HellasLEAF
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Didn't see the first game but this reaction to Laughton it's, a bit much. Flyers fans and management have a ton of respect for this guy. I dunno we'll see.
Confirmed with Link: Laughton (50% retention), a 4th and a 6th to the Leafs for a conditional 2027 1st round pick and Nikita Grebenkin
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?? Nelson, Cozens, Norris all got traded. Maybe they weren't realistic options for the Leafs but nobody was forcing Tre to pay 80% of the price for 50% of the return.
Stephen
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Scott Laughton has an average PPG of 0.40, which is about a 33 point scorer... which is basically a bad Kerfoot year, and about 6 points better than a great Kampf year. At 3C you can say yeah well his job isn't to score, etc. Add more bite, personality, give him credit for being versatile, well respected, high energy, whatever you want. Doesn't really move the needle in any meaningful way at best. It was an extremely heavy price.
ktownhockey
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Just Nelson, and you know... LOU probably was never doing that. Sad, but Laughton will be fine, we all just have to chill and see it play out. I agree with your sentiment. Kerfoot a touch more offence but Laughton will be a better playoff player IMO. We shall see.....
It's Tough to get chemistry and assignments at the forward position and we played Colorado .
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Wrong.
Laughton's correct PPG
2022/23 = 0.55 PPG = 45 points per 82
2023/24 = 0.47 PPG = 39 points per 82.
2024/25: 0.46 PPG = 36.9 points per 82
Total last 3 seasons = 0.49 PPG = 40.4 points per 82.
thusk
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What we paid is like 25 % of get a NHL player in like 6-7-8 years. Just watch draft between 21 tob 32, you will see 1 maybe 2 and if you're lucky 3 player and in an amaizing draft 4 on those 12 pick who will become good NHL player and 7-8-9-10-11 player who will become nothing or at best like a 4th line player or 6/7 th D. You can watch nhl draft history and will see it by yourself
It's not an overpayment, it's fan who actually overrating real 1st pick value, that's pretty different
100% chance to get a player who's gonna help you for 2 year at great salary cap vs 25% to get something one day and who's maybe be better, it's what it is in reality
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Stephen
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The Shadow
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Did they scout this guy before the trade?
Two things I’ve noticed - he often has one hand on his stick but really not hard on checks and also isn’t moving his feet
Just noticed he could have back checked and stolen a puck but had 1 hand on his stick and stopped skating
Two things I’ve noticed - he often has one hand on his stick but really not hard on checks and also isn’t moving his feet
Just noticed he could have back checked and stolen a puck but had 1 hand on his stick and stopped skating
MilkofthePoppy
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They wanted this bum for years. I never understood why. This guy is the definition of a fringe NHLer.
Brown Dog
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I can't believe they paid a 1st+ for this guy. As bad or worse than the Foligno deal after seeing him play.
Folignos Helmet
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He would be properly slotted as a 3LW. Which is why the payment is not the best.
They will do what Leafs do which is force him into a role he doesn’t fit and he won’t succeed.
Would have been better the add Coyle to the Carlo deal. But they probably couldn’t sort out the money.
They will do what Leafs do which is force him into a role he doesn’t fit and he won’t succeed.
Would have been better the add Coyle to the Carlo deal. But they probably couldn’t sort out the money.
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I think tre got desperate after all the big guns were gone
He needs to save him and Shanahan's job
He needs to save him and Shanahan's job
Stephen
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Yeah before the deadline I did put it out there that this guy isn't exactly a ROR, B. Schenn, Nelson guy and a 3C isn't exactly what our problem is. He's probably Adam Henrique the Oilers got last year.
He wasn’t as bad as game 1, where he was our worst player by far. But … he was still pretty bad. Did nothing with the puck, wasn’t physical, we frequently got hemmed into our own zone when he was out there (although that happened a lot for the team in general), and he took that dumb cross check penalty.
I’d say he was one of our worst players in game 2, though not the clear worst like game 1. It’s still very early, hopefully he can turn it around, but need to see way, way more.
I’d say he was one of our worst players in game 2, though not the clear worst like game 1. It’s still very early, hopefully he can turn it around, but need to see way, way more.
On the small positives, cuz his Game 1 was f'n atrocious - I will say, I loved his post-game interview, annnddd - in Utah's Game 2, I thought he had a really strong start to the game on that PK shift around the first 5 minute mark. Baby steps in hopes of something better to come.
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He is not a match with Domi. When the coaches figure this out, we’ll all be better off.
It's not neccessarily about what that 1st round pick might end up being in 5 years, it's about the currency value that a 1st round pick carries... although there is serious downside potential in that it could become a 2028 unprotected first.
1st Round Picks are the most common, universally accepted / valued, currency when it comes to making trades.
You want to go after one of the top fish in a deadline period? you better have a 1st available... Carlo, Walman, Gourde and Bjorkstrand, Jones, Marchand, Granlund, all garnered 1st round picks.
You want to go after a really big fish like Brock Nelson? you better have a 1st round plus a recently drafted 1st round pick.
You want to go after a huge fish like Mikko Rantanen? you better have multiple 1sts available.
Even looking back, Pettersson/O'Connor, JT Miller, David Jiricek all garnered 1st round picks.
Come this offseason, the Leafs may have to look at the trade market for filling out their forward group. It's hard to convince a team in summer 2025 or trade deadline 2026 to wait for a 2028 first rounder... it's part of the reason why it took both that 1st and Grebenkin to get Laughton.
The Carlo deal is hard to hate because the guy is a top 4, big right shot defenceman with a great contract that has 2 years left.
The Laughton deal, you've got a guy who's being brought in as a #3 centre, but isn't really a great #3c, and while useful, still leaves you thinking "we should probably consider upgrading our #3c".
Hey, fair enough, but I feel like using Laughton's last three seasons represents who he is as a player more accurately (and fairly), as using his rookie seasons, etc., doesn't represent the player he is now.
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All I know is that in free agency next year we should be signing multiple C and RD. They are always the most costly to trade for.
Wingers you can always add for cheap.
Wingers you can always add for cheap.
BobClarkesfrontteeth
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But here is the thing. As the Leaf's 3rd line center he will only see 5v5 time and PK time similar to Philly. while 33 points is not sexy here are the point totals for the last 4 stanley cup winning teams 3C.
Florida 35
Vegas 53
Colorado 33
Tampa 36
Pretty much in line with Laughton's production. As far as the price goes they traded a forward who right now cannot skate at an NHL level and a 1st that will be at the bottom of the draft in 2027 so not an extremely heavy price at 1.5 million in a cap hit. Alex Newhook Colorado's 3C cost a the 31 and 37th picks in the 2023 draft.
