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Confirmed with Link: Laughton 50 Retention A 4th and A 6th to the Leafs for A Conditional 2027 1st Round Pick and Nikita Grebenkin

Ianturnedbull said:
The emotional attachment to Grebenkin is understandable. I liked him too. When you step back from it you realize who he is. I think too many are looking at what he might be. Some here even called him "blue chip." I hope one day he has an NHL career, but before the trade he probably wasn't even in TOR's top 8 in prospects. There was easily 7 players with more points than Grebenkin before he was traded.

I know it's an outdated GM saying, but the "team who's acquires the best player, wins the trade". I understand he started off badly, but Laughton is that player. Add the bonus: 50% retention, 4th round pick, and a 6th round pick; I think Toronto edges PHI here.
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Exactly, hes hitting and play hard but outside this... for what i saw he bring nothing more so honestly maybe he will be nothing more than Carl Grundstrom... I would nor be surprise to see grebenkin having same kind of development

Laughton and domi starting to create kind of chemistry and if they can find their rythm together and bring secondary scoring and help the team o score 2-3 more goal and exemple scoring game winning game to close a serie, everybody here will forgot pretty fastly the 1st pick paid ...
 
Kiwi said:
Didn't like the trade at the time and still don't but it's done and there's no changing that

Here's hoping Laughton plays well during the playoffs and helps us go on a long run

I'd be thrilled if he can turn it around and make me eat crow, winning would make it taste great
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Most level-headed response. I didn't want him, and once he got here, I wanted him less. But at this point, we have to hope he turns into a great gritty 3rd liner who chips in a key goal that helps us through a series. Based on what I've seen I'm not confident of that happening, but I'm going to see how he does in the playoffs before I trash this guy again.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
What I am saying we don’t know.
Also it is not guarantee that the Leafs would have draft the same player in that spot too.
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Yeah but those are somewhat cliched draft schmaft talking points.

When you draft someone in the first round they hold value. Ben Danford hasn’t had a good year but I’m sure he’s holding value for now.

Your late firsts don’t need to turn into Pastrnak for them to be useful. It’s currency. And we over spent on Laughton by a long way.
 
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Stephen said:
Yeah but those are somewhat cliched draft schmaft talking points.

When you draft someone in the first round they hold value. Ben Danford hasn’t had a good year but I’m sure he’s holding value for now.

Your late firsts don’t need to turn into Pastrnak for them to be useful. It’s currency. And we over spent on Laughton by a long way.
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if you ain’t in you can’t win, with the 38th pick which would have been the Leafs pick the Nashville Predators pick Roman Jossi.
 
Confucius said:
if you ain’t in you can’t win, with the 38th pick which would have been the Leafs pick the Nashville Predators pick Roman Jossi.
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Growing up with Cliff Fletcher all-in mortgaging of the future policies, I'm philosophically closer to what the Carolina Hurricanes do with their asset management - although with the caveat that they've often been a little too conservative and never in until the Guentzel deal last year. Even the Rantanen re-sell was a little odd. But I like their evergreen approach a lot more than the hurried, panicked need to spend every last prospect/pick draft capital. You keep watching as a fan and those bad decisions always catch up with you.
 
Stephen said:
Growing up with Cliff Fletcher all-in mortgaging of the future policies, I'm philosophically closer to what the Carolina Hurricanes do with their asset management - although with the caveat that they've often been a little too conservative and never in until the Guentzel deal last year. Even the Rantanen re-sell was a little odd. But I like their evergreen approach a lot more than the hurried, panicked need to spend every last prospect/pick draft capital. You keep watching as a fan and those bad decisions always catch up with you.
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On one level I don't disagree..on the other I don't think a late 1st one way or the other isn't going to change the teams future fortunes.

If the Matthews era doesn't work over the next couple seasons the team is going to spend 5-6 years rebuilding at the bottom of the league to try and be competitive by the early 2030s.

Either it's worth spending assets to try and win now or they should have blown it fully up. At least they've firmly picked a side. I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride in the meantime one way or the other
 
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Menzinger said:
On one level I don't disagree..on the other I don't think a late 1st one way or the other isn't going to change the teams future fortunes.

If the Matthews era doesn't work over the next couple seasons the team is going to spend 5-6 years rebuilding at the bottom of the league to try and be competitive by the early 2030s.

Either it's worth spending assets to try and win now or they should have blown it fully up. At least they've firmly picked a side. I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride in the meantime one way or the other
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No, I don’t agree with picking a direction because it’s never really about one year.

The latest boost to this team’s window of contention is Matthew Knies, a second round throwaway pick that we would have thought nothing about trading for a Mark Giordano or something. But he somehow manages to make it through and is an outer core piece well on his way to being an inner core piece.

You have to give your futures a chance to out perform. It’s not a Matthews era we need to go all in on, there’s a franchise here after Matthews, and even if we went with that direction, first rounders for guys like Foligno and Laughton are not exactly high enough quality to be “all in” anyway.

PS. If you don't manage your futures properly you never put yourself into a position to draft these guys who can actually prolong your window. Wyatt Johnston for Dallas for example.
 
ULF_55 said:
Who did that?
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Lmao, oh yeah I forgot we added Gerbenkin, who by the way still hasn’t had time to settle in with his new team but still managed 3 goals and 2 assists in his 6 games in the AHL. I guess that accounts for the 4th and 6th, He’s 21 to boot, what a poor trade.

So we traded down from our 1st for 1.5 million in cap space. Lol
 
Confucius said:
Domi free agent
McMann free agent
Jarnkrok free agent
Kampf free agent
Holmberg free agent
Lorentz free agent

That calibre more or less is available every summer
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1-Holmberg was not a free agent but a player drafted by organisation...

2-and the fact you can get those player for free in the summer doesn't mean those kind of player will want to play in your team

3- I can say same thing on the other side, you can find pretty good player and doesn't necessairly need a 1st pick.

Mcmann, bunting, Mikheyev, hyman...

Do that mean they got Laughton for free because leafs can get free good young player for nothing?!?!?! It's completly the same thing than what you said but reversed

4-If Laughton still continu to play good hockey with Domi like they did last 4 game and together bring secondary scoring in playoff( something leafs didn't had since at least 5 year...Nobody will care about a stupid 1st round pick, sorry

At the end a 1st pick is like 25% of giving a player as good than laughton, 10% a better player and 75% a worst player or a bust... in like 8 years... That's the real value of a 1st pick
 
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thusk said:
1-Holmberg was not a free agent but a player drafted by organisation...

2-and the fact you can get those player for free in the summer doesn't mean those kind of player will want to play in your team

3- I can say same thing on the other side, you can find pretty good player and doesn't necessairly need a 1st pick.

Mcmann, bunting, Mikheyev, hyman...

Do that mean they got Laughton for free because leafs can get free good young player for nothing?!?!?! It's completly the same thing than what you said but reversed

4-If Laughton still continu to play good hockey with Domi like they did last 4 game and together bring secondary scoring in playoff( something leafs didn't had since at least 5 year...Nobody will care about a stupid 1st round pick, sorry

At the end a 1st pick is like 25% of giving a player as good than laughton, 10% a better player and 75% a worst player or a bust... in like 8 years... That's the real value of a 1st pick
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If you think the guys in our bottom 6 are each worth a 1st and good young prospect. God bless.
 
Confucius said:
If you think the guys in our bottom 6 are each worth a 1st and good young prospect. God bless.
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a good prospect... we don't have the same definition

It's kind of player you can love because hes working extremely hard but for what i saw his tools for have NHL succes are also pretty limited... He will become probably a carreer 4th line energy player. Haymes leafs just signed and got for absolutly nothing as undrafted player is a better prospect than grebenkin.

Tampa just spent 2 1st and a 2nd to boost their bottom 6 and did the same exact thing 5 years ago with coleman and goodrow...

If you don't have a bottom 6 group able to challenge opposite team bottom 6, good luck to win in playoff... Tampa, florida, boston, Montreal, columbus bottom 6 all outplayed leafs bottom 6 years after year. If that trade just can change the thing and removing pressure of the shoulder of core4, yeah that will deserve it no doubt because you can't hope make a long run without secondary scoring, just basically impossible
 
ULF_55 said:
4th. and 6th. went with Laughton to the Leafs.

Why do so many want to ignore the actual deal?
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How valuable are those?

I was told last year, when we gave away 6 picks and the best player was Dewar, that mid picks are irrelevant and worthless.

If they hold value now, holy, last year was terrible too.
 
I don’t get the point of talking about who you can draft with the pick, the value of it is being able to make a solid add next deadline when our two biggest competitors might not be able to.
 
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Stephen said:
No, I don’t agree with picking a direction because it’s never really about one year.

The latest boost to this team’s window of contention is Matthew Knies, a second round throwaway pick that we would have thought nothing about trading for a Mark Giordano or something. But he somehow manages to make it through and is an outer core piece well on his way to being an inner core piece.

You have to give your futures a chance to out perform. It’s not a Matthews era we need to go all in on, there’s a franchise here after Matthews, and even if we went with that direction, first rounders for guys like Foligno and Laughton are not exactly high enough quality to be “all in” anyway.

PS. If you don't manage your futures properly you never put yourself into a position to draft these guys who can actually prolong your window. Wyatt Johnston for Dallas for example.
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Question, how is Tampa for example able to continually replenish their farm system while continually giving up firsts? It seems like they never run out of guys to call up and make an impact.

Tampa also excels at finding under value guys that exceed or outperform their contracts on a yearly basis.
 
Stephen said:
No, I don’t agree with picking a direction because it’s never really about one year.

The latest boost to this team’s window of contention is Matthew Knies, a second round throwaway pick that we would have thought nothing about trading for a Mark Giordano or something. But he somehow manages to make it through and is an outer core piece well on his way to being an inner core piece.

You have to give your futures a chance to out perform. It’s not a Matthews era we need to go all in on, there’s a franchise here after Matthews, and even if we went with that direction, first rounders for guys like Foligno and Laughton are not exactly high enough quality to be “all in” anyway.

PS. If you don't manage your futures properly you never put yourself into a position to draft these guys who can actually prolong your window. Wyatt Johnston for Dallas for example.
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First, I always stated we overpaid for Laughton.
Secondly, I think the direction of the Leafs will always be murky due to the core being choke artists.
That’s the tough part to gauge or commit as the GM. The higher up might just say, we need these guys to sell jerseys and promote our brand….while they continue to choke in the playoffs. Shanny and Dubas made the mistake and Tre is still paying for their mistakes. Unless MM is gone this summer and somehow Reilly waive his NTC, Tre will continue to work around the mistakes from past MGT.

Laughton is a solid piece but certainly not for that price but what’s done is done. Just hope he pots a goal or two in the playoffs and all is well.
 
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francis246 said:
Question, how is Tampa for example able to continually replenish their farm system while continually giving up firsts? It seems like they never run out of guys to call up and make an impact.

Tampa also excels at finding under value guys that exceed or outperform their contracts on a yearly basis.
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I still remembered before TB had their Cups run, for like two or three yrs in a row, watching the WJC is like watching TB showcasing their prospects. It seemed like the top performers from smaller countries are always a TB draft pick.

Most of all, top guys playing like top guys and they can afford to get secondary players, something Leafs can’t do with the three and now four 10mil plus players.
 
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