Confirmed with Link: Laughton 50 Retention A 4th and A 6th to the Leafs for A Conditional 2027 1st Round Pick and Nikita Grebenkin

[Brown Dog]

Isn’t the pick in 2027? The impact of that pick is like 7+ years away. The leafs took a gamble
And it hasn’t paid off yet. I’m not going to pretend like I love the trade, but we need to wait for the dust to settle in the playoffs before judging. If this guy figures it out and can become a contributor in the playoffs that’s all that matters and the price will be worth it.

I think this is the wrong way to look at it. It's not who the pick would have become, it's the wasting of that valuable asset that could have been used in another way.

 

[Brown Dog]

To spend a high pick and a decent prospect on a guy who doesn't move the needle on Holmberg is pretty discouraging.

 

[The Shadow]

Put Laughton on Tavares’ wing, and you instantly get a 50-point player, in my opinion.

Laughton doesn’t fit with Domi or Robertson at all. He’s a cycle and board player who retrieves pucks and can finds players in the slot. Trying to pair him with two rush players like Robertson and Domi just doesn’t work. That’s not his game.

Instead, use him with Tavares and Marner. Let him play the puck retrieval role on that line and contribute in his strength. He can work the boards, cycle it with Tavares and help retrieve pucks for that line.

He’s not fast enough nor even close to skilled enough to hang with those guys. Have you watched the games ?

 

[The Shadow]

Briere right after Tre agreed to this trade

 

[TheShape]

To spend a high pick and a decent prospect on a guy who doesn't move the needle on Holmberg is pretty discouraging.

This has been my stance as well, by all means move the 1st but aim higher than Scott Laughton. I'd have rather kept an ELC Minten for that spot, packaged two 1sts instead for Carlo or added a different prospect.

 

[francis246]

I think this is the wrong way to look at it. It's not who the pick would have become, it's the wasting of that valuable asset that could have been used in another way.

What other way? It’s a protected first, if it doesn’t workout and Laughton sucks plus we suck, the pick is protected and it goes to 2028.

If there was a better deal available I’m sure they would have used the “valuable” asset elsewhere

 

[ruaware41]

What other way? It’s a protected first, if it doesn’t workout and Laughton sucks plus we suck, the pick is protected and it goes to 2028.

If there was a better deal available I’m sure they would have used the “valuable” asset elsewhere

The better deal was no deal in this situation. Don't have to force it because team cap Matty insists

 

[Jojalu]

One thing he does do is finish all his checks. Who knows? Maybe they are banking on Pacs coming back and those 2 play together and become a pretty tough line to play against.

They would be able to wear down some defensive pairings over the course of a series

 

[francis246]

The better deal was no deal in this situation. Don't have to force it because team cap Matty insists

Easy to say in hindsight honestly, and like I said earlier. It hasn’t had an ideal start but let’s see how he does in the playoffs. If he’s contributing and helping us win when it matters, no one will care what the price was

Additionally I don’t think GM’s really think of a protected first two years away as insane value IMO at the same value we as fans do. It was a gamble move for sure, jury is still out.

 

[The Shadow]

I can picture it now. A must win playoff game and tied in the 3rd. Laughton makes a bad play that results in a goal. I have a strong intuition that this is going to play out

 

[Kiwi]

Isn’t the pick in 2027? The impact of that pick is like 7+ years away. The leafs took a gamble
And it hasn’t paid off yet. I’m not going to pretend like I love the trade, but we need to wait for the dust to settle in the playoffs before judging. If this guy figures it out and can become a contributor in the playoffs that’s all that matters and the price will be worth it.

It's a 1st round pick and a prospect who's probably going to play in the NHL, that has value and limits what this team can do in the future

This trade was badly thought out and reeks of desperation, the guy wasn't playing at center and his underlying numbers ******* sucked long before he got here and I'm now supposed to be surprised when he clearly is better suited to the wing, can't score and isn't good enough defensively to play in a shut down role

This is a professional scouting failure, it was obvious at the time and I don't need "perhaps a miracle happens and he's actually useful come playoff time to form an opinion on his quite frankly useless ass

 

[PanniniClaus]

I can picture it now. A must win playoff game and tied in the 3rd. Laughton makes a bad play that results in a goal. I have a strong intuition that this is going to play out

I'm trying to control my emotions with this terrible trade. Love your avatar.. Trying to think happy thoughts.

 

[Confucius]

Easy to say in hindsight honestly, ‘and like I said earlier. It hasn’t had an ideal start but let’s see how he does in the playoffs. If he’s contributing and helping us win when it matters, no one will care what the price was

Additionally I don’t think GM’s really think of a protected first two years away as insane value IMO at the same value we as fans do. It was a gamble move for sure, jury is still out.

Some may use hindsight, most threw up as soon as we heard about it.

 

[The Shadow]

I'm trying to control my emotions with this terrible trade. Love your avatar.. Trying to think happy thoughts.

Thank you. That’s my wife. Froze her butt off for that pic

 

[francis246]

It's a 1st round pick and a prospect who's probably going to play in the NHL, that has value and limits what this team can do in the future

This trade was badly thought out and reeks of desperation, the guy wasn't playing at center and his underlying numbers ******* sucked long before he got here and I'm now supposed to be surprised when he clearly is better suited to the wing, can't score and isn't good enough defensively to play in a shut down role

This is a professional scouting failure, it was obvious at the time and I don't need "perhaps a miracle happens and he's actually useful come playoff time to form an opinion on his quite frankly useless ass

We don’t know how anything in the future is going to shape up, so as far as I’m concerned everything you’ve said is mumbo jumbo. You don’t have a crystal ball, he could be complete shite, he could be a rockstar, we don’t know. Also lots of first rounders bust, saying that they are going to play in the NHL is about as useless as me predicting im going to win the lottery in 2 years.

Also if you listen to his interviews and watch the blue print, there’s clearly a family element that’s going on behind the scenes and he’s talked about it openly. It’s been a tough transition for his family from Philly to Toronto, he’s never been traded before in his life and he mentions his wife had a hard time with the shock of the trade, give the guy sometime.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Did MLSE trade for this guy because he was a huge proponent of Pride night?

must be exhausting to go through life thinking like this

 

[Martin Skoula]

Additionally I don’t think GM’s really think of a protected first two years away as insane value IMO at the same value we as fans do. It was a gamble move for sure, jury is still out.

The point is we paid a premium asset to not solve a problem, we still have a hole at 3C and the line still has no identity other than whether Domi is feeling it that night or not. If you need a bottom 6 grinder, Tanev is better and went for a 2nd. If you need a 3C, Laughton isn’t one. If you need a speedy prime aged LW like Colorado/Vegas picked up Lehkonen/Barbashev, Zetterlund went for a 2nd + prospect.

Overpaying is the nature of the deadline, I don’t care about the 1st or Greb that much, it’s overpaying for someone that doesn’t solve a problem on the team and still needing to overpay again in the future to try to solve it going forward.

 

[Leafsfan74]

He just needs to find his game, so many fellow teammates and others have spoken highly of him, the expectations are probably on his mind. If Leafs had traded a 4th Rounder for him he might not feel the pressure. That isn't on him, he didn't give up the assets for his services, he doesn't need to carry the world or the team, just do your part. He needs to forget about anything but his next shift and consider himself as one man in a cog of a machine that should have one goal: A Cup

Foligno came in with the same massive expectations because we overpaid with a 1st Rounder for him. He is here for at least another year on a very good Cap price so he just has to play his game with the objective of accumulating wins.

I take solace in the repeated responses from the team, Matthews and Nylander in particular keep referring to the playoffs. All of this is window dressing until then.

He is just one player. He is making a fraction of what the big names make so he doesn't need to do anything but his part on whatever line he is on. Play with intention, hustle and sacrifice and he will be fine. He threw the most hits last night, THAT is a big contribution come playoffs. Huge. Try and build momentum each shift and find a groove, the team doesn't expect you to get points everynight, but if he and his linemates are taking the body, wearing down the opposition, that's a big part of playoff success.

Also, the inevitable will occur once playoffs start "it's a fresh start for guys who now have a new season to prove their value". This will be repeated for Reilly and other players as well, "fresh start" come April. Until then just build your game and momentum for the playoffs.

 

[Magic Man]

I will say that right now the management group is having a pretty successful run on free agent prospects. Haymes and Prokop rank well next to other FA options at their position. They seem to have hit on the one ELC they gave out last year at this time in Quillan. There are still several options on the FA market as well. Without a lot of high picks and high profile prospects, Toronto is an attractive option right now. They could still add a good prospect or two and really win this prospect free agent frenzy, which would mitigate the damage of the deadline trades.

Grebenkin was a physical beast and he could skate well. He may make the NHL on overwhelming physicality and an ability to keep up. But, his offense wasn't always there, I thought he would be more advanced in that area given his production in the KHL. He was a work in progress on the defensive side of the puck as well. Maybe it will all yet come together, but he isn't a guarantee for the NHL, I could see him having an Egor Korshkov styled hockey career, with a bit more time in North America.

Laughton has another year left on his contract that they can sell off and recoup or use for another run. How valuable, even after a poor run is Laughton at 750K? That is still highly valuable chip. The other thing to remember is Brandon Hagel came to Tampa and stunk things up in a similar styled trade with a contract of 1.5M per for multiple years. He had 7 points in 22 regular season games and then just 6 points in 23 playoff games, he was a complete non-factor after being acquired. He came back the next year and exploded and now he is signed there long term and he was a member of team Canada this season. Things can change with time. The fans are riding him pretty hard and he has never been traded before. Chances are he isn't a bad player and he is underperforming because of the pressure and he will figure it out with time.

 

[francis246]

The point is we paid a premium asset to not solve a problem, we still have a hole at 3C and the line still has no identity other than whether Domi is feeling it that night or not. If you need a bottom 6 grinder, Tanev is better and went for a 2nd. If you need a 3C, Laughton isn’t one. If you need a speedy prime aged LW like Colorado/Vegas picked up Lehkonen/Barbashev, Zetterlund went for a 2nd + prospect.

Overpaying is the nature of the deadline, I don’t care about the 1st or Greb that much, it’s overpaying for someone that doesn’t solve a problem on the team and still needing to overpay again in the future to try to solve it going forward.

There’s so many factors that go into it and I’m not going to pretend I know all the nuances. But I think Tanev went for picks this year right? Not 2 years from now, so that unprotected second rounder this year is probably more valuable to a team than a protected first two years from now. That’s the point I’m making, fans are all up in arms about it, but if you think about it logically I don’t think teams and or GM’s consider what we gave up as premium assets. Why would they trade for a protected first from Toronto in 2 years when they can get a 2nd this year bringing that potential player to the team sooner. I’m sure the leafs shopped this package around to other teams.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I will say that right now the management group is having a pretty successful run on free agent prospects. Haymes and Prokop rank well next to other FA options at their position. They seem to have hit on the one ELC they gave out last year at this time in Quillan. There are still several options on the FA market as well. Without a lot of high picks and high profile prospects, Toronto is an attractive option right now. They could still add a good prospect or two and really win this prospect free agent frenzy, which would mitigate the damage of the deadline trades.

Grebenkin was a physical beast and he could skate well. He may make the NHL on overwhelming physicality and an ability to keep up. But, his offense wasn't always there, I thought he would be more advanced in that area given his production in the KHL. He was a work in progress on the defensive side of the puck as well. Maybe it will all yet come together, but he isn't a guarantee for the NHL, I could see him having an Egor Korshkov styled hockey career, with a bit more time in North America.

Laughton has another year left on his contract that they can sell off and recoup or use for another run. How valuable, even after a poor run is Laughton at 750K? That is still highly valuable chip. The other thing to remember is Brandon Hagel came to Tampa and stunk things up in a similar styled trade with a contract of 1.5M per for multiple years. He had 7 points in 22 regular season games and then just 6 points in 23 playoff games, he was a complete non-factor after being acquired. He came back the next year and exploded and now he is signed there long term and he was a member of team Canada this season. Things can change with time. The fans are riding him pretty hard and he has never been traded before. Chances are he isn't a bad player and he is underperforming because of the pressure and he will figure it out with time.

Hagel’s 21 goals 37 points in 55 games at 23 the season he was traded would be far and away Laughton’s best season. He’s never even broken 20 goals in 82 games let alone 55. Hagel was visibly fast and has a great shot, even if he doesn’t score you can see he does a lot of things much better than average fillers. What skills is Laughton in the top half of the league at?

 

[notbias]

He just needs to find his game, so many fellow teammates and others have spoken highly of him, the expectations are probably on his mind. If Leafs had traded a 4th Rounder for him he might not feel the pressure. That isn't on him, he didn't give up the assets for his services, he doesn't need to carry the world or the team, just do your part. He needs to forget about anything but his next shift and consider himself as one man in a cog of a machine that should have one goal: A Cup

Foligno came in with the same massive expectations because we overpaid with a 1st Rounder for him. He is here for at least another year on a very good Cap price so he just has to play his game with the objective of accumulating wins.

I take solace in the repeated responses from the team, Matthews and Nylander in particular keep referring to the playoffs. All of this is window dressing until then.

He is just one player. He is making a fraction of what the big names make so he doesn't need to do anything but his part on whatever line he is on. Play with intention, hustle and sacrifice and he will be fine. He threw the most hits last night, THAT is a big contribution come playoffs. Huge. Try and build momentum each shift and find a groove, the team doesn't expect you to get points everynight, but if he and his linemates are taking the body, wearing down the opposition, that's a big part of playoff success.

Also, the inevitable will occur once playoffs start "it's a fresh start for guys who now have a new season to prove their value". This will be repeated for Reilly and other players as well, "fresh start" come April. Until then just build your game and momentum for the playoffs.

Grasping at straws here.

He has been terrible, he is better than what he has shown, but he is still not a game breaking player and if his best contribution is hits, dress Reaves.

 

[Kiwi]

We don’t know how anything in the future is going to shape up, so as far as I’m concerned everything you’ve said is mumbo jumbo. You don’t have a crystal ball, he could be complete shite, he could be a rockstar, we don’t know. Also lots of first rounders bust, saying that they are going to play in the NHL is about as useless as me predicting im going to win the lottery in 2 years.

Also if you listen to his interviews and watch the blue print, there’s clearly a family element that’s going on behind the scenes and he’s talked about it openly. It’s been a tough transition for his family from Philly to Toronto, he’s never been traded before in his life and he mentions his wife had a hard time with the shock of the trade, give the guy sometime.

Everything you just said is pointless crap

He was playing as a ******* wing, his underlying numbers were **** and this was at a place he was comfortable with and had been playing for years at

So now I'm supposed to believe he's a center who's underlying numbers will magically improve despite all the evidence to the contrary at both Philly and the Leafs because "crystal balls"

He was already **** long before he got here and anybody thinking he's going to be a difference maker or an actual center is delusional, even the Philly board is laughing about this **** house trade because unlike you and our pro scouts they actually knew what we were getting

 

[notbias]

I will say that right now the management group is having a pretty successful run on free agent prospects. Haymes and Prokop rank well next to other FA options at their position. They seem to have hit on the one ELC they gave out last year at this time in Quillan. There are still several options on the FA market as well. Without a lot of high picks and high profile prospects, Toronto is an attractive option right now. They could still add a good prospect or two and really win this prospect free agent frenzy, which would mitigate the damage of the deadline trades.

Grebenkin was a physical beast and he could skate well. He may make the NHL on overwhelming physicality and an ability to keep up. But, his offense wasn't always there, I thought he would be more advanced in that area given his production in the KHL. He was a work in progress on the defensive side of the puck as well. Maybe it will all yet come together, but he isn't a guarantee for the NHL, I could see him having an Egor Korshkov styled hockey career, with a bit more time in North America.

Laughton has another year left on his contract that they can sell off and recoup or use for another run. How valuable, even after a poor run is Laughton at 750K? That is still highly valuable chip. The other thing to remember is Brandon Hagel came to Tampa and stunk things up in a similar styled trade with a contract of 1.5M per for multiple years. He had 7 points in 22 regular season games and then just 6 points in 23 playoff games, he was a complete non-factor after being acquired. He came back the next year and exploded and now he is signed there long term and he was a member of team Canada this season. Things can change with time. The fans are riding him pretty hard and he has never been traded before. Chances are he isn't a bad player and he is underperforming because of the pressure and he will figure it out with time.

Greb is already more talented than Laughton is offensively... not sure it translates, but however bad you think Greb was offensively, he already was more skilled than Laughton.

Right now Laughton's game isn't translating to the NHL either, so not sure who would have been a better fit this year, but I think Greb likely is an NHLer at some point, even in a limited role, but that looks like what we traded for anyway.

Greb's most common linemates were Reaves and Dewar, he's shown flashes and is young, I don't like that we gave him up.

 

[Niagara Bill]

We needed a good 3rd line center. We all knew that.
We had Minten, who was not ready. Now gone.
We got Laughton, to make a significant difference like Brandon Schenn would have. The guy who will be a difference maker in a series because the other teams cannot match that.
We ponied up a first and cannot miss young player.
We went all in.
And we got...a guy that makes Kamph look valuable.
A total failure. He is a lifetime minus player.

EVEN TORTS LOOKED SATISFIED LAST NIGHT, when losing by 5. Torts response, Laughton is a great dressing room guy (see Reaves resume), the Leaf room has lots of leaders it will take him time. We wanted a player on the ice, not a guy to organize the golf tourney in May, we have those guys.