Movies: Last Movie You Watched and Rate It | Part#: Some High Number +2

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Just admit that it's because you were getting tired of us giving you ****. ;-)

But hey, no matter the journey, it's great that you now watch more diverse stuff. Doesn't mean you will enjoy the basic stuff less, but it adds to your range of expectations and you can enjoy it "better".

100% agree with you. I am certainly glad I branched out with my movie watching. Like you said.. it hasn't hindered my enjoyment of less basic stuff, but the range of different things give you different experiences, emotions, expectations, etc.

Now the next thing on the list would be for people to convince me to get interested in horror films

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Now the next thing on the list would be for people to convince me to get interested in horror films

There certainly are a few great horror films (The Shining of course, but also stuff like Antichrist, Don't Look Now, Images, Amer - notice that most of them are borderline horror films), but for the most part, horror films are - just like Marvel films - kiddy flicks. I mean, it's a taste you normally acquire at a young age and for good reasons: you can't learn much from quasi-fear as an adult unless you've lived in a shell. Horror have a lot to teach to kids (and young teens), just like the superficial moral tales that are superheroes stories, but after that...

Still, it's a genre I have a load of respect for because - contrarily to the Marvel stuff that's constrained by their huge budgets (and that might sound contradictory, but these budgets force the film-makers to think their product in money terms and not in creative terms, limiting the range of what they can do and forcing them into proven formulas) - horror films can go in all directions and stretch what is acceptable in terms of content and form. It produces a lot of crap - worse crap than Thor 2 and Ant-Man by far - but it also produces some unexpected gems, and has seen marvelous artists rise through sometimes questionable material. Movies like Hellraiser, Cannibal Holocaust, or Last House on the Left (and so many more) might be immensely flawed at some levels, but offer a lot more to process than the usual blockbusters.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

There certainly are a few great horror films (The Shining of course, but also stuff like Antichrist, Don't Look Now, Images, Amer - notice that most of them are borderline horror films), but for the most part, horror films are - just like Marvel films - kiddy flicks. I mean, it's a taste you normally acquire at a young age and for good reasons: you can't learn much from quasi-fear as an adult unless you've lived in a shell. Horror have a lot to teach to kids (and young teens), just like the superficial moral tales that are superheroes stories, but after that...

Still, it's a genre I have a load of respect for because - contrarily to the Marvel stuff that's constrained by their huge budgets (and that might sound contradictory, but these budgets force the film-makers to think their product in money terms and not in creative terms, limiting the range of what they can do and forcing them into proven formulas) - horror films can go in all directions and stretch what is acceptable in terms of content and form. It produces a lot of crap - worse crap than Thor 2 and Ant-Man by far - but it also produces some unexpected gems, and has seen marvelous artists rise through sometimes questionable material. Movies like Hellraiser, Cannibal Holocaust, or Amityville II (and so many more) might be immensely flawed at some levels, but offer a lot more to process than the usual blockbusters.

Woah woah woah… you had my attention until you said Ant-Man was crap. How dare you insult Paul Rudd like that!

 

[Trap Jesus]

Cannibal Holocaust

This is a movie I'll never see just out of principle. It's not even a shock thing like I'd be too disgusted to see it, it's just about not supporting it in any way.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Woah woah woah… you had my attention until you said Ant-Man was crap. How dare you insult Paul Rudd like that!

Since Friends I've disliked him, but I just binged Living With Yourself and I liked it a lot. It's kind of like a soft existentialist The 6th Day.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Since Friends I've disliked him, but I just binged Living With Yourself and I liked it a lot. It's kind of like a soft existentialist The 6th Day.

Why did that make you dislike him?

I also watched Living With Yourself and liked it a lot as well!

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

This is a movie I'll never see just out of principle. It's not even a shock thing like I'd be too disgusted to see it, it's just about not supporting it in any way.

Because of the turtle? Yeah that was dumb. Other times I guess, today that wouldn't pass. Still, it's an amazing film - I don't think its play on images/reality (and saddly, the animal cruelty adds to it) has been equaled.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Because of the turtle? Yeah that was dumb. Other times I guess, today that wouldn't pass. Still, it's an amazing film - I don't think its play on images/reality (and saddly, the animal cruelty adds to it) has been equaled.

They killed I think 7 animals overall. And in one shot they didn't get it right so they killed two animals for one scene.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Why did that make you dislike him?

I also watched Living With Yourself and liked it a lot as well!

Ahahah, no real good reasons, but: 1) because his character was dull, 2) he didn't fit with Phoebe at all (who was my favorite character), and 3) she should have ended up with David! So yeah, f*** Ant-Man.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

They killed I think 7 animals overall. And in one shot they didn't get it right so they killed two animals for one scene.

Yeah that's infuriating, can't justify that.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Yeah that's infuriating, can't justify that.

Yeah, it's just completely irredeemable IMO. I'm sure the movie is everything people say it is, but at the end of the day I don't care.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Yeah, it's just completely irredeemable IMO. I'm sure the movie is everything people say it is, but at the end of the day I don't care.

I don't think I should tell you this, but I showed it in class when I was teaching horror cinema... I had two students leaving the classroom to puke, and one salty complaint at the department. I guess you would have wrecked my car too.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Ahahah, no real good reasons, but: 1) because his character was dull, 2) he didn't fit with Phoebe at all (who was my favorite character), and 3) she should have ended up with David! So yeah, **** Ant-Man.

But it's not because you hate the show, right? I thought that was where this was going, and we were then going to have issues..

 

[Trap Jesus]

I don't think I should tell you this, but I showed it in class when I was teaching horror cinema... I had two students leaving the classroom to puke, and one salty complaint at the department. I guess you would have wrecked my car too.

Haha oh wow. Yeah, that's a tough one to show regardless of knowing the controversy about the filming of it. Somebody wrecked your car over it? Lol I wouldn't have done that, I just would've walked out.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

But it's not because you hate the show, right? I thought that was where this was going, and we were then going to have issues..

I have a love/hate relationship with Friends (and Joey - not a lot of people enjoyed the spinoff, but I think it's often even funnier than the original show). You see, my gf is such a huge fan that I must have seen everything like 200 times. Some of the comedy in it is purely brilliant because it still works, but man am I tired to wake up in the middle of the night to her giggling at Ross' antics...

Haha oh wow. Yeah, that's a tough one to show regardless of knowing the controversy about the filming of it. Somebody wrecked your car over it? Lol I wouldn't have done that, I just would've walked out.

No, no, nobody wrecked my car, I was suggesting that you would have, had you been there. And I knew of the controversies (there's more to it than the animal cruelty) that surrounded the film, it's just a perfect film to take on certain elements of postmodernity.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

I have a love/hate relationship with Friends (and Joey - not a lot of people enjoyed the spinoff, but I think it's often even funnier than the original show). You see, my gf is such a huge fan that I must have seen everything like 200 times. Some of the comedy in it is purely brilliant because it still works, but man am I tired to wake up in the middle of the night to her giggling at Ross' antics...

I honestly had zero idea of the spin-off. That is news to me.

That said, I'm 100% with you regarding seeing everything 200 times because of my wife. I feel like I watch the Ross / Rachel "break" scene like every other night. But that said, I really do like the show, and it's nice to turn on when nothing else is on. ​

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I honestly had zero idea of the spin-off. That is news to me.

You do as I did and you buy Season 1 of Joey as a present to the wifey. It's like new episodes - just a little more cartoonish, but often really funny.

 

[Osprey]

I now watch more "real" cinema than ever before in my life. And you know why? Because of Marvel films. I started to get more interest in them, and then my whole interest in cinema expanded as a result. I still love Marvel films, and I now also get to enjoy "real" cinema as well.

"I now read more *real* literature than ever before in my life. And you know why? Because of comic books. I still love comic books, but now I enjoy 19th century Russian literature, as well."

(I'm teasing)

 

[Shareefruck]

Well, I find myself on a hockey board discussing films with people who have a vast knowledge of films I don't know of and who challenge each other to watch and review artsy flicks... On my first HFBoards existence, 10 years ago and under a different alias [edit: it was more than 10 years ago, Kovalchuk was playing for the Thrashers], these discussions included a total of 3 members, and the other 2 were just beginning to get somewhat interested in artsy stuff. I have no idea how the festival turnups look like, but I feel there's no shortage of interest - and where there's interest, there's ways to find everything.

To me, that's still an improved accessibility thing you're bringing up that I would still consider off in the fringes/relegated to collectors and enthusiasts (even HFBoards in general qualifies as a pretty niche/eccentric, drop-in-the-bucket thing, IMO). I agree that the fringes are easier to navigate and more accessible than ever due to technology-- and that that's been kind of an equalizer that has made up for the initial concern. My point was more that there used to be more examples of artistically interesting things being able to infiltrate/blur together with the mainstream and influence casual audiences into becoming aware of or interested in those sensibilities in the first place.

There seem to be fewer artistically interesting things that make it as household names that get inescapably talked about by everyone and that get backed by big companies, would be my observation. And I think the suggestion that it's in part due to the blockbuster machinery becoming progressively more shamelessly efficient/monopoly-like in how much prime cultural real estate it takes up is a pretty valid and relevant viewpoint, in my mind.

Ultimately, I don't entirely buy the sentiment (not yours, of course) that it's a completely unaffecting non-issue that's just old men screaming at clouds (which is the impression I get sometimes when I hear people respond to the idea)-- we've likely just been fortunate that advancements in technology happen to have cushioned the blow as much as it has.

 

[Osprey]

Yeah, it's just completely irredeemable IMO. I'm sure the movie is everything people say it is, but at the end of the day I don't care.

"Everything people say it is" is not something that I thought I would ever hear about Cannibal Holocaust . Now, if we were talking about Apocalypse Now, I could understand it. A water buffalo was slaughtered in that film, but, interestingly, you never hear anything about that while Cannibal Holocaust is routinely condemned for its killings. I guess that great films are judged differently than not-so-great films.

 

[Trap Jesus]

"Everything people say it is" is not something that I thought I would ever hear about Cannibal Holocaust . Now, if we were talking about Apocalypse Now, I could understand it. A water buffalo was slaughtered in that film, but, interestingly, you never hear anything about that while Cannibal Holocaust is routinely condemned for its killings. I guess that great films are judged differently than not-so-great films.

I feel like you always hear Cannibal Holocaust mentioned as kind of like a watershed horror movie. A lot of that is the controversy, but still, it's one of those movies that is really split for critical response, and a ton of people hold it in extremely high regard.

I'm aware of Apocalypse Now and haven't seen that either. I never saw it because I'm usually not a fan of war movies anyways (I'm aware it's not a typical war movie), but this is just another reason not to. But it's definitely a double standard.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

The weirdest thing about Cannibal Holocaust to me is how boring it is more most of the movie given its notorious reputation. When it gets graphic, it is (unfortunately) quite memorable, but there's a shocking amount of down time. Saw it once. Never ever need to see it again and wouldn't really even recommend it to anyone. It's given my friends and I one long-running inside joke though by imitating its key one-note musical cue. So I guess I got that going for me.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

Finally saw Parasite and it lived up to every bit of hype. Other than getting a general sense that it's pretty widely loved, I'd managed to avoid any details about the plot so everything unfolded fresh for me, which is the ideal way to discover it. Honestly that's the best way to discover most movies, but really, especially so here. I don't know how Bong Joon Ho conceives this stuff and I sure as hell don't know how he manages to never waver on tone, but damn if he does it. Darkly funny, socially sharp and pretty damn tense to boot.

 

[Shareefruck]

"Everything people say it is" is not something that I thought I would ever hear about Cannibal Holocaust . Now, if we were talking about Apocalypse Now, I could understand it. A water buffalo was slaughtered in that film, but, interestingly, you never hear anything about that while Cannibal Holocaust is routinely condemned for its killings. I guess that great films are judged differently than not-so-great films.

This intrigued me and a quick Google search returned this:

It really happened:

The animal (a water buffalo, or carabao) was killed - but not for the film. The tribe in the film was a real indigenous tribe that lived in the area, and they had already decided to slaughter it. Coppola merely decided to film the event.

The buffalo was already marked for ritual sacrifice by the indigenous tribe cast as the disciples of Brando’s gone-native Colonel Kurtz, and the argument was that it would have been hacked to death whether or not the cameras were rolling.
- AV Club​

It still had consequences for the film:

Because of this scene, the film was not given the familiar "No animals were harmed in the making of this film" credit.

The sacrifice of a carabao, which takes place during the Kurtz episode, was "a real ritual slaughter performed by the Ifugaos." As a result, Apoca- lypse Now is one of the few mainstream Hollywood films not to carry a statement in the closing credits that no animal was harmed during the making of the picture.
- Godfather: The Intimate Francis Ford Coppola, by Gene D. Phillips
​

The American Humane Association has added Apocalypse Now to its list of "Unacceptable" films.

Featured Animal Action
Apocalypse Now was filmed in the Philippines in 1979. According to AHA's research, a water buffalo was hacked to pieces during the making of the film, earning the film an Unacceptable rating from AHA.
- AHA​

The cow in Apocalypse Now

After his wife, Eleanor, a documentary filmmaker, captured the locals' first water buffalo sacrifice, he decided to film the second, equally bloody and brutal slaughter for the final scenes of "Apocalypse Now."

"I did not direct it or anything, that was the way they do it," said Coppola, noting that he refused an offer to keep an extra water buffalo on standby if the first shoot didn't go to plan. "I'm not going to kill an animal for a movie; I'm not going to kill anything for any reason."

'Apocalypse Now’: Coppola defends killing live water buffalo for film

Changes that sentiment at least somewhat, I think (although I'm not too familiar with the circumstances in Cannibal Holocaust, the reputation is of something much less defensible, right?).

 

[tealhockey]

The Irishman: B+, maybe A-
Really long but well done overall. If you're looking for a mob movie it'll hit the spot but maybe not in the ways you'd expect