fox is not elite defensively has never watched him play or looked too deeply into his stats. I literally don’t think I’ve seen Fox’s defensive fancy charts ever not in the 90’s.

He's great at puck control, zone exits and entries and has outstanding Corsi ratings for that reason (in addition to being paired with K'Andre Miller)
Wait, are you serious?

So first of all, he’s been paired with K’Andre Miller maybe five games all season. He’s not paired with Miller now either.

And Miller is atrocious this season anyway. Just a complete lack of knowledge about the topic you’re talking about.

All good decisions. So maybe next time, if you are going to be wrong about something, you could at least choose to be polite about it. The rest of the posters here would appreciate that as well.
It takes a very self confident person to tell someone who watches a player every game that they don’t know what they are saying and you instead know better because of what you conceptualize or a poor reading of stats.

Rich to lecture someone about being polite after they act so condescending.
 
When I hear/say “this guy could be a number 2” — I think Noah Hanifin tier haha

Idk how to explain it anyway else
I think a little less than that. Like Dumoulin was a #2 paired with #1 Letang for that 5-6 year stretch.

I think a #2 can either be paired with a #1 or anchor the 2nd pairing.

I don't actually think there are 32 legitimate #1 d-men in this league, either. So some teams might have a #2 be their defacto #1.
 
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I think a little less than that. Like Dumoulin was a #2 paired with #1 Letang for that 5-6 year stretch.

I think a #2 can either be paired with a #1 or anchor the 2nd pairing.

I don't actually think there are 32 legitimate #1 d-men in this league, either. So some teams might have a #2 be their defacto #1.
I think this is the difference in interpretation. Optimally could play with a 1D or drive the second pair. Would be a weak 1D. Hence Hanifin. I think he’s a good example of that.

I agree with the bolded. But I think that applies to #2s as well. There’s probably not 32 of them.

Like I loved Dumo - he was sick but at his peak. But I’d have him as a 3D, even if he was a top pair guy on a cup team. He’d never be able to drive a pair
 

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