Confirmed with Link: Laughton (50% retention), a 4th and a 6th to the Leafs for a conditional 2027 1st round pick and Nikita Grebenkin

[1specter]

It's a bit awkward, as we have a number of players who aren't great defensively. Domi, Laughton, Nylander, even Robertson, and while normally pretty good, Matthews has really struggled at times this season, with whatever he is going through.

It's a real challenge to create lines when you have this situation, and you also have to demand more from these players.

I thought Laughton was acquired because of his 'two way' play at C though?

 

[ULF_55]

He's likely worth a second-rounder, with a sweetener added for salary retention, and no Grebenkin.

Mind you, I just like Grebenkin and probably over-value him.

At the TDL, maybe another B-prospect instead. Like . . . . Steeves? Niemela? Kokkonen? Nah. The Leafs don't really have a lot of good prospects thar anybody wants. Cowan, Danford, or bust now that Minten and even Grebenkin are gone. The cupboard is bare.

What would be he Leafs equivalent of this?

Brock Nelson was traded to the Colorado Avalanche by the New York Islanders on Thursday for defenseman Oliver Kylington, forward prospect Calum Ritchie, a conditional first-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft, and a conditional third-round pick in the 2028 NHL Draft.

Timmins/Myers, Cowan/Minten, 1st., 3rd.
For
Nelson and Dufour

Nelson a 3 month rental. Retained cost $3mm. Re-sign cost $6.7mm - projected

Laughton a 15 month rental. Retained cost $1.5mm. Re-sign cost $?

...
Leafs needed more than a 2nd. line center (which they didn't get), so I think they settled for a 3rd. line center to keep enough space and assets for Carlo.
...

We can't judge this after 2 games, but everyone knows Laughton isn't Nelson.

In the how much are you willing to spend, a small percentage said they were willing to pay for a 2nd. line center. The majority got what the wished for.

 

[banks]

It's not been good so far, and I was not happy with the trade originally. But I feel like some restraint is needed here. The guy deserves more than a couple games to get into a groove.

He's here for this year and next at a very reasonable cap hit. I think 2 games is too early to judge him. He could still end up a fan favorite.

I'll wait until the playoffs to make any judgement.

 

[ULF_55]

Look, I didn't want Laughton from the beginning, he was pretty low on my wish list. That being said, we need to stop having the patience of a gnat. The guy has played two games here, and it could take some time for him to settle in, learn a new system, and new teammates. We likely won't know his impact on our team for another ten games or so.

People seriously need to give their heads a shake here.

Leafs could have ended up with Carolina Rantanen.
Dallas looks like they got Colorado Rantanen.

 

[TMLAM34]

McMann - Laughton - Jarnkrok

Would really like that third line. Has a lot of speed, tenacity and two-way ability.

Not sure how the rest of the lines would shape out. Domi is an awkward fit. Not sure why he was re-signed if he’s not going to play with Matthews.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Laughton - Jarnkrok
Lorentz - Kampf - Holmberg

 

[Fogelhund]

I thought Laughton was acquired because of his 'two way' play at C though?

He's been a winger all year, as Torts didn't like him defensively at C. No question, he was known as a Two way guy earlier in his career, but his defensive side has been weakening for some time. He is still decent on the PK though, but 5v5 he isn't that good.

That was a known before the trade, and quite a few people (including myself) were vocal about it. The bottom line was we needed a 3C, and given the cost of others, he was the last man standing for a price we could afford. His cap hit is pretty low, so even if he doesn't work out at C long term, and we have to upgrade in the offseason, he does provide value for the cap hit.

Hopefully he plays just well enough to help us, and his physical style should help in the playoffs. With the right linemates, and a bit of work, we should be able to mask his warts... stapling Jarnkrok to him might not be a bad idea.

In the offseason, we probably need to move him to the wing, or even replace Kampf at 4C, with a cheaper cap hit.

McMann - Laughton - Jarnkrok

Would really like that third line. Has a lot of speed, tenacity and two-way ability.

Not sure how the rest of the lines would shape out. Domi is an awkward it. Not sure why he was re-signed if he’s not going to play with Matthews.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Laughton - Jarnkrok
Lorentz - Kampf - Holmberg

Ya, that's the type of third line we need. Domi/Robertson is a bit of a challenge. Part of the problem is that Matthews has struggled defensively with whatever he's going through as well at times. Putting Domi with him will only make it worse... If Matthews was healthy, I'd go with..

Knies Matthews Domi
Nylander Tavares Marner
McMann Laughton Jarnkrok
Lorentz Kampf Holmberg

I don't mind your lines either, keeping Robertson, or subbing Domi there, depending on who is working out well.

 

[leafs in five]

Leafs could have ended up with Carolina Rantanen.
Dallas looks like they got Colorado Rantanen.

the East is different

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs could have ended up with Carolina Rantanen.
Dallas looks like they got Colorado Rantanen.

Rantanen would have needed Marner here for success.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs could have ended up with Carolina Rantanen.
Dallas looks like they got Colorado Rantanen.

Rants would have been a nice piece, but ultimately it would have cost us the 1st, Knies and Marner. I don't think that makes us better long-term..

 

[ULF_55]

Rants would have been a nice piece, but ultimately it would have cost us the 1st, Knies and Marner. I don't think that makes us better long-term..

Either marner or Knies, 1st. prospect.

Not both.

marner isn't signing so never would have happened.

 

[Fogelhund]

Either marner or Knies, 1st. prospect.

Not both.

Big picture.

We obtain Rantanen, Marner walks as we couldn't extend both.

Under any assumption that Marner extends here, our choice was Marner + Knies + 1st, or Rantanen. The former is preferrable over the latter.

If it was Marner for extended Rantanen, you do that every day, all day... But that wasn't a choice.

 

[Fogelhund]

We should target Granlund in the offseason. He's not going to be extended in Dallas, as they don't have room, after doing the Rantanen deal.

A C core of Matthews Tavares Granlund Laughton/Kampf would be pretty solid. Pushing Laughton to the fourth line probably gives him a more favourable outcome, and we can move Kampf and save a bit of cap.

If he goes to UFA, I'd explore signing Chychrun, and moving on from Rielly.

 

[rumman]

Not sure, which team got a 2c, retained for a 1st in the 20's and a 2nd?

Treliving may just be a poor GM.

I’ve given Pizza Boy plenty of slack, but he’s made as many bad moves as he has good moves. I’m not convinced he us the GM this team needs, if they don’t go deep this year Pellet ought to do what’s been needed for years, axe Shanahan and let ghe new guy select the next GM……..

 

[The Shadow]

We should target Granlund in the offseason. He's not going to be extended in Dallas, as they don't have room, after doing the Rantanen deal.

A C core of Matthews Tavares Granlund Laughton/Kampf would be pretty solid. Pushing Laughton to the fourth line probably gives him a more favourable outcome, and we can move Kampf and save a bit of cap.

If he goes to UFA, I'd explore signing Chychrun, and moving on from Rielly.

I thought it read Chychrun was done with Canada

I would take a big swing and go after Dahlin. Buffalo just proved they will trade within their division. I think Dahlin is the franchise dman who is still far from his peak.

Every year that passes the more he will want out of that situation

 

[ULF_55]

Big picture.

We obtain Rantanen, Marner walks as we couldn't extend both.

Under any assumption that Marner extends here, our choice was Marner + Knies + 1st, or Rantanen. The former is preferrable over the latter.

If it was Marner for extended Rantanen, you do that every day, all day... But that wasn't a choice.

Dallas sent first- and third-round picks in the 2026 and 2027 draft, a first-round pick in the 2028 draft and forward prospect Logan Stankoven to Carolina in exchange for the elite winger.13

We could look at it this way:
Leafs
- Rantanen, Knies Cowan/Minten, and first
'Canes
- marner
(Rantanen and marner both extended)

or

Leafs
- Rantanen, marner - Leafs waive goodbye to Tavares. Domi disappears, don't need Knies extension money.
'Canes
- Knies, 1st. and Cowan/Minten/1st., 3rd.

IMO, Knies is a much better player than 5'8", 170 lb. Stankoven.
Now I've only watched a few Stars games, but statistically it isn't close.
I sure the heck wouldn't trade Knies for Stankoven and a 3rd. .

Carolina painted themselves into a corner.
First round picks likely in the 20's


Anyway, never happened ... and since this is Laughten thread, Leafs also got a 4th. and a 6th. rounder in the Laughten deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

Dallas sent first- and third-round picks in the 2026 and 2027 draft, a first-round pick in the 2028 draft and forward prospect Logan Stankoven to Carolina in exchange for the elite winger.13

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We could look at it this way:
Leafs
- Rantanen, Knies Cowan/Minten, and first
'Canes
- marner
(Rantanen and marner both extended)

or

Leafs
- Rantanen, marner - Leafs waive goodbye to Tavares. Domi disappears, don't need Knies extension money.
'Canes
- Knies, 1st. and Cowan/Minten/1st., 3rd.

IMO, Knies is a much better player than 5'8", 170 lb. Stankoven.
Now I've only watched a few Stars games, but statistically it isn't close.
I sure the heck wouldn't trade Knies for Stankoven and a 3rd. .

Carolina painted themselves into a corner.
First round picks likely in the 20's


Anyway, never happened ... and since this is Laughten thread, Leafs also got a 4th. and a 6th. rounder in the Laughten deal.

Maybe we could use a "Roster building" thread in the Sticky section??? To discuss this type of thing in general.

 

[Gabriel426]

I still don’t understand why Domi is with Laughton. I would put McMann-Laughton-Calle and run with that line. They got speed, play D and can chip in here and there

 

[Fogelhund]

I thought it read Chychrun was done with Canada

I would take a big swing and go after Dahlin. Buffalo just proved they will trade within their division. I think Dahlin is the franchise dman who is still far from his peak.

Every year that passes the more he will want out of that situation

Maybe Chychrun is done with Canada... I didn't read that, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. He'd probably be our best target, if he makes it to UFA.

Even if Dahlin was available, which I don't believe to be the case, we don't have the assets to trade for him.

 

[The Shadow]

Maybe Chychrun is done with Canada... I didn't read that, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. He'd probably be our best target, if he makes it to UFA.

Even if Dahlin was available, which I don't believe to be the case, we don't have the assets to trade for him.

Not yet but assets can be acquired or moved traded for. Also cap space is an asset which they will have plenty of if they so choose

 

[arso40]

I still don’t understand why Domi is with Laughton. I would put McMann-Laughton-Calle and run with that line. They got speed, play D and can chip in here and there

To do that would either put domi or Robertson on the second line and that should force robin to be moved off batmans line which Berube has an issue with doing

Not yet but assets can be acquired or moved traded for. Also cap space is an asset which they will have plenty of if they so choose

I would love dahlin trade AA Cowan niemela and a 1st with domi and kampf going the other way