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WarriorofTime said:
they got their first ever back to back U20s just this year, so a bit premature to say "will probably ever have", the trend has overwhelmingly been towards a closing of gap between two countries and separation from rest, a couple even games and ending in an ot in the first ever time playing at this level in 11 years probably doesn't necessarily change that. sure if this becomes an every 2 year thing rotating between olympics and this and they lose like 5 more in a row, yeah then maybe it just never comes to be, but there's not enough sample on current gen to think an alarm bell would have any reason to be raised unless people are just getting silly
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Yea the US has won 3 of the last 5 wjc including back to back. The next gen is looking strong. Hockey is growing rapidly in the US.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
Yea the US has won 3 of the last 5 wjc including back to back. The next gen is looking strong. Hockey is growing rapidly in the US.
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The WJC honestly isn't as key an indicator of future tournament wins, nothing came of the US world junior wins in 2004, 2010 and 2013 for example it never translated into any win at mens level so I wouldn't really read too much into it, end of the day its a tournament for teenagers. The US is still in a massive 30 year drought for any sort of win at mens level.
 
Peiskos said:
The WJC honestly isn't as key an indicator of future tournament wins, nothing came of the US world junior wins in 2004, 2010 and 2013 for example it never translated into any win at mens level so I wouldn't really read too much into it, end of the day its a tournament for teenagers. The US is still in a massive 30 year drought for any sort of win at mens level.
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% of nhl players that are American has doubled since 1996. Went from 15% of the league to now 30% of the league. And still growing. Wins will come as long as hockey continues to grow in the US.
 
WarriorofTime said:
Well yeah there was no best on best for a decade.
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I'm talking about the 2003 world juniors, nothing from that team helped the US at the 2004 World Cup, 2006 Olympics, the 2010 Olympics or 2014 Olympics, same as the 2010 and 2013 US world junior team, nobody from there helped the US at the 2014 Sochi Olympics or the 2016 World Cup. Those were all best vs best.

Luigi Lemieux said:
% of nhl players that are American has doubled since 1996. Went from 15% of the league to now 30% of the league. And still growing. Wins will come as long as hockey continues to grow in the US.
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Percentage honestly doesn't matter, you can only ice 20 some guys for a team and as long as Canada can draw 20 some guys that's all that matters. Percentage of players in the NHL is irrelevant, look at how much more international success countries like Sweden and Finland have had vs the US and they have even less NHL %.
 
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Peiskos said:
I'm talking about the 2003 world juniors, nothing from that team helped the US at the 2004 World Cup, 2006 Olympics, the 2010 Olympics or 2014 Olympics, same as the 2010 and 2013 US world junior team, nobody from there helped the US at the 2014 Sochi Olympics or the 2016 World Cup. Those were all best vs best.
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What a single one off victory that was followed by a string of five straight Canadian victories was followed with an Olympic ot gold medal game win for Canada. The lack of predictive power point seems weaker than perhaps you originally anticipated….
 
Peiskos said:
I'm talking about the 2003 world juniors, nothing from that team helped the US at the 2004 World Cup, 2006 Olympics, the 2010 Olympics or 2014 Olympics, same as the 2010 and 2013 US world junior team, nobody from there helped the US at the 2014 Sochi Olympics or the 2016 World Cup. Those were all best vs best.



Percentage honestly doesn't matter, you can only ice 20 some guys for a team and as long as Canada can draw 20 some guys that's all that matters. Percentage of players in the NHL is irrelevant, look at how much more international success countries like Sweden and Finland have had vs the US and they have even less NHL %.
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It matters, more players you produce the more elite players you'll produce. Look at the US Canada games now, they're basically a coin flip. A far cry from 20 years ago. US continues to improve, wins will come.
 
Divine said:
The last best on best tournament they won was the 1996 World Cup of Hockey.

Sweden, Russia, Canada, Finland have all won things since then. It's been a while.
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Neither Russia nor Finland have won a best on best tournament since then.

Canada has won World Cup x2 and Olympic Gold x3. Czech Republic and Sweden each have Olympic gold.

USA/Fin/Rus have no gold medals or World Cup wins in that time.
 
S E P H said:
Knowing and thinking everyone is nice, means you live in a world of arrogance. Humble people don't say they are humble like alpha men don't say they are alpha. They show it.
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WarriorofTime said:
Most Medals and Most Gold Medals at like every Summer Olympics. And Track & Field is a thing for guys that have bad hands.


Biggest sporting league in the world, and it's not even close. The next two are also American sporting leagues.

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USA goes hard in the sports it cares the most about. A little silly to compare a sport like Ice Hockey which is extremely niche on a global scale and either doesn't exist at all or only exists at what is essentially a house league that feeds into a men's league level in most of the notable sporting countries, to something like Basketball which has a very active presence in much of the world.
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Yeah but American fotball is a bit of a niche sports outside of America. not 1 european or asian know who tom is for example.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
It matters, more players you produce the more elite players you'll produce. Look at the US Canada games now, they're basically a coin flip. A far cry from 20 years ago. US continues to improve, wins will come.
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This looks more than a coin flip, it doesn't look like a coincidence to me.
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Signupnow said:
Yeah but American fotball is a bit of a niche sports outside of America. not 1 european or asian know who tom is for example.
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Sure and soccer is a bit of a niche sport in America and something like cricket is even less than that. Different places obviously care more about different things.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
I'm talking about now though with the coin flip, as in this tournament and moving forward. They're very close in quality. Your picture only proves my point, they have been historically far behind Canada and have improved significantly.
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Improvement is actual results though, an empty trophy case since 1996 isn't progress. Until there is a trophy I fail to see, international hockey is very much a what have you done for me lately kind of thing.
 
Peiskos said:
Improvement is actual results though, an empty trophy case since 1996 isn't progress. Until there is a trophy I fail to see, international hockey is very much a what have you done for me lately kind of thing.
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If you don't think that US hockey has improved then you're blinded by bias and there's not much to discuss.
 
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