Confirmed with Link: Laughton 50 Retention A 4th and A 6th to the Leafs for A Conditional 2027 1st Round Pick and Nikita Grebenkin

[Suntouchable13]

Makes no sense.
If he struggles from the time we acquired him all the way through the playoffs he’ll have nowhere close to the same value trading him along.
You give him the off-season to prepare to be better next season at a great cap hit and you strengthen the bottom 6 around him.

Yea, then how do you improve? If they don't win the cup, what's the pathway to get better then? You need better players in the bottom 6. If he is a dud in the playoffs, i don't have time to wait and see IF he can be better next season.

 

[ULF_55]

Brad makes more money than me, so he should figure out how to make the numbers add up.

The upside is if Laughton does not fit, for whatever reason, the contract is such that it is moveable and we should be able to get value back, in addition to the cap space.

I am hoping we are in the game with Donato as a UFA, including using money that is freed up when Marner leaves.

Cheers.

If marner is unsigned by July 1st. Leafs will likely have his Cap Space spent within 24hrs.

$13mm can land a 1st. and 3rd. liner.

If Leafs flop again in the playoffs how many would be clambouring to play-it-back again again again?

marner controls where he goes, Leafs shouldn't have any hesitance to use his money on day 1.

 

[ULF_55]

The Flyers, who retained 50 per cent of his remaining US$3-million salary cap hit both this season and next, also shipped fourth- and six-round selections — in 2025 and 2027 — to Toronto. The first-rounder heading to the Flyers is top-10 protected.

Leafs still have the 6th. rounder in 2027, but the 4th. was useful in picking up Carlo.

Too bad, would have liked to see it used in the draft, but Leafs aren't looking at 2028 for success.

Want success in the next 3 years.

 

[Sammy Kat]

I am surprised that Laughton has struggled this much as I did see him play a lot and thought this was a good add.
Some players take longer than others to adapt to a new situation so I hope this is the case here.
He is the type of guy that when he plays his game is a good guy for playoff style grinder hockey.

 

[Stephen]

I think he might just be the half way mark between Calle Jarnkrok and Max Domi. I don’t know why pro scouting is so attracted to this kind of versatile rice cake type of player. He has a personality and it might surface one day? Nice.

 

[Donnie740]

Mind reader here.

It’s unfortunate that my post didn’t expand on what I would spend the saved $13m from Marner on, now isn’t it?

Still, that didn’t stop you from busting on through, making assumptions and put downs of other fans on this forum, as is your MO.

You are an easy poster to ignore. Thanks for blessing us with your true blue fandom.

You are a beacon of light for all the schleps in Leaf Nation to aspire to be.

Heavy is your burden to be surrounded by such imperfection and substandard fandom, but you bear this weight with dignity, grace, and a humbleness that speaks well of your breeding.

Fair thee well, Donnie.

You said you want to see the Leafs sign a scrub like Ryan Donato instead of spending the money to retain a legit top end player like Marner. Your words, not mine.

Now that you’ve been called out on how useless of a hockey player Donato is, you’re trying to spin things to a personal attack and play the victim role.

 

[Donnie740]

I think he might just be the half way mark between Calle Jarnkrok and Max Domi. I don’t know why pro scouting is so attracted to this kind of versatile rice cake type of player. He has a personality and it might surface one day? Nice.

Laughton is comparable to Domi - - both play a chippy, physical game. You’ll never see either of them back down from anyone.

JarnCrap is a finesse type who’s terrified of tough physical hockey. This wouldn’t be so bad if he actually had some talent but when a player can’t score and can’t hit either, he’s literally good for nothing.

 

[Gabriel426]

Honestly it was an overpayment but it is not as bad as you guys making it sounds.

Greb is solid but he really seem like a less skill and a lot more physical Engvall, who might be a bottom 6 players in the NHL or just might never make it. He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies. Leafs got a 4th and 6th, it is not too difficult for Leafs to draft another Greb.

The 1st is not a top 5 pick. It will most likely be early 20s even if the Leafs do their usually 7 games playoffs series to end the year.
If the Leafs advances it will be mid to late 20s.

 

[Gallagbi]

Honestly it was an overpayment but it is not as bad as you guys making it sounds.

Greb is solid but he really seem like a less skill and a lot more physical Engvall, who might be a bottom 6 players in the NHL or just might never make it. He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies. Leafs got a 4th and 6th, it is not too difficult for Leafs to draft another Greb.

The 1st is not a top 5 pick. It will most likely be early 20s even if the Leafs do their usually 7 games playoffs series to end the year.
If the Leafs advances it will be mid to late 20s.

So a player who projects to have the impact we're hoping to get from Laughton and a first on-top of it?

Seems high.

 

[LeafEgo]

Honestly it was an overpayment but it is not as bad as you guys making it sounds.

Greb is solid but he really seem like a less skill and a lot more physical Engvall, who might be a bottom 6 players in the NHL or just might never make it. He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies. Leafs got a 4th and 6th, it is not too difficult for Leafs to draft another Greb.

The 1st is not a top 5 pick. It will most likely be early 20s even if the Leafs do their usually 7 games playoffs series to end the year.
If the Leafs advances it will be mid to late 20s.

Picks for player trades are inherently unfair for the rebuilder.

The better way to size it up is, what quality of player should a contender get for a 1st and a b prospect, and how does that compare to Laughton? Because that's what our direct competition gets.

 

[Stephen]

Honestly it was an overpayment but it is not as bad as you guys making it sounds.

Greb is solid but he really seem like a less skill and a lot more physical Engvall, who might be a bottom 6 players in the NHL or just might never make it. He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies. Leafs got a 4th and 6th, it is not too difficult for Leafs to draft another Greb.

The 1st is not a top 5 pick. It will most likely be early 20s even if the Leafs do their usually 7 games playoffs series to end the year.
If the Leafs advances it will be mid to late 20s.

That mid to late 20s pick is still capable of yielding an Easton Cowan or a Callum Ritchie type prospect. It’s hardly chump change.

 

[Gabriel426]

Picks for player trades are inherently unfair for the rebuilder.

The better way to size it up is, what quality of player should a contender get for a 1st and a b prospect, and how does that compare to Laughton? Because that's what our direct competition gets.

Like I said, it was an overpayment but not as bad as some are making it to be.

I think Greb and the two picks coming back is a wash and Leafs might even be ahead if they draft normal.

1st for Laughton is an overpayment but with 50% retention and two playoffs run. I think it will be at least it needs a 2nd round pick even if Laughton is a bottom 6 player. And not a 3rd or a 4th.

 

[Gabriel426]

So a player who projects to have the impact we're hoping to get from Laughton and a first on-top of it?

Seems high.

Greb could be Lorentz which is a 4th liner.
He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies at this point.
And as I said, it was an overpayment but let’s not act like we traded McDavid for a 3rd liner.

 

[Gabriel426]

That mid to late 20s pick is still capable of yielding an Easton Cowan or a Callum Ritchie type prospect. It’s hardly chump change.

True but also guys like Goat or Carter Ashton.

 

[Stephen]

True but also guys like Goat or Carter Ashton.

Those bad picks don’t bust and devalue right away.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

The emotional attachment to Grebenkin is understandable. I liked him too. When you step back from it you realize who he is. I think too many are looking at what he might be. Some here even called him "blue chip." I hope one day he has an NHL career, but before the trade he probably wasn't even in TOR's top 8 in prospects. There was easily 7 players (Marlies) with more points than Grebenkin before he was traded.

I know it's an outdated GM saying, but the "team who's acquires the best player, wins the trade". I understand he started off badly, but Laughton is that player. Add the bonus: 50% retention, 4th round pick, and a 6th round pick; I think Toronto edges PHI here.

 

[Gallagbi]

Greb could be Lorentz which is a 4th liner.
He is more Matt Rempe than Matthew Knies at this point.
And as I said, it was an overpayment but let’s not act like we traded McDavid for a 3rd liner.

Nobody has acted like we dumped McDavid for a third liner

People do seem to be claiming it's a premium price for a middle tier asset

 

[Divine]

The emotional attachment to Grebenkin is understandable. I liked him too. When you step back from it you realize who he is. I think too many are looking at what he might be. Some here even called him "blue chip." I hope one day he has an NHL career, but before the trade he probably wasn't even in TOR's top 8 in prospects. There was easily 7 players with more points than Grebenkin before he was traded.

I know it's an outdated GM saying, but the "team who's acquires the best player, wins the trade". I understand he started off badly, but Laughton is that player. Add the bonus: 50% retention, 4th round pick, and a 6th round pick; I think Toronto edges PHI here.

I wouldn't mind Greb 1:1, although I'd still say no. The 1st round pick on top of that made that a massive overpayment. We got RoR for less than we got Laughton. If that was the going rate, just stay pat or find a 'lesser' player for a third round pick. Laughton hasn't brought much so far.

 

[Confucius]

The Flyers, who retained 50 per cent of his remaining US$3-million salary cap hit both this season and next, also shipped fourth- and six-round selections — in 2025 and 2027 — to Toronto. The first-rounder heading to the Flyers is top-10 protected.

Leafs still have the 6th. rounder in 2027, but the 4th. was useful in picking up Carlo.

Too bad, would have liked to see it used in the draft, but Leafs aren't looking at 2028 for success.

Want success in the next 3 years.

And in 2021, we weren’t looking for success in 2024
In 2022, we weren’t looking for success in 2025
In 2023 we weren’t looking for success in 2026

Never ends does it? Silly mgmt, I wonder if they run their personal lives the same way. All in now who cares about tomorrow. I will give you cash in hand now, you can party tonight, just sell me your future paycheck. lol! No wonder we are so successful.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Feels like Laughton is going to be the guy who has a few huge clutch goals in a deep playoff run. He isn't going to win us a series but I feel like he is scoring the goal that gets us into the ECF kinda thing

 

[Da Mash]

We shall see at the end of the playoffs. Just don’t hold your breath. We waited for others too just to be disappointed.

As of right now it’s one of the worst leafs trades in a long time and add it to the many bone head trades made at deadline by the leafs.

You could pluck several players off the marlies right now and you wouldn’t notice a drop off IMHO

quick question …..what does he do well at? Skating? passing? defensively responsible?

All I heard was ….great locker room guy

There was a guy called Reaves that had the same so called trait spewed out and management soon found out he just can’t play the game of hockey

Marleau did the same…etc

 

[Kiwi]

Didn't like the trade at the time and still don't but it's done and there's no changing that

Here's hoping Laughton plays well during the playoffs and helps us go on a long run

I'd be thrilled if he can turn it around and make me eat crow, winning would make it taste great

 

[Confucius]

Didn't like the trade at the time and still don't but it's done and there's no changing that

Here's hoping Laughton plays well during the playoffs and helps us go on a long run

I'd be thrilled if he can turn it around and make me eat crow, winning would make it taste great

For certain we can’t change what has been done, but if we complain loud enough it may stop similar moves in the future. However having said that, I’m pretty sure this mgmt team doesn’t care and it’s draft shmaf. Fletcher still around giving his advice..

 

[Gabriel426]

Those bad picks don’t bust and devalue right away.

What I am saying we don’t know.
Also it is not guarantee that the Leafs would have draft the same player in that spot too.

 

[Gabriel426]

Nobody has acted like we dumped McDavid for a third liner

People do seem to be claiming it's a premium price for a middle tier asset

I agree with that and I had been saying from the start. It is an overpayment but not as extreme as some are making it out to be.

Overall, I said this on TDL and I will say again, seems like Tre swing for the fences since if MM agreed to waive. Leafs might end up with Coyle(retention), Carlo and Rantanen(signed 12/7) for the same price they paid now plus MM.

Just so happened MM didn’t waive which is within his rights.