Atas2000
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Sorry, I should have made the fact that I am being sarcastic more obvious
I apologize then too
Sorry, I should have made the fact that I am being sarcastic more obvious
I didn't look this deep into it. I wonder if he'll push to get out of his contract and come over after this year. He still has two more years left.He is barely getting any ice time
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You people are too funny. A guy who is given icetime in the best league not named NHL should be unhappy and want out? To do what? Play in a worse league?I didn't look this deep into it. I wonder if he'll push to get out of his contract and come over after this year. He still has two more years left.
You people are too funny. A guy who is given icetime in the best league not named NHL should be unhappy and want out? To do what? Play in a worse league?
You people are too funny. A guy who is given icetime in the best league not named NHL should be unhappy and want out? To do what? Play in a worse league?
The picture showed that the guy who posted it is purposedly bending facts to fit his agenda. Selectively picking games when a player is getting less minutes is just dishonest argumentation. Go look up his TOI throughout the season. If he is getting less minutes lately, how about the coaching staff sees a reason for that?Idk what you're looking at, but the picture showed he is clearly not getting ice time. Why not come over, probably get more meaningful minutes, and get used to the NA ice/style of play?
Hmmm, okay, so every player in the NHL who is (deservingly) getting less mintes by coach decision or is even benched should demand a trade and seek to violate his contract? If not, why is that okay for a KHL player?
The picture showed that the guy who posted it is purposedly bending facts to fit his agenda. Selectively picking games when a player is getting less minutes is just dishonest argumentation. Go look up his TOI throughout the season. If he is getting less minutes lately, how about the coaching staff sees a reason for that?
Of course you can. A player getting less minutes in just a few recent games(probably for a game related reason) does not mean a player is not getting minutes at all. How many guys at 20 get veteran minutes consistently?Wait, so which is it: is that poster cherrypicking games (as it happens, all of their recent ones...) to push an agenda, or is there an underlying reason for why said player is playing less minutes as you seem to imply? You can't have it both ways.
No, the difference is NJ has a vested interest in developing Misyul so even if he has a tough game in the AHL they will continue feeding him minutes. It is a development league. KHL, Lokomotiv especially, doesn't give a rats ass about Misyul, they care about winning.Of course you can. A player getting less minutes in just a few recent games(probably for a game related reason) does not mean a player is not getting minutes at all. How many guys at 20 get veteran minutes consistently?
The problem is people pretending they know the reasons and trying to lead others to believe those are the true reasons? Based on what? Their weird anti-Russia, anti-KHL narratives.
There actually is no controversy at all here. Just a 20 year old developing in the KHL. Those people stir the pot with their "assumptions" and attempts to even bind the case of one player to another. Again based on some weird anti-Russia narrative, because the bad, bad Russians in the KHL always do that, right? Right?
No, the difference is NJ has a vested interest in developing Misyul so even if he has a tough game in the AHL they will continue feeding him minutes. It is a development league. KHL, SKA especially, doesn't give a rats ass about Misyul, they care about winning.
So yea, i want him out of the KHL playing in the shittier AHL, you know like Okhotiuk who is close to being an NHLer.
I didn't look this deep into it. I wonder if he'll push to get out of his contract and come over after this year. He still has two more years left.
Hmmm, okay, so every player in the NHL who is (deservingly) getting less mintes by coach decision or is even benched should demand a trade and seek to violate his contract? If not, why is that okay for a KHL player?
That's pure naive attempt of blackmail. "Gimme minutes or else".
It worked perfectly for a former first round pick Rubtsov(NOT).
He is now 23 and useless in both leagues.
No, the difference is NJ has a vested interest in developing Misyul so even if he has a tough game in the AHL they will continue feeding him minutes. It is a development league. KHL, SKA especially, doesn't give a rats ass about Misyul, they care about winning.
So yea, i want him out of the KHL playing in the shittier AHL, you know like Okhotiuk who is close to being an NHLer.
My apologies, I meant Lokomotiv however SKA was stuck in my mind with Rykov's situation.Here I will reply to our American/Canadian friends.
First of all, Misyul has nothing to do with SKA.
I recommend our friends in Canada & USA to watch ALL KHL games if they want to comment on the KHL or Russian players. Otherwise, their opinion has zero value.
Regarding the contracts. Why does anybody want from player to break his contract signed with the KHL club? We should want the players to honour their contracts, not to recommend them to break the deal. We can see how the NHL clubs are making pressure on players to break their KHL deals. That activity by the NHL clubs is illegal. They have no right to talk directly or indirectly to any player under contract in the KHL (& other Europe league).
If the NHL club wants a player from the KHL (Europe), the NHL club should officially offer his KHL/EU club a financial compensation for releasing the player. That compensation might be millions of dollars if both clubs agree on it. Is that such a huge problem for the wealthy NHL clubs to spend a few million on players they want to sign? I am sure that Lokomotiv would release Misyul if the NHL club paid five to ten million dollars. It is now up to the NHL club to come with such an offer.
@Atas2000 is very correct with the NHL. Our American/Canadian friends want the KHL players to break their deals in first opportunity (less ice time, benching etc). So, why not to demand the same attitude from the players under NHL contract. So, using an example, player X is benched, getting less ice time, sending to AHL or CHL, being in press-box etc. So, he should just tell his NHL club, fine guys, I am not happy with you, tomorrow I am going to the KHL/Europe and you (NHL) can not do anything to do with it. You (NHL) are obligated to release me without any problem and immediately. Just an honest question for our friends in NA - does it work like that in the NHL? If not, why do you want the KHL (Europe) to work in such way?
As said earlier, the NHL has one great opportunity - to pay million dollars to the KHL/Europe clubs for releasing the players. The question is why the NHL is not doing it!! Do they (NHL) fear anything?
That is fine, SKA or Lokomotiv.My apologies, I meant Lokomotiv however SKA was stuck in my mind with Rykov's situation.
I was in the process of editing my message to include the following:That is fine, SKA or Lokomotiv.
What is not fine is the attitude that a player should break his KHL contract while his KHL club getting no financial compensation from the NHL club! If your NHL club wants him so badly, why is not offering five to ten millions dollars, or whatever they agree on, to Lokomotiv? That would be fair & honest approach by the NHL club. But no, instead they are directly or indirectly contacting the player (not just Misyul) with a pressure on a player to break his KHL contract or not to sign a new contract in the KHL. While the NHL clubs have no legal or moral right to contact the player! All they can do is to contact the player´s KHL (European) club to negotiate a transfer fee. Only then, they can talk to the player.
We all know the stories of how the NHL GMs talking to European (Russian) players the fairytales like "we are waiting for you", "you will get a lot of ice time in the NHL, just sign with us." And reality? The player signs in the NHL and is sent to the AHL, getting a small portion of ice time.
Even Szemberg says there are too many Swedes (Szemberg is a Swede) who are skating on the AHL level instead of playing in Sweden. That Swedish hockey is not benefiting anything from it. He does not understand why the NHL club sign a player when the NHL club does not give him huge minutes on NHL level SINCE DAY ONE. There is absolutely no reason to sign a European player just to skate him in NA minors. If the NHL club does not need the player on NHL roster RIGHT NOW, let keep the player in Europe. Nothing wrong is a player moves to NA leagues at 23, 25, 27 years. It is even better for NHL clubs because the player is able to produce hugely on the NHL level since day one. For example Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Panarin, Kaprizov.
But to come back. That is not only about Misyul. It is about all players from Europe. Why are not NHL clubs ready to offer serious & fair financial compensation to the European clubs? It can not be any serious issue for the NHL club to pay a few million dollars per player. The NHL clubs are wealthy enough!
I would think so. Big mobile defensmen who can defend are quite valuable.Is he in NJ's plans going forward?