Latendresse benched again

[macleafs]

If you are saying Sutter is racist towards French Canadian's, then I guess the Montreal Canadians must be more because they didn't even keep him when he was playing his best hockey.

 

[baston]

Saying Sutter is racist is a dumb comment.

Sutter might not like Latendresse, but it has nothing to do with the fact that he is from Quebec.

 

[Roughneck]

That's right but now we have the best according to the views of a narrow-minded, one-dimensional hardliner.

And yet if the team wins gold, it is still the best team in the world.

That's right. Unless you’re the type (and some are) who don't mind be micromanaged by some hardliner you are going to be less motivated under a guy like Sutter. In Red Deer he can eventually build up a team of guys like that but to be so one-dimensional is bad for hockey and it would be especially bad if other coaches started adopting his style.

You still haven't said any coaches that are good for hockey, and you wont be able to name any coaches as successful as Sutter who haven't been micro-managing hardliners either. You like coaches that don't exist.

He's probably not that bad but don't give him any ideas just in case.

I think I should give this idea to Hockey Canada, it might make us even better, we've already sacrificed democracy and freedom by choosing Sutter to be coach of our junior team, why not make our national totalitarian regime official.

Nothing to me; he's is just so bad for Canadian hockey and for those who embrace individuality and diverseness.

Have you ever played a team sport? Or was the only hockey you've ever played in the backyard rinks

I'm sure you know the meaning of bias and it has just slipped your mind.

You still haven't defended your point, you said Sutter hates standout players, not just Q players, so why did he play Phaneuf and Weber so much? Why did he play Carter so much? Why is he playing Bourdon so much?

And yes many a Russian coaches have been worse or just as bad as Sutter.

So what kind of coaches do you like (some names would be nice).

 

[El_Scoobo]

Honestly, this thread should be closed. I'm surprised that with so many posts, so few actual valid points are being made.

Anybody who says that Sutter is "racist" is being disrespectful to people who ACTUALLY are affected by racism or a racist act and these posts are just diminishing them. Very disrespectful imo.

Its a bloody hockey team for heaven's sakes.

Sutter more repressive than old Russian coaches???? Wow!! I'm sure Tarasov would have something to say about that!!

 

[Ice]

And yet if the team wins gold, it is still the best team in the world.


You still haven't said any coaches that are good for hockey, and you wont be able to name any coaches as successful as Sutter who haven't been micro-managing hardliners either. You like coaches that don't exist.

As I said, in Red Deer he can eventually mould a team to his liking and send a big fu to any player that comes on his team who dares to be an individual or who is a finesse player instead of a grinder for instance. It can be successful but it is unfair to other types of players and it would be disastrous if his style got widely applied across Canada.

You still haven't defended your point, you said Sutter hates standout players, not just Q players, so why did he play Phaneuf and Weber so much? Why did he play Carter so much? Why is he playing Bourdon so much?

They are just great players and the consummate Sutter grinders. Do you suppose it is just a coincidence that Phaneuf is becoming a standout now that he's away from the general?

So what kind of coaches do you like (some names would be nice).

I'll grant that Sutter's style can be successful though not overly so. Sutter cannot be judged at all from last year's results but he can be on this year's. My favourite hockey of the year is ruined for me this year because I believe for the good of Canadian hockey I have to hope that Canada does not win. Anything can happen but Canada has not been overly impressive yet and are lucky to be 4-0. It does not seem like a very inspired team this year either.

What coaches do I like better than Sutter? It would be far easier for me to answer what coaches I like less than Sutter and here is that list:

Okay I'll name one that I like. I think Gretzky's midas touch will continue into coaching.

 

[macleafs]

As I said, in Red Deer he can eventually mould a team to his liking and send a big fu to any player that comes on his team who dares to be an individual or who is a finesse player instead of a grinder for instance. It can be successful but it is unfair to other types of players and it would be disastrous if his style got widely applied across Canada.




They are just great players and the consummate Sutter grinders. Do you suppose it is just a coincidence that Phaneuf is becoming a standout now that he's away from the general?



I'll grant that Sutter's style can be successful though not overly so. Sutter cannot be judged at all from last year's results but he can be on this year's. My favourite hockey of the year is ruined for me this year because I believe for the good of Canadian hockey I have to hope that Canada does not win. Anything can happen but Canada has not been overly impressive yet and are lucky to be 4-0. It does not seem like a very inspired team this year either.

What coaches do I like better than Sutter? It would be far easier for me to answer what coaches I like less than Sutter and here is that list:

Okay I'll name one that I like. I think Gretzky's midas touch will continue into coaching.

Phaneuf has been a standout for roughly three years now.

 

[baston]

Ohhhhh well. Anyone watching TSN right now?
Latendresse won't play in semi-finals ....



So, Latendresse doesn't have anything to do to play besides hoping someone gets hurt or sucks so much Sutter stop "feeling that way about things".

Yep, the kid is right, he didn't have his chance.

 

[macleafs]

Ohhhhh well. Anyone watching TSN right now?
Latendresse won't play in semi-finals ....



So, Latendresse doesn't have anything to do to play besides hoping someone gets hurt or sucks so much Sutter stop "feeling that way about things".

Yep, the kid is right, he didn't have his chance.

Who do you take out to put Lats in?

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Who do you take out to put Lats in?

Nobody 5 on 5. I am not sure anyone on the first two PP units are untouchable. I like Bolland the most, Cogliano can make a play, Boyd can get around the net. Its up in the air after that.

 

[baston]

Latendresse could easily play the role filled by guys like Bertram or Pyatt while bringing another aspect that these guys can't bring, but if you don't want to break the chemistry, use him on the powerplay!

Latendresse is a big time physical presence and a natural scorer. He might have been overweight, too cute, whatever, but one thing is sure, Sutter ain't benching him because he sucked in games because :

1 - He played about 2 shifts per game
2 - When he was on the ice, he actually wasn't that bad and delivered big hits.

Now, I was so happy when tsn asked Sutter why is Latendresse benching. I would have accepted anything, really. "Oh, we don't like what we see from him in practice". "Oh, we don't like his attitude". Ohhh, he needs to shot more". Really anything.

But, "it's just the way I feel about things" and "his game is ok, he doesn't have anything to do because I like my lines and can't break the chemistry" doesn't do it for me.

Anyway, now, it doesn't really matter anymore. The team is doing wel;, let's hope they win. Sutter screwed Latendresse, but the kid will have the chance to show everyone what he can do during his NHL career.

Some people don't fit in these small tournament teams, and it's too bad, but I guess we need to get over it. As Mckenzie said, Lemieux and Lecavalier didn't do great and didn't have a lot of ice time neither, but they were still first picks. Sorry if my examples are from Quebec. I'm sure there are plenty of other great players that didn't play a lot in the WJC from other provinces. I'm just using Mckenzie's example. I am, in no way, saying that Hockey Canada is racist.

Just want to make it clear before somebody sais "another quebecer whining about quebec players"

Anyways. It's sad for the kid, but life is unfair, especially in hockey. Skills and energy doesn't seem to do it for Guillaume. Let's hope the Habs won't screw him like they screw every rookie they have ... there's a limit to what a kid's confidence can take.

 

[ZombieMatt]

I think it's fairly clear that Ice has some sort of personal bias against Brent Sutter. Perhaps his kid was cut from a team or something. I don't know, but I don't think it's fairly obvious to everyone else there is some sort of deep rooted personal conflict that there that has killed rationality.

Ice, you have yet to provide evidence to support a single one of your ludicrous claims. When asked for proof you ignore it. When presented with the facts you attempt to pass them off as irrelevant, simply because they empiracally disprove your misconception.

I think that you simply don't understand the game. Furthermore, you seem to consistently be insinuating through your commentary about how Sutter stifles creativity and standout players, and you also seem to be trying to say that Sutter doesn't like francophones as well. Of course, you're ignoring the evidence, such as Patrice Bergeron's big role on last year's team, and Luc Bourdon this year, but as least you're consistent in ignoring reality.

I'm willing to bet that you think Sutter hates anybody of racial diversity as well.

You keep trying to say Red Deer has never had a standout player and it's as if Sutter benches top players. You do realize that Dion Phaneuf WAS a WHL star. He hasn't "developed" into a standout player in the NHL, once he left Sutter's coaching. He has been a star for many years, whether it be in the WHL, WJC or NHL.

Canada had plenty of great WJC rosters from 1998-2004 and not one of them got the best out of their team or won the gold medal. Brent Sutter did both and has, to date, done the same with this year's team. That is the job of a coach, and Sutter has done it better than anybody in recent history that Team Canada has had behind the bench.

 

[Dogbert*]

Great move by Sutter. Not only has Latendresse been God-awful in the WJCs, but he's also been just as bad with Drummondville since his demotion by the Canadiens.

For those who are surprised that people are accusing Sutter of being racist against Quebecers... well, you've never lived in Quebec, have you? You'd be used to this if you had. If Quebecers do not make up the vast majority of a Canadian hockey team or are not awarded near 100% of the ice time, the coach is automatically branded a racist and anti-French.

 

[VanNistelrooy]

2005-06 Drummondville Voltigeurs QMJHL 26 22 19 41

41 points in 26 games.

Well, I would like to be just as God-awful as GL could be.

 

[baston]

Great move by Sutter. Not only has Latendresse been God-awful in the WJCs, but he's also been just as bad with Drummondville since his demotion by the Canadiens.

For those who are surprised that people are accusing Sutter of being racist against Quebecers... well, you've never lived in Quebec, have you? You'd be used to this if you had. If Quebecers do not make up the vast majority of a Canadian hockey team or are not awarded near 100% of the ice time, the coach is automatically branded a racist and anti-French.

Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we go again.

 

[Ice]

Ice, you have yet to provide evidence to support a single one of your ludicrous claims. When asked for proof you ignore it. When presented with the facts you attempt to pass them off as irrelevant, simply because they empiracally disprove your misconception.

I tried to explain things to you but you refuse to see or even consider.

Furthermore, you seem to consistently be insinuating through your commentary about how Sutter stifles creativity and standout players, and you also seem to be trying to say that Sutter doesn't like francophones as well. Of course, you're ignoring the evidence, such as Patrice Bergeron's big role on last year's team, and Luc Bourdon this year, but as least you're consistent in ignoring reality.

Luc Bourdon is from New Brunswick. Again, when Bergeron and Crosby started running away the tournament on and off the ice last year Sutter started putting Bergeron out on every penalty kill to lesson the Bergeron/Crosby ice time. This despite their line being an absolute scoring machine during the prelims. Sutter also kept switching the 3rd player on their line to throw them off. Then he even started benching Crosby for no reason, enough that some the announcers were wondering what Crosby did to fall out of the Sutter's favour.

Any descent coach would have left Bergeron,Crosby and Perry together for the entire tournament and not squandered one minute of their ice time by putting them on penalty kills. I can't imagine how this line would have tore up the tournament if that was done.

I'm willing to bet that you think Sutter hates anybody of racial diversity as well.

I wonder why you would bring that up, perhaps because it is a common trait among his type? I don't know but your guess is a good as mine.

You keep trying to say Red Deer has never had a standout player and it's as if Sutter benches top players. You do realize that Dion Phaneuf WAS a WHL star. He hasn't "developed" into a standout player in the NHL, once he left Sutter's coaching. He has been a star for many years, whether it be in the WHL, WJC or NHL.

Phaneuf was just a damn fine player but he was not a standout and this was evidenced him being totally overshadowed at last year's world juniors. Phaneuf is only now becoming a standout.

Canada had plenty of great WJC rosters from 1998-2004 and not one of them got the best out of their team or won the gold medal.

Do you think any of those coaches from those years wouldn't have won with last year's team?

 

[Transported Upstater]

Luc Bourdon is from New Brunswick.

Maybe so, but from a predominantly french-speaking region.

 

[baston]

Phaneuf was just a damn fine player but he was not a standout and this was evidenced him being totally overshadowed at last year's world juniors. Phaneuf is only now becoming a standout.

Whaaaaat?

 

[Sammy*]

Luc Bourdon is from New Brunswick. Again, when Bergeron and Crosby started running away the tournament on and off the ice last year Sutter started putting Bergeron out on every penalty kill to lesson the Bergeron/Crosby ice time. This despite their line being an absolute scoring machine during the prelims. Sutter also kept switching the 3rd player on their line to throw them off. Then he even started benching Crosby for no reason, enough that some the announcers were wondering what Crosby did to fall out of the Sutter's favour.
BS. Crosby never got benched & the announcers were not saying that. Btw, Oliver Stone, is that you?
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Phaneuf was just a damn fine player but he was not a standout and this was evidenced him being totally overshadowed at last year's world juniors. Phaneuf is only now becoming a standout.

You really should get some professional help to deal with your rage & delusions.

 

[Transported Upstater]

You really should get some professional help to deal with your rage & delusions.

It worked for me! The voices in my head only come out at night!

 

[Ice]

Whaaaaat?

Okay then, I didn't realize that Phaneuf overshadowed Crosby and Bergeron at last year's juniors. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[Ice]

BS. Crosby never got benched & the announcers were not saying that. Btw, Oliver Stone, is that you?

You really should get some professional help to deal with your rage & delusions.

You didn't watch the tournament, or you have a poor memory or you need the help because it happened. Not much but enough that the announcers talked about it and even asked Crosby about it.

 

[baston]

Phaneuf was the best defenseman I saw in that tournament since... since I don't know!

 

[macleafs]

I tried to explain things to you but you refuse to see or even consider.

So what you are saying is Sutter hates Quebec and the only reason why Bourdon is on the team is because he is from New Brunswick. Than you say Sutter played Bergeron on the PK to give Crosby less ice time. I thought he wanted to take away ice time from Quebecers. Bergeron is a great player and one of Canada's best penatly killers last year so Sutter should have not used him in that role.

Luc Bourdon is from New Brunswick. Again, when Bergeron and Crosby started running away the tournament on and off the ice last year Sutter started putting Bergeron out on every penalty kill to lesson the Bergeron/Crosby ice time. This despite their line being an absolute scoring machine during the prelims. Sutter also kept switching the 3rd player on their line to throw them off. Then he even started benching Crosby for no reason, enough that some the announcers were wondering what Crosby did to fall out of the Sutter's favour.

Any descent coach would have left Bergeron,Crosby and Perry together for the entire tournament and not squandered one minute of their ice time by putting them on penalty kills. I can't imagine how this line would have tore up the tournament if that was done.



I wonder why you would bring that up, perhaps because it is a common trait among his type? I don't know but your guess is a good as mine.



Phaneuf was just a damn fine player but he was not a standout and this was evidenced him being totally overshadowed at last year's world juniors. Phaneuf is only now becoming a standout.



Do you think any of those coaches from those years wouldn't have won with last year's team?

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[Sammy*]

Okay then, I didn't realize that Phaneuf overshadowed Crosby and Bergeron at last year's juniors. Thanks for clearing that up

First you say that Crosby is minmized by the coaching of Sutter. Then you say Phaneuf was not a standout. Then you say (implicitly) that Crosby overshadowed Phaneuf, presumably cause of his great play (along with Bergeron).
Keep em coming. You are good (really good actually) for a laugh.

 

[Sammy*]

You didn't watch the tournament, or you have a poor memory or you need the help because it happened. Not much but enough that the announcers talked about it and even asked Crosby about it.

Yeah ok buddy. Again go get some help.
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