Last time we won a trade?

allsilverdreams

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This should pisss a few people off. I can't remember when we actually won a trade. 3 of our big name players that we traded actually went on to win a CUP. While we wait for our prices to mature or make the NHL.
It's been awhile. Maybe 14 years 🤔🤔🤔
 

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I get the sentiment but the hyperbole is a bit much, wouldn't you say? And not every trade has to be a "win" by one side or the other.
Feels like an awful lot of them have been clear wins one way that isn’t this one.

No need to apply a worldwide aggregate to a specific case of failure after failure.
 
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This should pisss a few people off. I can't remember when we actually won a trade. 3 of our big name players that we traded actually went on to win a CUP. While we wait for our prices to mature or make the NHL.
It's been awhile. Maybe 14 years 🤔🤔🤔
Any time you are giving up the best player, you “lose” the trade. Quantity seldom makes up for quality. The only caveat is when you deal a quality surplus for someone else’s quality surplus. I believe that is why Van is reluctant to move EP40. Can’t get enough back to justify it. It only makes sense when you are committing to an overhaul of your roster in style of play, i.e. finesse scoring to physical defense etc. winning and losing trades is somewhat meaningless without a vision for what you want your roster to look like and play like.
 
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Jordan Greenway for 2nd, 5th
Jokiharju for Nylander
Tage for Ryan O'Reilly, (long term worked out for us as a win)
1st, 2nd, Hagg for Risto.

actually if you look at the history of our trades :

The big miss was Reinhart..

other then that most of or trades were 'Meh'
Even Reinhart was not a miss - the miss was not resigning him. He went for a good prospect and a 1 that actually is a very good prospect. For an expiring RFA, that is normal compensation. Look at what buchnevich got in return in a very similar situation ( 2+ Sammy blais) and our return looks quite good.

Back to the OP - I totally disagree with your sentiment. When is the last trade we obviously lost? Eichel did not want to play here anymore and we got good value. Beck was an overpay but did we need that free 2 that we used on him?

We have not obviously lost many trades recently, but we have mismanaged the team… They lead to those trades. That is the failure not trade themselves.
 

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Even Reinhart was not a miss - the miss was not resigning him. He went for a good prospect and a 1 that actually is a very good prospect. For an expiring RFA, that is normal compensation. Look at what buchnevich got in return in a very similar situation ( 2+ Sammy blais) and our return looks quite good.

Back to the OP - I totally disagree with your sentiment. When is the last trade we obviously lost? Eichel did not want to play here anymore and we got good value. Beck was an overpay but did we need that free 2 that we used on him?

We have not obviously lost many trades recently, but we have mismanaged the team… They lead to those trades. That is the failure not trade themselves.
Wouldn't it have been better to trade two 2nd for top 4 RD Marino than to use one of those 2nd for Malenstyn? We also had Robinson who could have been re-signed or found a similar guy in UFA. Adams is a terrible GM who doesn't understand how to properly build a team.
 
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Wouldn't it have been better to trade two 2nd for top 4 RD Marino than to use one of those 2nd for Malenstyn? We also had Robinson who could have been re-signed or found a similar guy in UFA. Adams is a terrible GM who doesn't understand how to properly build a team.
You’re making my exact point - yes it would have been better. That’s not losing trades it’s making the wrong ones
 

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Jordan Greenway for 2nd, 5th
Jokiharju for Nylander
Tage for Ryan O'Reilly, (long term worked out for us as a win)
1st, 2nd, Hagg for Risto.

actually if you look at the history of our trades :

The big miss was Reinhart..

other then that most of or trades were 'Meh'

That trade tracker has stopped being updated, just as an Fyi. It's a good source for the time covered, but the updates haven't been happening in a bit.
 

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Unpopular with some but in a vacuum, Byram is outproducing Mittelstadt at 5-on-5, where most of the game is played, not just in raw scoring totals but also in terms of shots and chances for and against. The problem is trying to measure deals as wins and loses in the short run. For a time, excising Eichel for energetic players who wanted to be in Buffalo was a big part of their resurgence under Granato. Now? People hate Krebs like he kicked their dog while he was groping their mom and rage about Tuch's inability to be more than he is.
 

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Unpopular with some but in a vacuum, Byram is outproducing Mittelstadt at 5-on-5, where most of the game is played, not just in raw scoring totals but also in terms of shots and chances for and against. The problem is trying to measure deals as wins and loses in the short run. For a time, excising Eichel for energetic players who wanted to be in Buffalo was a big part of their resurgence under Granato. Now? People hate Krebs like he kicked their dog while he was groping their mom and rage about Tuch's inability to be more than he is.
Well said on both parts. I think we won the Byram trade in a vacuum. We didn’t need him per say but he has more trade value. Also I am with you on Krebs, he plays hard and with a bit of grit. He rarely takes a shift off if at all.
 
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Unpopular with some but in a vacuum, Byram is outproducing Mittelstadt at 5-on-5, where most of the game is played, not just in raw scoring totals but also in terms of shots and chances for and against. The problem is trying to measure deals as wins and loses in the short run. For a time, excising Eichel for energetic players who wanted to be in Buffalo was a big part of their resurgence under Granato. Now? People hate Krebs like he kicked their dog while he was groping their mom and rage about Tuch's inability to be more than he is.
As I said before, Krebs along with Benson and Kulich would have been my choices to be on the ice for the last 20 seconds of the Avalanche game because of their effort.
 

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Well said on both parts. I think we won the Byram trade in a vacuum. We didn’t need him per say but he has more trade value. Also I am with you on Krebs, he plays hard and with a bit of grit. He rarely takes a shift off if at all.

Regarding Krebs: I get the hate - he still lets fly those backhand pass attempts within 10' of either side of either blueline that just have me jumping out of my seat in frustration - and I get the appreciation for doing what others do not.

Someone here mentioned the Pu for Skinner deal. Is it fair to assess that as just "some mid-round picks and a prospect who failed out fast" or do we put weight into the picks being used on Kotchetkov (the Cane's current goalie of the near future and already on the team) and Nikishin (widely regarded by many prospect followers as the best pro defenseman outside of the NHL)? I remember people being both up and down on the Paul Cyr for Mike Donnelly deal years ago but the push after the fact was the pick acquired was used on Alex Mogilny. Or the Mogilny deal - people were upset that they got Peca who was not at all an offensively impressive player who'd broken in with Vancouver on RW - and he crushed it in Vancouver compared to scoring totals in Buffalo. But the parts of that deal were the bedrock of the Hasek Conference Final and Cup Final teams because they used the pieces of it to acquire McKee and Warrener and of course Muckler knew that Peca was the sort of leader they needed up front.
 

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I think Risto for Rosen and Wahlburg is the only clear win under Adams. Even if they don't turn into anything, I'd still say it's a win. 2 magic beans for a pile of garbage is a win even if the beans don't sprout.

Botterill won the Joki and Montour trades.

Murray won the RoR trade.

I won't personally count any of the Eichel, Reinhart, or RoR trade aways as a win unless we win a cup with the players acquired. I don't care that Tage turned out way better than expected, unless it actually translates to team success.
 

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Unpopular with some but in a vacuum, Byram is outproducing Mittelstadt at 5-on-5, where most of the game is played, not just in raw scoring totals but also in terms of shots and chances for and against. The problem is trying to measure deals as wins and loses in the short run. For a time, excising Eichel for energetic players who wanted to be in Buffalo was a big part of their resurgence under Granato. Now? People hate Krebs like he kicked their dog while he was groping their mom and rage about Tuch's inability to be more than he is.
I was high on Krebs but can't fathom the idea of being angry at him I understand wanting to upgrade him but it's not like he is a bad hockey player just not the 50 point two guy we wanted and he is still very young and as for tuch he has been a major bright spot people are getting mad at the players for not being Mackinnon, McDavid or kucherov TT and Thompson are both top line players and zucker found life again with us playing in a bigger role rather than being a bottom six guy and the 4th line plays hard we are one of the youngest teams and the reason we are dropping games again is due to inexperience and that doesn't magically happen in a year, it takes at least 4 to truly get confident in what you are doing especially at the NHL level. The young guys need to loosen the grip on their stick and remove themselves from the pressure of the 13 year drought it sucks I know, but the young guys inherited the orgs baggage and embraced the struggle to be the solution they underestimated how bad it was but with us harping and demanding this guy and that guy need to be moved dampens the morale and affects the mental space they need to shut the media and the fans out and opt out of the interviews and just focus on hockey and for the love of God please skip lockerroom cleanouts because at this rate the frustration and self doubt is starting to bubble out and it shows on the ice at times.
 

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I think Risto for Rosen and Wahlburg is the only clear win under Adams. Even if they don't turn into anything, I'd still say it's a win. 2 magic beans for a pile of garbage is a win even if the beans don't sprout.

Botterill won the Joki and Montour trades.

Murray won the RoR trade.

I won't personally count any of the Eichel, Reinhart, or RoR trade aways as a win unless we win a cup with the players acquired. I don't care that Tage turned out way better than expected, unless it actually translates to team success.

All of this and probably the Skinner trade pretty much sums up the answer.
 

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